American Small Businesses are the job creators.

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American Small Businesses are the job creators. Not the GOP Fat Cat Friends.

1. What is a small business?
Frequently Asked Questions

The Offce of Advocacy defines a small business as an independent business having fewer than 500 employees. (The definition of "small business" used in government programs and contracting varies by industry; see www.sba.gov/size.)


the president said, “keep in mind that what we've proposed is to extend the Bush tax cuts for all income up to $250,000…If you're making $300,000, you'd still get a tax break on the first $250,000 worth of income. You'd pay a slightly higher rate on the $50,000 above that.”‪

He said “the reason I think it's important for us to do this is not because I'm not sympathetic to small businesses. It has to do with the fact that … 98 percent of small businesses actually have a profit of less than $250,000.”‪

- Republican Small Businessman Chats Tax Cuts With President In Iowa Backyard - Political Punch

Is Obama selling out?

 

[loosecannon]

both parties are shit. Both parties grow the public sector at the cost of the private sector.

OMG! We have a winner!

 

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both parties are shit. Both parties grow the public sector at the cost of the private sector.

OMG! We have a winner!

omfg! we have a two-fer 2 losers in one.

 

[loosecannon]

Taxes punish people for working. I don't disagree that people should pay taxes - and yes, they are a duty. But... that does not change the fact that they are a punishment on those who work - and God forbid one should ever become wealthy! People like you will want to take it away to give to some 'poor' person.

I work with economists every day of the week. Every one of them agrees that cutting taxes creates jobs. It is politicians that disagree - and personally, I tend to go with what Economists say over what politicians say. Economists did not run the economy into the ground - the fucking politicians did that, along with the fucking bankers, with a good deal of help from ordinary Americans who lived beyond their means. For YEARS before the collapse, Economists had been telling governments around the world that it was coming. They were talking about a 'perfect storm'. I know, I wrote about it. It was fucking stupid politicians etc who ignored the warnings.

...and the economists who exist to support the mantra of politicians. As a rule economists and historians have always provided their service to the rich in exchange for material support from their sponsors.

While your points are good, really taxes are bad but as long as we run up public debt we have to pay it anyway.

And taxes do get recycled right back into the economy so the negative effects are quite small.

And in our case government provides far, far more services than what they charge us, which is why we are phenomenally rich while most of the world ISN'T.

Our taxes are a tremendous bargain. If you don't think so, move to Haiti and thrive by your own efforts and skills.

If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere!

 

[Revere]

Taxes punish people for working. I don't disagree that people should pay taxes - and yes, they are a duty. But... that does not change the fact that they are a punishment on those who work - and God forbid one should ever become wealthy! People like you will want to take it away to give to some 'poor' person.

I work with economists every day of the week. Every one of them agrees that cutting taxes creates jobs. It is politicians that disagree - and personally, I tend to go with what Economists say over what politicians say. Economists did not run the economy into the ground - the fucking politicians did that, along with the fucking bankers, with a good deal of help from ordinary Americans who lived beyond their means. For YEARS before the collapse, Economists had been telling governments around the world that it was coming. They were talking about a 'perfect storm'. I know, I wrote about it. It was fucking stupid politicians etc who ignored the warnings.

...and the economists who exist to support the mantra of politicians. As a rule economists and historians have always provided their service to the rich in exchange for material support from their sponsors.

While your points are good, really taxes are bad but as long as we run up public debt we have to pay it anyway.

And taxes do get recycled right back into the economy so the negative effects are quite small.

And in our case government provides far, far more services than what they charge us, which is why we are phenomenally rich while most of the world ISN'T.

Our taxes are a tremendous bargain. If you don't think so, move to Haiti and thrive by your own efforts and skills.

If you can make it there, you can make it anywhere!

That's pure crap. There are fewer and fewer people in the private sector carrying more and more government on their backs.

In Haiti, the government controls everything.

 

[Revere]

Taxes punish people for working.

trust funds and investments are NOT working people. wealthiest Americans are working people? I don't know. You'll have to make that case. It's not a given.

just thought you'd like to know

You know why I never bother discussing anything with you? Because instead of having a discussion, you resort to stupid shit and petty silliness. I pretty much ignore you for that reason. On this occasion, I figured I'd give it a shot because I thought you might be rational enough to have an intelligent discussion. I was wrong.

Carry on. You bore me.

You can't work outside your self-important box, ass hole.

