Al Jazeera’s undercover film on the US Israel lobby

[fanger]

If israel has nothing to hide then they have nothing to worry about

 

[Hollie]

America was not invited into Syria by the Elected government, Russia was
America gives aid to insurgent groups such as Daesh/ISIS

It’s a Great Satan and Russian conspiracy to allow the Arabs-Moslems to do what Arabs-Moslems do; slaughter each other. We’ll get the Shiite Iranians involved and watch these dregs from the Dark Ages ramp up their fun.

 

[rylah]

If israel has nothing to hide then they have nothing to worry about

It's not about hiding, it's about Qatar incitement and lies they spread daily against any country their Emirs and their Mullah friends feel like.

One cannot downplay al-Jazeera's direct involvement in inciting the Arab Spring.

But even so, the main issue is that the original Arabic al-Jazeerah that promotes ISIS never reaches Western public. What they say in English and Arabic is 180 degrees opposite...just like what Arafat used to sell in English, while openly laughing at the naive.

That's why when Israel translates Arbic al-Jazeera or other regional media You begin to look for the most stupid excuses to keep buying their West fitted propaganda.

If You acknowledge that al-Jazeerah expresses the opinion of Qatar -
al-Thani Tamimi government. then You can form an informed opinion and Your own conclusions.

 

[fanger]

America was not invited into Syria by the Elected government, Russia was
America gives aid to insurgent groups such as Daesh/ISIS

It’s a Great Satan and Russian conspiracy to allow the Arabs-Moslems to do what Arabs-Moslems do; slaughter each other. We’ll get the Shiite Iranians involved and watch these dregs from the Dark Ages ramp up their fun.

Who is "We"?

 

[Hollie]

America was not invited into Syria by the Elected government, Russia was
America gives aid to insurgent groups such as Daesh/ISIS

It’s a Great Satan and Russian conspiracy to allow the Arabs-Moslems to do what Arabs-Moslems do; slaughter each other. We’ll get the Shiite Iranians involved and watch these dregs from the Dark Ages ramp up their fun.

Who is "We"?

You and Juan Cole.

 

[fanger]

AIPAC Bars Press from Panel on Press Freedom
The American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) barred journalists from a panel on press freedom at its annual policy conference in Washington, DC, on Sunday.
AIPAC is one of the most influential pro-Israel organizations in the United States.

Allison K. Sommer, a journalist for the left-wing Israeli daily newspaper Ha’aretz, tweeted Sunday that AIPAC’s panel on press freedom — on which she spoke — was closed to the media. She added the hashtag: “#irony”.
AIPAC Bars Press from Panel on Press Freedom | Breitbart

LOL

 

[Hollie]

AIPAC Bars Press from Panel on Press Freedom
The American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) barred journalists from a panel on press freedom at its annual policy conference in Washington, DC, on Sunday.
AIPAC is one of the most influential pro-Israel organizations in the United States.

Allison K. Sommer, a journalist for the left-wing Israeli daily newspaper Ha’aretz, tweeted Sunday that AIPAC’s panel on press freedom — on which she spoke — was closed to the media. She added the hashtag: “#irony”.
AIPAC Bars Press from Panel on Press Freedom | Breitbart

LOL

Posted elsewhere.

Hashtag: “#yourenotpayingattention”

 

[fanger]

AIPAC Bars Press from Panel on Press Freedom
The American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) barred journalists from a panel on press freedom at its annual policy conference in Washington, DC, on Sunday.
AIPAC is one of the most influential pro-Israel organizations in the United States.

Allison K. Sommer, a journalist for the left-wing Israeli daily newspaper Ha’aretz, tweeted Sunday that AIPAC’s panel on press freedom — on which she spoke — was closed to the media. She added the hashtag: “#irony”.
AIPAC Bars Press from Panel on Press Freedom | Breitbart

LOL

Posted elsewhere.

Hashtag: “#yourenotpayingattention”

Post the link and i'll comment, or don't post a link and be a liar

 

[fanger]

Krieger: "Foreign Government Lobbying Is An Abomination, Should Be Eradicated Immediately"
Krieger: "Foreign Government Lobbying Is An Abomination, Should Be Eradicated Immediately"

read the comments....Aipac she go boom

 

[fanger]

The High Court has in its unanimous decision has ruled today that Barnaby Joyce, the Deputy Prime Minister, ineligible for parliament because he has New Zealand citizenship.

