American Nazis: A Primer

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I have frequently challenged those who have been brainwashed with the “Nazis are left wing” meme to visit some real Nazis on Stormfront for a while. None have ever taken me up on it.

But for those who are curious about Nazis and might like to visit them, here are a few things you need to know to better understand them. This will save you some time and embarrassment. Like all societies, they have their own language and neologism.

It has been awhile since I have dealt directly with Nazis online or in real life, so some of the rules and operating procedures of the Stormfront forum may be different than my last visit.

First, if you are opposed to Nazis, then you are an “anti”. Antis are forbidden to post wherever they choose. They are relegated to one subforum. You can read the other forums, but cannot post there. But don’t worry. Plenty of them will flock to you to pick you apart in the anti forum.

There is also a beginning period where every post you make has to be reviewed by an Admin before it will appear on the forum. This is extremely annoying, especially if several Nazis are piling on in a topic and you cannot reply instantly.

After about 50 posts, you can make an appeal to have this handicap removed. If you have behaved yourself, some Nazis will even vouch for you.

But you will always be restricted to the anti forum. Sorry, if you are wishing to wax on about the beauty of the Aryan race in the poetry section, you will just have to miss out. But you can read it, and that shit is some really funny stuff. I recommended taking a peek.

All right. Moving on.

Anyone who is not white is a mud person. However, there is a pecking order. Nazis hate some mud people more than others. Jews are at the top of the hate list, of course, although negroes are for others. Asians are disliked, but not hated anywhere near as much as negroes, Jews, and Hispanics.

Speaking of Jews, Nazis hate Jews. That goes without saying. However, many of them actually admire (are jealous of) Israel because Israel is a Jewish State. And the Nazis are all about each race getting their own racially pure states.

Which is why you will hear them refer to themselves as “White Nationalists”. The Nazis never call themselves Nazis. There are many reasons for this, but mostly having to do with the fact that Stormfront is an international forum and the use of “Nazi” is not allowed in some countries. The guy you are talking to may have a gigantic Nazi tattoo, but he will deny being a Nazi. It’s complicated.

Some will deny they are Nazis, but they will go on and on about how great a guy Hitler was, and they will deny the Holocaust. And the color scheme of the forum is right out of Hitler’s playbook. The avatars some choose are also obvious.

And then there are the puerile little things they do which they think are clever. Like “88” tattoos, for example. The letter H is the eighth letter of the alphabet, see. HH, get it? 88 = Heil Hitler.

Some also like to wear black combat boots with red laces. And listen to specific hard metal bands rife with Nazi symbolism.

Another favorite is the expression “Fourteen Words”: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children."

So, yeah. They’re Nazis. And they are more than happy to tell you about National
Socialism. A strong centralized government is not exclusive to the extremes of the left.

Well, some of them are smart enough to explain National Socialism. The vast majority are dumb as rocks, but there are a few clever ones. Don’t underestimate them.

But most of the topics are the same, year after year. The low scores black get on IQ tests; communism was invented by Jews; the correlation between the percentage of blacks and the crime rate; name two black countries which aren’t a total clusterfuck (hint: they used to ask for just one! :lol: ). And so forth and so on.

And of course, every media report of a non-white behaving badly is fed into their gigantic Confirmation Bias Machine.

I recommend informing yourself about the Frankfurt School’s brand of Marxism. This is where they will try to pigeonhole you if you claim to be a conservative.

The Nazi rhetoric about the Frankfurt School has leaked into the modern right wing conservative rhetoric many times in recent years. You have heard the battle against the left wing's "cultural marxism" which was born in the Frankfurt School watered down into a “culture war”. In the "culture war", you're either fer us or agin us.

If you hang around Nazis long enough, you will hear jackboots in your head day and night. But it is worth it. Because you will acquire a Nazi detector that will be very reliable. And you will be amazed at how much of their rhetoric is bleeding over into modern day right wing rhetoric. It will astonish you.

