All powerful BUT limited Federal Government

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  1. RetiredGySgt
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    That was the INTENT of the Founders and the PEOPLE of this Country. The Constitution is clear as are the DESIRES of those that drafted it and passed it. We have tons of material to support this reality. From the framers, From the people.

    The Bill of Rights was the will of the people to ENSURE a limit on the Federal Government. Even though the Founders pointed out that ONLY those powers SPECIFICALLY listed in the Constitution were granted to the Federal Government.

    There is no General welfare clause that grants any and all power to the Federal Government. If there were the 10th Amendment would be pointless as would the words of the people that WROTE and supported the Constitution. It simply grants the power to use taxes to the Federal Government when using the listed powers of the Federal Government.

    Anyone that claims otherwise is ignorant of the facts and history of this Country, the Bill of Rights, the intent of the framers and the Constitution itself.
     
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    Hamilton and Marshal changed that after Ratification. Funny how those so called principles those arguments were rooted in were not addresses in the Constitutional Convention. Why? It would not have Passed.
    The con:
    Enumerated Powers.
    General Welfare.
    Limits to the Power of Judicial Review.
    Commerce Clause.
     
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    To get a constitution a lot of compromises had to be done. But they included provisons to change the constitution because they recognized a changing world. What the founders wanted was a constitution that would grow with the country not one that was made in stone. That is what we have today, a constitution that has evolved and yes absorbed several areas that some states view as their own. But the founders creation has worked and evolved and survived through these few centuries. The states have an avenue to get those rights back and that is a constituional convention. None have tried it yet, why?
     
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    You really WANT a Constitutional Convention? You realize one can trash the old Constitution and create something completely different?

    The PROCESS for change to the current Constitution is NOT to simply claim 200 years later it does not mean what we know it meant but to CREATE and PASS an amendment to said Document. You want Social security and the US Fed to pay for welfare? CREATE AN AMENDMENT and PASS it. You want the Fed to run Medical for everyone? CREATE AND PASS AN AMENDMENT.
     
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    That is the key and that is the very process that has been thwarted by our power hungry government
     
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    The founding fathers had no concept of what government policies would be needed to run a 21st century economic and military superpower. They envisioned an agrarian society with a dispersed population and limited communications and transportation

    The constitution, as it stands today, provides more freedom for its citizens and a government more capable of operating on a global scale
     
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    So, based on your interpretation, we are in no way bound to protect our allies with military bases and equippage outside of our own borders, right? I only ask because I was once told by "someone" on these boards that we HAVE to maintain our bases overseas due to treaties and alliances we have formed with other countries.
     
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    I am ALWAYS amazed at the abject IGNORANCE of some people. Treaties and Binding agreements on alliances are COVERED in the Constitution you dumb ass. And yes we have to live up to our Formal and approved Agreements.

    Tell you what, if you want to be taken credibly in a conversation about the Constitution, you really should learn what it says.
     
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    Just look at NY... Emperor Mike is so fixated on cookies, fats and salt, he can't even plow the streets.

    Fucking hilarious. Gotta love the Nanny Staters.... can't get shit done of any import, but by God you'll know what's in that cookie!
     
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    Treaties and alliances with foreign nations are covered in the Constitution? Where?
     

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