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I disagree. I think God makes us what we are -- humans, with Dignity. No prison we do not make for ourselves can ever rob us of that.
But even if you are right, what is one person's misery compared to relief for All Humanity?
This really is a great philosophical question.
This really is a great philosophical question.
It sure is. Avatar has provoked some deep thought with this one.
If I could have aborted Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot etc. before they were born, I would have --even if the deal was I'd go to Hell for it. I cannot understand the selfishness that seems to underlie the replies of many others.
This really is a great philosophical question.
It sure is. Avatar has provoked some deep thought with this one.
If I could have aborted Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot etc. before they were born, I would have --even if the deal was I'd go to Hell for it. I cannot understand the selfishness that seems to underlie the replies of many others.
THAT was not the question. The question is would you endure slavery to eliminate evil in the world. Would you consign every person to that same slavery to eliminate evil in the world.
In that world there would be no hell as NO ONE would be free to chose not to be a follower of God. Everyone would be forced to believe in one God and no other. They would be forced to live by every edict he commanded. All without EVER having been free to make that choice for themselves.
I was thinking about good and evil and personal choice and I thought it would be an interesting question to ask you if you would give up your freedom to choose if it meant evil no longer existed?
It sure is. Avatar has provoked some deep thought with this one.
If I could have aborted Hitler or Stalin or Pol Pot etc. before they were born, I would have --even if the deal was I'd go to Hell for it. I cannot understand the selfishness that seems to underlie the replies of many others.
THAT was not the question. The question is would you endure slavery to eliminate evil in the world. Would you consign every person to that same slavery to eliminate evil in the world.
In that world there would be no hell as NO ONE would be free to chose not to be a follower of God. Everyone would be forced to believe in one God and no other. They would be forced to live by every edict he commanded. All without EVER having been free to make that choice for themselves.
Well, given what the penalty is for choosing "poorly", The end result is the same in either case. Unless you make the "right" choice.
I was thinking about good and evil and personal choice and I thought it would be an interesting question to ask you if you would give up your freedom to choose if it meant evil no longer existed?
RetiredGySgt, you are wrong. Avatar's hypothetical provides that only one person goes into twilight having given up free will. The Rest of Humanity simply no longer is afflicted with evil. They still have free will...leading to the interesting question, how long before evil re-emerged? A nano-second? An eternity?
That is why I asked in an earlier post what becomes of the evil people in Avatar's hypothetical? Reformed or vaporized?
Personally I think at some point, redemption is no longer possible. Yet another reason I am not a christian.
The Bible is clear. ONLY those that CHOSE to be evil will be condemned.
That means the old argument about picking the one correct religion is not applicable.
So long as one is true and believes in God the man made church is irrelevant.
Those never taught the word will also be spared and given a chance to learn the true path.
The Bible is clear. ONLY those that CHOSE to be evil will be condemned.
The bible isn't clear on anything. Define "evil" in the biblical sense.
That means the old argument about picking the one correct religion is not applicable.
So I could pick wiccan and still be saved? How about atheism? Is the belief in no god a religion?
So long as one is true and believes in God the man made church is irrelevant.
Which god? There are so many. Akenaton only believed in one, is he saved?
Those never taught the word will also be spared and given a chance to learn the true path.
Why not just have appeared earlier and saved everyone the grief and trouble?
I was thinking about good and evil and personal choice and I thought it would be an interesting question to ask you if you would give up your freedom to choose if it meant evil no longer existed?
RetiredGySgt, you are wrong. Avatar's hypothetical provides that only one person goes into twilight having given up free will. The Rest of Humanity simply no longer is afflicted with evil. They still have free will...leading to the interesting question, how long before evil re-emerged? A nano-second? An eternity?
That is why I asked in an earlier post what becomes of the evil people in Avatar's hypothetical? Reformed or vaporized?
Personally I think at some point, redemption is no longer possible. Yet another reason I am not a christian.
That is NOT his question.
RetiredGySgt, you are wrong. Avatar's hypothetical provides that only one person goes into twilight having given up free will. The Rest of Humanity simply no longer is afflicted with evil. They still have free will...leading to the interesting question, how long before evil re-emerged? A nano-second? An eternity?
That is why I asked in an earlier post what becomes of the evil people in Avatar's hypothetical? Reformed or vaporized?
Personally I think at some point, redemption is no longer possible. Yet another reason I am not a christian.
That is NOT his question.
Okay, I'll bite. What do you think he asked, RetiredGySgt?
The Bible is clear. ONLY those that CHOSE to be evil will be condemned.
The bible isn't clear on anything. Define "evil" in the biblical sense.
So I could pick wiccan and still be saved? How about atheism? Is the belief in no god a religion?
Which god? There are so many. Akenaton only believed in one, is he saved?
Those never taught the word will also be spared and given a chance to learn the true path.
Why not just have appeared earlier and saved everyone the grief and trouble?
One must have a common starting point. The following is required to be saved.
A belief in Jehovah
A belief in Jesus as the son of Jehovah.
A belief that Jesus sacrificed himself to save all mankind.
A belief that if one asks for forgiveness in Jesus name one can be saved.
The bible isn't clear on anything. Define "evil" in the biblical sense.
So I could pick wiccan and still be saved? How about atheism? Is the belief in no god a religion?
Which god? There are so many. Akenaton only believed in one, is he saved?
Why not just have appeared earlier and saved everyone the grief and trouble?
One must have a common starting point. The following is required to be saved.
A belief in Jehovah
A belief in Jesus as the son of Jehovah.
A belief that Jesus sacrificed himself to save all mankind.
A belief that if one asks for forgiveness in Jesus name one can be saved.
http://www.usmessageboard.com/religion-and-ethics/119042-why-i-am-not-a-christian.html
Let's not hijack this excellent thread, folks. I'm sure Avatar would appreciate a discussion of the Op. You can debate the merits of christianity elsewhere.
I was thinking about good and evil and personal choice and I thought it would be an interesting question to ask you if you would give up your freedom to choose if it meant evil no longer existed?
I was thinking about good and evil and personal choice and I thought it would be an interesting question to ask you if you would give up your freedom to choose if it meant evil no longer existed?
I was thinking about good and evil and personal choice and I thought it would be an interesting question to ask you if you would give up your freedom to choose if it meant evil no longer existed?
While I believe the members of the Republican Party aren't necessarily evil, I believe that Party does "evil" in the name of "good".