If you are a conservative (as I am), and make a case that you are right wing, the Nazis will quickly correct you. THEY are the true right wingers. YOU are a “cultural Marxist” because you believe in the equality of all races. They will find evidence to disprove any current right wing hero is right wing. Sarah Palin? Not a real right winger. Fox News? No effing way they are conservative.

See, when you are that far right, everyone else looks like a left winger.

The longer you spend there, the more they will make guesses at your ethnicity. You will be called a Jew AND a black at least ten times in a month.

They call themselves “WNs”. White Nationalists. They want a White Nation. Several, actually. North America and Europe, at the very least.

There are several flavors of WN.

One type of WN cannot wait for RAHOWA. Racial Holy War. The forum admins are very careful about allowing open talk about racial holy war. They also strictly forbid any discussion of a religious nature. But there are some Christian Identity types in this crowd. The RAHOWA types can’t wait to start shooting mud people.

Oh, the WNs loooooooove their guns. There’s a whole section just for showing them off and talking about all the weapons they claim to possess.

Another type of WN is one which believes all the white race traitors are going to wake up any day now and realize it is high time to start cleaning up America and toss out these cursed mud people. They though the election of Obama would do the trick. Since every black run city in America is a disaster, Obama would do the same to America and all us white people would finally rise up and make this country a White Nation.

These are the optimistic WNs.

The pessimistic WNs believe the white race is doomed. We’re done for. The mud people are going to wipe us out by attrition. Breeding like rabbits while we just roll over and make ourselves extinct.

The admins keep a very tight lid on violent language. They are paranoid, maybe justifiably so, they are always being watched by the government and that the government is just looking for an excuse to shut them down.

As a result, the WNs have learned to communicate hate and violence without being overt about it. But they are seething with it. You will pick that up very quickly.

No name calling is allowed. They especially monitor “antis” very closely. The debate field is extremely unlevel. You are not allowed to lose your temper or call anyone names. You must remain level-headed at all times, and this is the most valuable thing you will gain from visiting there.

If you defeat them repeatedly in debate, they will become very upset and work very hard to get you booted off the forum.

A favorite tactic of WNs is to plagiarize the crap out of another web site and post the text as their own original thoughts. They also like to change some of the words in the original text in order to make it fit into their twisted belief system.

If you do register on Stormfront, don’t use a username you use anywhere else. This is common sense, but sometimes you have to state the obvious to the oblivious.

So there you go! Enjoy your visit. It is an educational experience.
 
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Ah. I forgot to mention a couple other things.

As I said, the Nazis want their own racially pure nation. But how would they go about making America a White Nation?

Well, they can't just come right out and say they would exterminate all the mud people. The Admins won't allow that. Paranoia. Inciting racial violence, and all that.

But that is what some would do if they had their druthers. Just kill 'em all. RAHOWA!

Others believe the mud people should be offerred a cash incentive to leave the country and set up their own Black Nations, and Brown Nations, and so forth. Then all the racially separate nations would live on the globe in harmony. Kumbaya!

Of course, they really believe the mud people's nations would quickly collapse into chaos and wipe themselves out. Then we would have one big happy White World.


If the mud people politely declined the cash offer to leave, they would have their property seized and then be forced to leave anyway.

Some Nazis actually believe the day is coming when all us white people in America will rise up and kick out all the mud people.

Some were actually tickled pink when Obama was elected. We were finally going to see just how fucked up black people really are. Obama would be like a bucket of cold water that would wake us up and cause us to kick them all out, or kill them all.
 
A rare long post that I actually read all of. I may check that place out some time if I feel the whim but I'm sure it would just bring down my mood.

Good to know about 88. A former coworker's husband had an 8 ball with 88 on it in place of the 8. I wonder...
 
A strong centralized government is not exclusive to the extremes of the left.

Agreed.

For that very reason, I don't attempt to categorize Nazis as 'right' or 'left'. They're HUGE central planners and that's all I need to know to stand against them.

Statism, Fascism, Communism, Socialism, give it whatever name you like. We've got to stop heading in that direction, 'cuz big government ain't right!
 