It has also ruled ineligible senators Malcolm Roberts of One Nation, Larissa Waters of the Greens, Fiona Nash of the Nationals and Scott Ludlam of the Greens. Their positions in the Senate have been declared vacant.

The National Party’s Matt Canavan and South Australian Nick Xenophon are eligible. Xenophon is leaving the Senate in any case to return to state politics in South Australia.

Here’s why you can’t be a dual citizen and an Australian politician.
Here's why you can't be a dual citizen and an Australian politician

Maybe America should adopt this law?

 

[rylah]

There is an ever growing feeling that America is wasting blood, treasure and time (diplomacy and foreign aid) on countries which have substantial segments of the population that see America much differently than the people of America see ourselves.

Role in Syria:

■ Overall, there is mostly dissatisfaction with the role other countries have played in the Syrian conflict.
■ Russia’s and Iran’s roles are seen as negative everywhere except in Iran.
■ The U.S. role is only seen positively in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Turkey.
■ The Saudi role is only seen as positive in Jordan and the UAE.
■ The policies of the new Trump Administration toward any area of the Middle East are seen as positive only in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Turkey.
■ Emiratis and Turks favor his policies toward Syria and Iraq; Emiratis and Saudis support his policies toward Iran.​

I don't understand how You connect that report by al-Jazeerah to this conclusion. Not being a US citizen I cannot really understand or comment on that fairly, I'm an Israeli all I can tell You are the opinions in my society.

(COMMENT)

I am but one of the many American (a fair size segment) that have not been in a position to understand what the Israelis truly think; but which does understand that the contributions that Israel makes, the resources it controls, and the regional influences it has → are better left in Israeli hands than in the very unpredictable hands of the Arab Palestinian Leadership with close connections with Iran and the string of associated alternative allies that goes with that.

I suggest to you that the popular support of of the Egyptian People (using it from the example you raised) towards America is altogether different than the public face of the Egyptian Government.

At least two-thirds of respondents in Egypt, Lebanon, Jordan, Palestine, the UAE, and Turkey say that having good relations with the United States, Russia, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia are important for their countries.

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America perceives itself as But, it is not necessarily reflective of the concerns in crafting a solution for an end to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. The Arab Palestinians consider America as less than an "honest broker" for peace. But the US is still providing aid to the Palestinians in fairly large amounts.

Americans are tending to see Arab Palestinians undermining hopes for a Peace Settlement - and then - blaming America for it:

■ Continuing violence and focused attacks against civilians,
■ The glorification and encouragement to martyrdom,
■ The growing use of "open" propaganda to Incite more violence,
■ The continuing settlement construction and expansion,
■ Designation land for exclusive Israeli use,
■ The illicit arms trafficking and militant activity,​

The realignment of American resources and support should (as an example) disrupt as much aid and support as possible being funneled into the occupied territories. Then, making a corresponding increase in allied regional support.

However I see this notion of withdrawal being raised frequently, but even from the middle eastern perspective, I can only tell You that clear recognition of American power has to come first, and any withdrawal has to come as a result of showing that power - either in action by supporting Your allies (not only Israel but Egypt for example) or by leaving as the world power, strong state to be respected, that builds and backs up solid agreements in the region.

(COMMENT)

■ "American Power" is rather an ambiguous term. When that term is used, it is often used as a euphemism for the American Military influence through its strike capability. That, in turn, is used to suggest an hegemony. It is not always correct to interpret it as "American Regional Influence."

■ While a significant number of Americans tend to think America should remain diplomatically engaged in the Middle East through the Quartet (United Nations, the United States, the European Union, and Russia) and the P5+1 (China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States; with Germany as the plus 1); that is not the same thing as a Military Engagement strategy.​

It is becoming less and less clear to many Americans as to what the Regional general populations would like to see America adopt as policy; stacked against what is in America's best interest.

