The exact same stuff people like esalla babble about aircraft carriers supposed "vulnerability" are the exact same things people were babbling about them at the time of the Falkland Islands War in 1982.
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Aircraft carriers are as useless as battleships in an all out war with China or Russia
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The exact same stuff people like esalla babble about aircraft carriers supposed "vulnerability" are the exact same things people were babbling about them at the time of the Falkland Islands War in 1982.
Silver Cat
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Yes. May be, " Metropolitan area" would be better term.There are 661 cities in China (according their definition and used to call "prefectures") and 19,522 of "towns". We need much more nukes than we actually have to glass them all. Say nothing about stupidity of "cobalt-jacked dirty (but weak) nukes".The fix is actually quite simple: Taiwan needs to announce...
Face It, The Mighty U.S. Aircraft Carrier is Finished | The American Conservative
The first step is acknowledging that in a standoff, it could lose, and badly.www.theamericanconservative.com
Why A New Study Warns That Aircraft Carriers May Be Obsolete (Thanks To Russia And China)
Inexpensive Russian and Chinese weapons, such as cyberwar and antiship missiles, threaten the West’s reliance on expensive arms such as aircraft carriers.taskandpurpose.com
However is America still wants to invade third World nations like Vietnam and Afghanistan or Somalia a carrier could still be useful. However if the USA attacked China or Russia with a carrier the ship would be sunk in under an hour by land based anti ship missiles that number in the thousands
I think America should be working out how to protect the eventual Communist offensive against Taiwan, Japan and Australia rather than just their own offensive measures.
If they don't take Taiwan by force, they will just swallow them by squeezing them economically, denying them travel in various critical areas they require for trade, bribing and buying politicians (as they do to the West) etc.
China is probably just in wait for the right opportunity. They just took H.K and they are working on squeezing the Aussies and NZ economically right now also, keeping them dependent on them. Once done with these irritants, they will turn their sights elsewhere.
By the time China decides to go on the offensive, they could be too advanced, or too rapid in their activities. Worse, a passive, docile America that decides "it's not worth the economic 'benefit' we enjoy from cheap labour in China, so, unfortunately, you're on your own Taiwan".
China will know when to move, it won't be until they are in a much superior position, economically, geo-politically (they are in a great spot based on the U.N and WTO fiascos) and otherwise. They have to choose to eventually expand though with a focus on economics, but we saw their swift and deliberate move into H.K. 1.4B people and weak Western leadership? Just a matter of time...
We have nuclear weapons.
If invaded, the invasion fleet will be attacked with nuclear weapons.
Low-yield nuclear missiles will be used to blow the every large dam in China.
If the invasion cannot be thrown back, every city in mainland China will be glassed by cobalt-jacketed dirty nukes.
Prefectures and cities are not the same thing.
Look:
Total population of say, Handan, 9 million of Chinamen, but only 10% of them live in the urban center. All other live in other "cities", "towns" and even "villages".
Great, another editor/armchair tactician from a nickle & dime bimonthly opinion/gossip publication. Carriers are not used as a first strike strategic weapon as that is a job for the SSBM sumerged launched & ICBM land launched weapons. Carriers would/could be used in both defensive & offensive tactical situations as follow up/2nd strike weapons. Carriers do possess nuclear strike options for both tactical & strategic designated targets but of course lack SSBM/ICBM capability regarding range. Ships designed for combat are expendable but the nations that construct such ships are NOT expendable.
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Face It, The Mighty U.S. Aircraft Carrier is Finished | The American Conservative
The first step is acknowledging that in a standoff, it could lose, and badly.
Why A New Study Warns That Aircraft Carriers May Be Obsolete (Thanks To Russia And China)
Inexpensive Russian and Chinese weapons, such as cyberwar and antiship missiles, threaten the West’s reliance on expensive arms such as aircraft carriers.
However is America still wants to invade third World nations like Vietnam and Afghanistan or Somalia a carrier could still be useful. However if the USA attacked China or Russia with a carrier the ship would be sunk in under an hour by land based anti ship missiles that number in the thousands
I think America should be working out how to protect the eventual Communist offensive against Taiwan, Japan and Australia rather than just their own offensive measures.
If they don't take Taiwan by force, they will just swallow them by squeezing them economically, denying them travel in various critical areas they require for trade, bribing and buying politicians (as they do to the West) etc.
China is probably just in wait for the right opportunity. They just took H.K and they are working on squeezing the Aussies and NZ economically right now also, keeping them dependent on them. Once done with these irritants, they will turn their sights elsewhere.
By the time China decides to go on the offensive, they could be too advanced, or too rapid in their activities. Worse, a passive, docile America that decides "it's not worth the economic 'benefit' we enjoy from cheap labour in China, so, unfortunately, you're on your own Taiwan".
China will know when to move, it won't be until they are in a much superior position, economically, geo-politically (they are in a great spot based on the U.N and WTO fiascos) and otherwise. They have to choose to eventually expand though with a focus on economics, but we saw their swift and deliberate move into H.K. 1.4B people and weak Western leadership? Just a matter of time...
Apples and Oranges. Hong Kong returned to Chinese control back in 1997.
Not at all, go research the Sino-British joint declaration. Hong Kong is supposed to have a high degree of independent governance and autonomy, China agreed, now they violated without warning.
Hong Kong is Britains prized domain. Not a colony anymore, but a vital component of their International reach and influence. Abruptly snuffed out as the world fought the Wuhan Virus. They have been relying on America to apply sanctions, and Trump has, but the rest of the world has been weak.