Hmmm.. sounds like centralized power authoritarian to me.. with just as much if not more of a broad hate focus as the National Socialists in Germany (the original nazis)... BUT, that does not make the old Nazi party any less authoritarian or any less left in it's idea of how the government was to be run. even if YOU don't think that the modern far left has anything to do with racism, or whatever other hate ism you wish to list..

As stated so many times, you have a Genghis Khan for an extreme authoritarian right model, and you have a Stalin as an extreme authoritarian left model and you have a Hitler and the Nazi party as another flavor of authoritarian left.. socialism for everybody but the socialists in charge and their money supporters..

Sorry that you just do not see it... and sorry you do not understand that every authoritarian socialist is not going to be a carbon copy.. and not every modern group who uses the Nazi term for shock value is going to perfectly mimic germany's national socialism at the time
 
I have frequently challenged those who have been brainwashed with the “Nazis are left wing” meme to visit some real Nazis on Stormfront for a while. None have ever taken me up on it.

But for those who are curious about Nazis and might like to visit them, here are a few things you need to know to better understand them. This will save you some time and embarrassment. Like all societies, they have their own language and neologism.

It has been awhile since I have dealt directly with Nazis online or in real life, so some of the rules and operating procedures of the Stormfront forum may be different than my last visit.

First, if you are opposed to Nazis, then you are an “anti”. Antis are forbidden to post wherever they choose. They are relegated to one subforum. You can read the other forums, but cannot post there. But don’t worry. Plenty of them will flock to you to pick you apart in the anti forum.

There is also a beginning period where every post you make has to be reviewed by an Admin before it will appear on the forum. This is extremely annoying, especially if several Nazis are piling on in a topic and you cannot reply instantly.

After about 50 posts, you can make an appeal to have this handicap removed. If you have behaved yourself, some Nazis will even vouch for you.

But you will always be restricted to the anti forum. Sorry, if you are wishing to wax on about the beauty of the Aryan race in the poetry section, you will just have to miss out. But you can read it, and that shit is some really funny stuff. I recommended taking a peek.

All right. Moving on.

Anyone who is not white is a mud person. However, there is a pecking order. Nazis hate some mud people more than others. Jews are at the top of the hate list, of course, although negroes are for others. Asians are disliked, but not hated anywhere near as much as negroes, Jews, and Hispanics.

Speaking of Jews, Nazis hate Jews. That goes without saying. However, many of them actually admire (are jealous of) Israel because Israel is a Jewish State. And the Nazis are all about each race getting their own racially pure states.

Which is why you will hear them refer to themselves as “White Nationalists”. The Nazis never call themselves Nazis. There are many reasons for this, but mostly having to do with the fact that Stormfront is an international forum and the use of “Nazi” is not allowed in some countries. The guy you are talking to may have a gigantic Nazi tattoo, but he will deny being a Nazi. It’s complicated.

Some will deny they are Nazis, but they will go on and on about how great a guy Hitler was, and they will deny the Holocaust. And the color scheme of the forum is right out of Hitler’s playbook. The avatars some choose are also obvious.

And then there are the puerile little things they do which they think are clever. Like “88” tattoos, for example. The letter H is the eighth letter of the alphabet, see. HH, get it? 88 = Heil Hitler.

Some also like to wear black combat boots with red laces. And listen to specific hard metal bands rife with Nazi symbolism.

Another favorite is the expression “Fourteen Words”: "We must secure the existence of our people and a future for White Children."

So, yeah. They’re Nazis. And they are more than happy to tell you about National
Socialism. A strong centralized government is not exclusive to the extremes of the left.

Well, some of them are smart enough to explain National Socialism. The vast majority are dumb as rocks, but there are a few clever ones. Don’t underestimate them.

But most of the topics are the same, year after year. The low scores black get on IQ tests; communism was invented by Jews; the correlation between the percentage of blacks and the crime rate; name two black countries which aren’t a total clusterfuck (hint: they used to ask for just one! :lol: ). And so forth and so on.

And of course, every media report of a non-white behaving badly is fed into their gigantic Confirmation Bias Machine.

I recommend informing yourself about the Frankfurt School’s brand of Marxism. This is where they will try to pigeonhole you if you claim to be a conservative.