Otherwise it's vacuum, and a picture of a dog running with a tail between his legs - I'm sorry for that language but this is the middle east, this is exactly how it will be portrayed (on al-Jazeerah too), and if not done wisely it will simply look as an invitation to war.

(COMMENT)

The image of a ""dog running with a tail between his legs"" is really unimportant in the political business of engaging in ad hominem attacks. What is important is the Arab ad hominem attack not over shadow the fact that America has big teeth. American use of restraint in the application of Military Force and Power should not be mistaken for weakness; but rather as prudence.

The "sit-down and take stock of those Middle East nations that believe that America is evil, --- and - or --- what America does is evil" is to understand your inventory - liabilities and alliances. And to "redirect our support to regional cultures that might have an appreciation for what America" does for them is the smart diplomatic move.

(COMMENT)

The American interest in Israel has sharp creases is the protection and preservation of the overall culture in an otherwise hostile environment. But as a by-product of that investment in Israel, America maintains a periscope into the Middle East that will minimize political blurring that occurs just because American Diplomats are watching themselves being watched.

Most Respectfully,
R

Thank You for clarifying that position, one can learn a lot from the specific and detailed manner You write.

There is an ever growing feeling that America is wasting blood, treasure and time (diplomacy and foreign aid) on countries which have substantial segments of the population that see America much differently than the people of America see ourselves.

Role in Syria:

■ Overall, there is mostly dissatisfaction with the role other countries have played in the Syrian conflict.
■ Russia’s and Iran’s roles are seen as negative everywhere except in Iran.
■ The U.S. role is only seen positively in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Turkey.
■ The Saudi role is only seen as positive in Jordan and the UAE.
■ The policies of the new Trump Administration toward any area of the Middle East are seen as positive only in Saudi Arabia, the UAE, and Turkey.
■ Emiratis and Turks favor his policies toward Syria and Iraq; Emiratis and Saudis support his policies toward Iran.​

The feeling of loss, natural exhaustion from war is of course understandable.
However there's a sad irony, "a double edge sword", about American involvement and understanding of the region. Because there's a big difference between a team serving for max 8 years vs all those regional states that are ruled by one rule for decades. In the way that each administration brings its' own understanding/analysis of the situation.The time frame is totally different, while middle eastern leaders gain experience in dealing with the US on different levels, to them it looks like what each President says is only temporary.
With all respect to Your military intel and experience of old generals, it's the administration that decides , and this can cause damage and "unfinished business" that results in life loss (this is in no way a discussion on democracy vs autocracy), just the nature of this region.

And frankly I think that Your current administration is the most relevant, capable and understanding since the inception of the state of Israel on dealing with middle east. I haven't seen such appropriate, and natural attitude from the west until now, the shift Trump admin. managed to cause so quickly gave clear signs even before the embassy move.

But the web of relations You represent is over simplistic, and it seems this is exactly what the current admin sees - there's virtually all big players in the region somehow cooperate with its' enemies in some way or another,with the exception of Iran, , this is the core of the confusion in the west, inmo.

I am but one of the many American (a fair size segment) that have not been in a position to understand what the Israelis truly think; but which does understand that the contributions that Israel makes, the resources it controls, and the regional influences it has → are better left in Israeli hands than in the very unpredictable hands of the Arab Palestinian Leadership with close connections with Iran and the string of associated alternative allies that goes with that.

I suggest to you that the popular support of of the Egyptian People (using it from the example you raised) towards America is altogether different than the public face of the Egyptian Government.

The practical question is how to balance withdrawal with real potential of keeping those positions by Your allies?

Nobody like the Israelis can understand the "shtick" with Egypt - their society is one of the most openly hostile there can be, however it is with them that we have the longest quiet border, and frequently it them who remind the Arabs that our strength to be reckoned for the better of life in the region.
This cultural open hostility mixed with recognition and respect of power is the essence of most nations in the region. I'll add that from experience, in my opinion, in spite of all the wars -experience tells that Egypt is much more predictable (and in certain way reliable) than Turkey.

America perceives itself as But, it is not necessarily reflective of the concerns in crafting a solution for an end to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. The Arab Palestinians consider America as less than an "honest broker" for peace. But the US is still providing aid to the Palestinians in fairly large amounts.

