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Umm, I don't like to argue without facts. How about you? But I DO NOT use others arguments for my own. ~voices~oxbow3 said:Katthianne, your the hardest one here to argue with because all you do is post links. You refuse to do your own arguing. When I have a few hours, I will go through the reams of info you've left me so far to sift through. Until then, take care.
oxbow3 said:Katthianne, your the hardest one here to argue with because all you do is post links. You refuse to do your own arguing. When I have a few hours, I will go through the reams of info you've left me so far to sift through. Until then, take care.
Considering how lame most of your arguments are, you should try to find more authorative means.oxbow3 said:My point is its easy to make time for your busy life when you never do your own arguing, leaving it to others to make your case. I use many facts, but I weave them into my own view on things, not depend on other people's words and websites. Try comparing your wordcount in the last week and mine, and then tell me how much more productive you are.
Kathianne said:Considering how lame most of your arguments are, you should try to find more authorative means.
Said1 said:Like the links you posted.
Yeah!
theim said:"Notice how the Iranians agreed to European diplomats requests to disarm their nuclear weapons program while ignoring the US's same demands."
Please tell me you are not so naive as to think the Iranians will actually listen to the Euros. Please. Do not make me lose all faith in human intellect.
Kathianne said:He's gone the way of the dodo bird.
What face does he have worth saving?Said1 said:THe jig is up for now. Unless he returns to save face. :rotflmao:
Kathianne said:What face does he have worth saving?
Ok, if he's cute we'll keep him around. Has to beat Comrade and SE though!Said1 said:Dunno. Maybe he'll produce a poloroid.
Kathianne said:Ok, if he's cute we'll keep him around. Has to beat Comrade and SE though!
Said1 said:Somehow I doubt he could beat many around here. However, if by chance that is the case, he can stay if he posts comments expressing our utter superiority over him. Requests for beatings and verbal abuse are ok too.
Kathianne said:Utter superiority! I like that! I'm into giving beatings and verbal abuse, so that is cool. LOL
Many times in the past we found it politically and economically expedient to support a dictator. We could just throw money at them. They loved it, of course. Now we realize that in a nuclear era, we cannot continue in this manner. We must defeat terrorism by eliminating the conditions that promote it, namely repression, tyrant controlled media, state sponsored terrorist incubators, etc.oxbow3 said:I was trying to explain why our enemies have such support in the muslim world. The US is not an evil empire, but it's foreign policy in the middle east has been contradictory and self-serving in many cases.
The people want freedom. They WANT elections.We can argue the reasons for this but it remains a fact that our image there sucks.
Their state controlled PR machines of antiwest propaganda are hard to compete with I guess.You will remember that we made a major PR effort to change our image in the muslim world after 9/11, but it was roundly deemed a disaster by all. IMO our image problem is because of our past and present politices, and all the positive PR in the world won't change that without some real shifts in policy to match.
No. You're just determined to rewrite history by distorting all contexts of our every action. Furthermore, you seem to think past mistakes should automatically prove we can't do better going forward. Or else you seem to think no OTHER countries are trying to spread their values around the globe. Wake up!You are thinking with your emotions, Avenger.
You seem to want to ignore what's happening in the world, The socialist europeans allying with fundamentalist islam, strictly out of envy of the united states. And again. The constant barrage of anti western state tv accounts for SOME of our bad image. I'm just sure of it.My point is not to badmouth anybody, but to show you how the US is perceived by others and why. It may not be a rational perspective, it may unevenly show the bad side of us, but there it is. It's a view that is only growing in the region, so we must deal with in a constructive matter by taking a serious look at our foreign policy and the rationale behind it.
Weapons could have been moved. That's just a fact. Biochem has been found. The british still stand behind the nigerian uranium story. Saddam hampered the efforts of inspectors. Connect the dots, son.I can't see this principle, Im sorry. If there were no WMD's and no threat to the international community from Iraq, then why should they have wanted to invade it? There are evil regimes too numerous to list in central america, africa, north korea and the middle east. Why would they want to invade this particularly weakened one, especially when the the IAEA reported the sanctions were working?
I would say the moral support is very important. Someone has to do the right thing. It's called morality. Look into it.And you think Bush has a P.R. problem? You denigrate the efforts of true allies. You're disgusting.
Read my comments again. 7/8 equals roughly 90% of the troops. I said that in comparison, the support offered by our allies is miniscule. Does 1/8 from the rest of the world really seem fair, and does it make that much of a difference? To me, it seems that having "a coalition" of this kind serves more of a psychological benefit a practical one. Is it 'denigrating' to say that the emperor has no clothes?
When was anyone training suicide bombers in Iraq before we came? Did you ever hear of terrorism in that area before us? Many terrorists flocked to Iraq after "the enemy" invaded from unguarded borders. The younger generation was created as a result of the invasion, both in Iraq and from other places. Please take a closer look at the article, as it does not support anything you just said. Your emotions are clouding your reason.
It is admirable to be passionate about one's views, but those views have to be grounded in reality, supported by facts and evidence. There is a world of difference between idealists and ideologues.
Thanks, buddy.You girls are the best!Said1 said:Like the links you posted.
rtwngAvngr said:Many times in the past we found it politically and economically expedient to support a dictator. We could just throw money at them. They loved it, of course. Now we realize that in a nuclear era, we cannot continue in this manner. We must defeat terrorism by eliminating the conditions that promote it, namely repression, tyrant controlled media, state sponsored terrorist incubators, etc.
Weapons could have been moved. That's just a fact. Biochem has been found. The british still stand behind the nigerian uranium story. Saddam hampered the efforts of inspectors. Connect the dots, son.
we supported dictators through the Cold War for realpolitik to try and put friendly governments everywhere even if they were dictators. I, for one, am glad that ICBMs were developed as it eliminated the benefit of fighting over these small power vacuums and now terrorism has rose from them instead.
As Biden said to Europe, "Get over it..." 9/11 changed it, no longer innocent until proven guilty on the international front.IControlThePast said:
Weapons could have been destroyed as well. It is not our job to prove there aren't weapons, you have to prove there are. Innocent until proven guilty. You can't say he's got the nukes and the like until you find them. Saddam may have just tried to provoke a war to create the current situation. Even the US admits he doesn't have WMDs and don't stand behind the Nigerian story. You need more than circumstantial evidence to prove a crime. America was built upon innocent until proven guilty, so don't be un-American.
IControlThePast said:
Weapons could have been destroyed as well. It is not our job to prove there aren't weapons, you have to prove there are. Innocent until proven guilty. You can't say he's got the nukes and the like until you find them. Saddam may have just tried to provoke a war to create the current situation. Even the US admits he doesn't have WMDs and don't stand behind the Nigerian story. You need more than circumstantial evidence to prove a crime. America was built upon innocent until proven guilty, so don't be un-American.