The Nazi rhetoric about the Frankfurt School has leaked into the modern right wing conservative rhetoric many times in recent years. You have heard the battle against the left wing's "cultural marxism" which was born in the Frankfurt School watered down into a “culture war”. In the "culture war", you're either fer us or agin us.

If you hang around Nazis long enough, you will hear jackboots in your head day and night. But it is worth it. Because you will acquire a Nazi detector that will be very reliable. And you will be amazed at how much of their rhetoric is bleeding over into modern day right wing rhetoric. It will astonish you.

If you are a conservative (as I am), and make a case that you are right wing, the Nazis will quickly correct you. THEY are the true right wingers. YOU are a “cultural Marxist” because you believe in the equality of all races. They will find evidence to disprove any current right wing hero is right wing. Sarah Palin? Not a real right winger. Fox News? No effing way they are conservative.

See, when you are that far right, everyone else looks like a left winger.

The longer you spend there, the more they will make guesses at your ethnicity. You will be called a Jew AND a black at least ten times in a month.

They call themselves “WNs”. White Nationalists. They want a White Nation. Several, actually. North America and Europe, at the very least.

There are several flavors of WN.

One type of WN cannot wait for RAHOWA. Racial Holy War. The forum admins are very careful about allowing open talk about racial holy war. They also strictly forbid any discussion of a religious nature. But there are some Christian Identity types in this crowd. The RAHOWA types can’t wait to start shooting mud people.

Oh, the WNs loooooooove their guns. There’s a whole section just for showing them off and talking about all the weapons they claim to possess.

Another type of WN is one which believes all the white race traitors are going to wake up any day now and realize it is high time to start cleaning up America and toss out these cursed mud people. They though the election of Obama would do the trick. Since every black run city in America is a disaster, Obama would do the same to America and all us white people would finally rise up and make this country a White Nation.

These are the optimistic WNs.

The pessimistic WNs believe the white race is doomed. We’re done for. The mud people are going to wipe us out by attrition. Breeding like rabbits while we just roll over and make ourselves extinct.

The admins keep a very tight lid on violent language. They are paranoid, maybe justifiably so, they are always being watched by the government and that the government is just looking for an excuse to shut them down.

As a result, the WNs have learned to communicate hate and violence without being overt about it. But they are seething with it. You will pick that up very quickly.

No name calling is allowed. They especially monitor “antis” very closely. The debate field is extremely unlevel. You are not allowed to lose your temper or call anyone names. You must remain level-headed at all times, and this is the most valuable thing you will gain from visiting there.

If you defeat them repeatedly in debate, they will become very upset and work very hard to get you booted off the forum.

A favorite tactic of WNs is to plagiarize the crap out of another web site and post the text as their own original thoughts. They also like to change some of the words in the original text in order to make it fit into their twisted belief system.

If you do register on Stormfront, don’t use a username you use anywhere else. This is common sense, but sometimes you have to state the obvious to the oblivious.

So there you go! Enjoy your visit. It is an educational experience.

I honestly never thought about that before! NO WONDER anytime you take a swipe at right-wingers they think you're a "leftist." Because everyone else IS to the left of them! Brilliant. THAT explains a lot on forums like this when the haters and baiters come in full-flavor. They can all shove a 'D' cell battery up their ass and pretend they're the Energizer Bunny from now on. Most insightful post in the history of insightful posts!
 
A strong centralized government is not exclusive to the extremes of the left.

Agreed.

For that very reason, I don't attempt to categorize Nazis as 'right' or 'left'. They're HUGE central planners and that's all I need to know to stand against them.

Statism, Fascism, Communism, Socialism, give it whatever name you like. We've got to stop heading in that direction, 'cuz big government ain't right!

Damn! I still can't feature how you drive in those shoes!
 
I didn't give a single fuck before I will wasted my time reading the OP...and I still don't

... and Nazis are still a subspecies of left wing statism
 
A strong centralized government is not exclusive to the extremes of the left.

Agreed.

For that very reason, I don't attempt to categorize Nazis as 'right' or 'left'. They're HUGE central planners and that's all I need to know to stand against them.