Americans are tending to see Arab Palestinians undermining hopes for a Peace Settlement - and then - blaming America for it:

■ Continuing violence and focused attacks against civilians,
■ The glorification and encouragement to martyrdom,
■ The growing use of "open" propaganda to Incite more violence,
■ The continuing settlement construction and expansion,
■ Designation land for exclusive Israeli use,
■ The illicit arms trafficking and militant activity,​

The realignment of American resources and support should (as an example) disrupt as much aid and support as possible being funneled into the occupied territories. Then, making a corresponding increase in allied regional support.

The US has a certain image obstacle in promoting an actual, stepwise solution for I/P conflict, but a much bigger potential on a wider scale.
But Palestinians will view anyone as "less than honest," simply because it's part of the culture, and only available mechanism of national identity which relies directly on Israel's existence, they were saying the same, and acting upon it after Bill Clinton, or Obama.

Again the US has a great potential of healthy influence on a wider scale, than with the PA issue.
The key solution, inmo is leverage, as the greatest leader is unseen - standing BEHIND, enabling the weaker players to shift while keeping dignity and having a sense of security that advice and reliable friendship is available.

■ "American Power" is rather an ambiguous term. When that term is used, it is often used as a euphemism for the American Military influence through its strike capability. That, in turn, is used to suggest an hegemony. It is not always correct to interpret it as "American Regional Influence."

■ While a significant number of Americans tend to think America should remain diplomatically engaged in the Middle East through the Quartet (United Nations, the United States, the European Union, and Russia) and the P5+1 (China, France, Russia, the United Kingdom, and the United States; with Germany as the plus 1); that is not the same thing as a Military Engagement strategy.​

It is becoming less and less clear to many Americans as to what the Regional general populations would like to see America adopt as policy; stacked against what is in America's best interest.

Yes, in short - word and military.

How You stand behind the lines You set is crucial, and while in Europe it seem that this value has been totally devalued, in this part of the world one can build real relationships based on that, practical rather than ideological allies.

The image of a ""dog running with a tail between his legs"" is really unimportant in the political business of engaging in ad hominem attacks. What is important is the Arab ad hominem attack not over shadow the fact that America has big teeth. American use of restraint in the application of Military Force and Power should not be mistaken for weakness; but rather as prudence.

The "sit-down and take stock of those Middle East nations that believe that America is evil, --- and - or --- what America does is evil" is to understand your inventory - liabilities and alliances. And to "redirect our support to regional cultures that might have an appreciation for what America" does for them is the smart diplomatic move.

My friend, I'd suggest that the image of the strongest nation that is the US is important.
America will be portrayed as "evil" simply because many nations in the middle east have little unity, and this is an effective way to create some sort of familiarity between warring tribes and clans.

With that exception ,I agree with everything You say after the 2nd sentence, because it sounds exactly like our own values.

 

[rylah]

The American interest in Israel has sharp creases is the protection and preservation of the overall culture in an otherwise hostile environment. But as a by-product of that investment in Israel, America maintains a periscope into the Middle East that will minimize political blurring that occurs just because American Diplomats are watching themselves being watched.

I think that in spite of the difference of opinion and changing attitudes along the way, and I'm not trying to sound cynical or pompous, American friendship will be remembered as an example in history, and there's something deeper that bears that understanding and commitment than political lobbying.

As for the view into the region, Israelis have a lot to offer, although through our own opinion and experience -but what many forget is that many of us, and our families lived in the middle east since inception - and never left it. We're at least as knowledgeable as any anchor on al Jazeerah

 

[rylah]

AIPAC Bars Press from Panel on Press Freedom
The American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) barred journalists from a panel on press freedom at its annual policy conference in Washington, DC, on Sunday.
AIPAC is one of the most influential pro-Israel organizations in the United States.

Allison K. Sommer, a journalist for the left-wing Israeli daily newspaper Ha’aretz, tweeted Sunday that AIPAC’s panel on press freedom — on which she spoke — was closed to the media. She added the hashtag: “#irony”.
AIPAC Bars Press from Panel on Press Freedom | Breitbart

LOL

Q.What is the most influential Arab lobby in the US?