 

[loosecannon]

That's pure crap. There are fewer and fewer people in the private sector carrying more and more government on their backs.

In Haiti, the government controls everything.

yes that was pure crap. In Haiti there is no government and they don't even have a military.

And so friggin what if there are fewer [people carrying more of the weight? They have the lowest tax rates since the civil war and are wealthier than they have ever been in all of history.

If we seized 90% of the wealth of every person in the top 2% according to wealth they would still be fabulously rich, far more than they could possibly have deserved to be by both historic and global standards.

It simply isn't possible to over tax the rich. Almost everything they have is unearned. It's the surplus of society itself accumulated under their stewardship.

 

[loosecannon]

trust funds and investments are NOT working people. wealthiest Americans are working people? I don't know. You'll have to make that case. It's not a given.

just thought you'd like to know

You know why I never bother discussing anything with you? Because instead of having a discussion, you resort to stupid shit and petty silliness. I pretty much ignore you for that reason. On this occasion, I figured I'd give it a shot because I thought you might be rational enough to have an intelligent discussion. I was wrong.

Carry on. You bore me.

You can't work outside your self-important box, ass hole.

fart me a river.

 

[Revere]

That's pure crap. There are fewer and fewer people in the private sector carrying more and more government on their backs.

In Haiti, the government controls everything.

yes that was pure crap. In Haiti there is no government and they don't even have a military.

And so friggin what if there are fewer [people carrying more of the weight? They have the lowest tax rates since the civil war and are wealthier than they have ever been in all of history.

If we seized 90% of the wealth of every person in the top 2% according to wealth they would still be fabulously rich, far more than they could possibly have deserved to be by both historic and global standards.

It simply isn't possible to over tax the rich. Almost everything they have is unearned. It's the surplus of society itself accumulated under their stewardship.

Nobody paid 90% tax rates when they were in effect. You had to earn the equivalent of about $3,000,000 a year in 2010 dollars.

If 90% tax rates were applied to the the top tax bracket, which is about $350,000, the wealth would be sucked out of this country.
At

 

[loosecannon]

Or the deficit would be zero.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Obamanomics has been exposed as an EPIC FAIL.

 

[loosecannon]

Obamanomics has been exposed as an EPIC FAIL.

so has bushanomics.

 

[Revere]

Or the deficit would be zero.

Only if the bottom 48% started paying taxes again, because the rest of the wealth would be gone.

 

[loosecannon]

No it wouldn't be gone. It would be recovered and fed back into the general economy.

It would be far less "gone" than it is now.

You can make all of the money you want, but you can't keep it. Spend it or lose it.

 

[Revere]

No it wouldn't be gone. It would be recovered and fed back into the general economy.

It would be far less "gone" than it is now.

You can make all of the money you want, but you can't keep it. Spend it or lose it.

Nobody in the top income bracket would live in this country under those circumstances, unless you strung barbed wire around the borders to keep people in.

Asshole.

 

[daveman]

American Small Businesses are the job creators. Not the GOP Fat Cat Friends.

I believe you meant to say, "...not the government."

 

[daveman]

What is Obama's competence at targeting specific industries and giving them very narrow parameters within which he will subsidize them?

It's a simple equation.

"Democratic special interest group = subsidy. Anyone else = tighter regulation and punitive taxation."

 

[daveman]

Taxes punish people for working.

trust funds and investments are NOT working people. wealthiest Americans are working people? I don't know. You'll have to make that case. It's not a given.

just thought you'd like to know

Investments allow business to expand, creating more jobs. I'm embarrassed for you that you don't know this.

 

[loosecannon]

No it wouldn't be gone. It would be recovered and fed back into the general economy.

It would be far less "gone" than it is now.

You can make all of the money you want, but you can't keep it. Spend it or lose it.

Nobody in the top income bracket would live in this country under those circumstances, unless you strung barbed wire around the borders to keep people in.

Asshole.

LMAO!!!! They would be better off in Mexico? Yemen? Dubai? Brazil? China?

You are such a crazy fool that I almost like you. But not quite.

 

[loosecannon]

Taxes punish people for working.

trust funds and investments are NOT working people. wealthiest Americans are working people? I don't know. You'll have to make that case. It's not a given.

just thought you'd like to know

Investments allow business to expand, creating more jobs. I'm embarrassed for you that you don't know this.

I am embarrassed for you that you can post such ignoramical shit.

If you had said "spooge monster vacations in spider village nest eating baby loons" You would be more credible.