Statism, Fascism, Communism, Socialism, give it whatever name you like. We've got to stop heading in that direction, 'cuz big government ain't right!

Damn! I still can't feature how you drive in those shoes!

It wasn't funny the first ten times.
 
A rare long post that I actually read all of. I may check that place out some time if I feel the whim but I'm sure it would just bring down my mood.

Good to know about 88. A former coworker's husband had an 8 ball with 88 on it in place of the 8. I wonder...

I thought most people knew that. It's right along there with the double lightning bolts... which stands for SS.
 
I didn't give a single fuck before I will wasted my time reading the OP...and I still don't

... and Nazis are still a subspecies of left wing statism

You're absolutely wrong on that, and are too dumb to realize it.

Please tell me how minority hating anti-cultural/racial mixing whites are of the left.
 
I didn't give a single fuck before I will wasted my time reading the OP...and I still don't

... and Nazis are still a subspecies of left wing statism

You're absolutely wrong on that, and are too dumb to realize it.

Please tell me how minority hating anti-cultural/racial mixing whites are of the left.

And you tell me how government controlled and over regulating industry is on the right??

Don't think that many of the 'accept me' 'treat me equal' crowd are not just as racist as others... the selective equality crowd has just as much social hate as the intolerant crowd
 
I visited the board against my own advice. I am always nervous I will be put on a government watch list just for visiting. Half the people there deserve to be on one.

I find the topics discussed there especially telling. Anti-Obama, anti-Bloomberg, anti-immigration, anti-Islam, pro-gun, anti-Obamacare. Aside from being anti-Israel, the views expressed almost directly mirror some of our right wing posters at USMB. Visit the race relations board on USMB, and you would think you stumbled onto Stormfront.
 
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You have to be literally deaf, dumb, and blind to think Nazis are left wing.
 
Hmmm.. sounds like centralized power authoritarian to me.. with just as much if not more of a broad hate focus as the National Socialists in Germany (the original nazis)... BUT, that does not make the old Nazi party any less authoritarian or any less left in it's idea of how the government was to be run. even if YOU don't think that the modern far left has anything to do with racism, or whatever other hate ism you wish to list..

As stated so many times, you have a Genghis Khan for an extreme authoritarian right model, and you have a Stalin as an extreme authoritarian left model and you have a Hitler and the Nazi party as another flavor of authoritarian left.. socialism for everybody but the socialists in charge and their money supporters..

Sorry that you just do not see it... and sorry you do not understand that every authoritarian socialist is not going to be a carbon copy.. and not every modern group who uses the Nazi term for shock value is going to perfectly mimic germany's national socialism at the time

Sorry that you will not take the challenge and hang out on Stormfront for a while. You have been badly misled.
 
The 'right wing' are not Nazis, any more than the left are Nazis... unless you can provide hard evidence (by 'hard' I mean not a link to some airhead blog or any media outlet) that shows that either 'side' plan to exterminate a whole race of people.
 
Agreed.

For that very reason, I don't attempt to categorize Nazis as 'right' or 'left'. They're HUGE central planners and that's all I need to know to stand against them.

Statism, Fascism, Communism, Socialism, give it whatever name you like. We've got to stop heading in that direction, 'cuz big government ain't right!

Damn! I still can't feature how you drive in those shoes!

It wasn't funny the first ten times.

I'm serious. Can you?
 
I've started a few threads on here depicting Nazis as left-wingers, and I still believe they were even after reading your entire post. Hear me out for a second.

How was Nazi Germany's totalitarian dictatorship any different from the USSR's, for example? Or any other socialist country in our history for that matter. They all killed millions of innocent people, had centrally planned economies, and practically no private property rights for regular people.

You may argue that Nazis were extremely hateful towards certain people like homosexuals, and therefore they must be right wingers. But was the USSR very friendly towards gays? Did any other dictatorship in our history embrace homosexuality?

So what exactly makes one dictatorship fall on the left and another on the right, when they all accomplished (and did) the same exact things?

That's my main argument for placing Nazi Germany in the left-wing of the political spectrum.
 
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