No word about it ..so much for the freedom of press to expose CAIR in Obama govt.
Or those who call for Jihad on the White House holding a Hezballah flag on the streets...wonder where this came from...maybe al Jazeera ?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Al Jazeera’s undercover film on the US Israel lobby
※→ fanger, et al,

Well, there are plenty of naive people that might think this, as if it is something that America does not do in one fashion or another.

Krieger: "Foreign Government Lobbying Is An Abomination, Should Be Eradicated Immediately"
Krieger: "Foreign Government Lobbying Is An Abomination, Should Be Eradicated Immediately"

read the comments....Aipac she go boom

(COMMENT)

It is much simpler - less complicated - than one might think. A lobbyist is a resource that influences law makers on matters of legislation on behalf of special interest groups. An Ambassador is a foreign resource that influences law makers and foreign policy makers for the best interest of a foreign country and to promote activities in the best interest of a foreign country.

Foreign and Military Aid is used by the US Governments, as well as US transnational and multilateral corporations to ensure that foreign governments that receive such US Aid or Corporate Capital investment ⇒ adopt policies that favor US Political and Diplomatic efforts, goals and objectives; including the interests of American private corporations (banks in particular). Military and Foreign Aid is used as an important political and security motivator.

If the philosophy (alla) "Mike Krieger" (a Brazilian ) were adopted, the US would loose one of its more valuable tools in diplomacy and foreign policy. And Krieger might not have had a opportunity to go to school at Stanford if the legislation [§101(a)(15) of INA] governing international students pursuing a full-time academic education (F Type non-immigrant VISA) was not passed.

I'm not sure what Mike Krieger's bone of contention is; but, the theory that rich nations like the US gives money to poor countries with the goal of meeting humanitarian needs and speeding economic development - sounds benevolent. It certainly is not realistic.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Tilly]

Al Jazeera?

 

[Kondor3]

If israel has nothing to hide then they have nothing to worry about

You tell 'em, Achmed...

 

[fanger]

Al Jazeera?

CNN/FOX

 

[rylah]

AIPAC Bars Press from Panel on Press Freedom
The American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) barred journalists from a panel on press freedom at its annual policy conference in Washington, DC, on Sunday.
AIPAC is one of the most influential pro-Israel organizations in the United States.

Allison K. Sommer, a journalist for the left-wing Israeli daily newspaper Ha’aretz, tweeted Sunday that AIPAC’s panel on press freedom — on which she spoke — was closed to the media. She added the hashtag: “#irony”.
AIPAC Bars Press from Panel on Press Freedom | Breitbart

LOL

Is that why they aired the conference live on Youtube?

 

[fanger]

AIPAC Bars Press from Panel on Press Freedom
The American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) barred journalists from a panel on press freedom at its annual policy conference in Washington, DC, on Sunday.
AIPAC is one of the most influential pro-Israel organizations in the United States.

Allison K. Sommer, a journalist for the left-wing Israeli daily newspaper Ha’aretz, tweeted Sunday that AIPAC’s panel on press freedom — on which she spoke — was closed to the media. She added the hashtag: “#irony”.
AIPAC Bars Press from Panel on Press Freedom | Breitbart

LOL

Is that why they aired the conference live on Youtube?

You would have posted the link, but you didn't, thats telling

 

[rylah]

AIPAC Bars Press from Panel on Press Freedom
The American-Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC) barred journalists from a panel on press freedom at its annual policy conference in Washington, DC, on Sunday.
AIPAC is one of the most influential pro-Israel organizations in the United States.

Allison K. Sommer, a journalist for the left-wing Israeli daily newspaper Ha’aretz, tweeted Sunday that AIPAC’s panel on press freedom — on which she spoke — was closed to the media. She added the hashtag: “#irony”.
AIPAC Bars Press from Panel on Press Freedom | Breitbart

LOL

Is that why they aired the conference live on Youtube?

You would have posted the link, but you didn't, thats telling

Is this BS artistry Your best argument?

Go to Youtube and search "AIPAC LIVE"... tell me how many videos You see from that day.