Will those sanctions and activities go away if Harris/Biden take over? The only recourse the UK have is International courts and they have shown themselves to be feckless. A rapidly decaying empire that took America down with her unfortunately. American socialists care even less about this issue.
As I've said on here, the consequences for America if Trump is not in office at this junction in time are deep and wide.
esalla
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Actually it is being said by every defense analyst at this point. Aircraft carriers are useless in any battle with a hypersonic missile equipped nationYou would not recognize reality if it marched past you playing Thriller on a pink and green Sousaphone.You are not arguing with me, you are arguing with reality
The exact same stuff people like esalla babble about aircraft carriers supposed "vulnerability" are the exact same things people were babbling about them at the time of the Falkland Islands War in 1982.
I am not sure why you are persisting in your denial.
Midway is over kid, you need to stop watching the movie's too
No Longer Taboo: Pro-Navy Senator Warns Aircraft Carriers May Be “Obsolete”, “Sitting Ducks” for Hypersonics
The new chief of naval operations, Adm. Michael Gilday, was confirmed quickly by the Senate last week [text is from two weeks ago], but lawmakers made clear
www.anti-empire.com
How America’s Aircraft Carriers Could Become Obsolete
Modern missiles make them vulnerable. A $13 billion price tag makes them expensive. New technology may make them unnecessary.
www.bloomberg.com
The Aircraft Carrier Is In Danger Of Becoming the Next Battleship (As in Obsolete)
Against any near-peer adversary, aircraft carriers are far too vulnerable to be of much use.
nationalinterest.org
Accept the truth kid, or stay in your Midway fantasy
Actually it is being said by every defense analyst at this point. Aircraft carriers are useless in any battle with a hypersonic missile equipped nationYou would not recognize reality if it marched past you playing Thriller on a pink and green Sousaphone.You are not arguing with me, you are arguing with reality
The exact same stuff people like esalla babble about aircraft carriers supposed "vulnerability" are the exact same things people were babbling about them at the time of the Falkland Islands War in 1982.
I am not sure why you are persisting in your denial.
Midway is over kid, you need to stop watching the movie's too
Accept the truth kid, or stay in your Midway fantasy
I've never seen Midway. And not every defense analyst agrees with you.
And most nations do not have hypersonic missiles.
And before you act like an ass and make your typical comment about "nations with camels"... if a nation with camels is the opponent, then why not use weapons like aircraft carriers against them.
Most nations are NOT so called "peer opponents" of the United States.
Yes. May be, " Metropolitan area" would be better term.There are 661 cities in China (according their definition and used to call "prefectures") and 19,522 of "towns". We need much more nukes than we actually have to glass them all. Say nothing about stupidity of "cobalt-jacked dirty (but weak) nukes".The fix is actually quite simple: Taiwan needs to announce...Face It, The Mighty U.S. Aircraft Carrier is Finished | The American Conservative
The first step is acknowledging that in a standoff, it could lose, and badly.
Why A New Study Warns That Aircraft Carriers May Be Obsolete (Thanks To Russia And China)
Inexpensive Russian and Chinese weapons, such as cyberwar and antiship missiles, threaten the West’s reliance on expensive arms such as aircraft carriers.
However is America still wants to invade third World nations like Vietnam and Afghanistan or Somalia a carrier could still be useful. However if the USA attacked China or Russia with a carrier the ship would be sunk in under an hour by land based anti ship missiles that number in the thousands
I think America should be working out how to protect the eventual Communist offensive against Taiwan, Japan and Australia rather than just their own offensive measures.
If they don't take Taiwan by force, they will just swallow them by squeezing them economically, denying them travel in various critical areas they require for trade, bribing and buying politicians (as they do to the West) etc.
China is probably just in wait for the right opportunity. They just took H.K and they are working on squeezing the Aussies and NZ economically right now also, keeping them dependent on them. Once done with these irritants, they will turn their sights elsewhere.
By the time China decides to go on the offensive, they could be too advanced, or too rapid in their activities. Worse, a passive, docile America that decides "it's not worth the economic 'benefit' we enjoy from cheap labour in China, so, unfortunately, you're on your own Taiwan".
China will know when to move, it won't be until they are in a much superior position, economically, geo-politically (they are in a great spot based on the U.N and WTO fiascos) and otherwise. They have to choose to eventually expand though with a focus on economics, but we saw their swift and deliberate move into H.K. 1.4B people and weak Western leadership? Just a matter of time...
We have nuclear weapons.
If invaded, the invasion fleet will be attacked with nuclear weapons.
Low-yield nuclear missiles will be used to blow the every large dam in China.
If the invasion cannot be thrown back, every city in mainland China will be glassed by cobalt-jacketed dirty nukes.
Prefectures and cities are not the same thing.
Look:
View attachment 416322
View attachment 416323
View attachment 416324
Total population of say, Handan, 9 million of Chinamen, but only 10% of them live in the urban center. All other live in other "cities", "towns" and even "villages".
A prefecture is the equivalent of a state. It is not difficult.
esalla
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1. You have seen both versions of Midway, not sure why you choose to lie, this is really childishActually it is being said by every defense analyst at this point. Aircraft carriers are useless in any battle with a hypersonic missile equipped nationYou would not recognize reality if it marched past you playing Thriller on a pink and green Sousaphone.You are not arguing with me, you are arguing with reality
The exact same stuff people like esalla babble about aircraft carriers supposed "vulnerability" are the exact same things people were babbling about them at the time of the Falkland Islands War in 1982.
I am not sure why you are persisting in your denial.
Midway is over kid, you need to stop watching the movie's too
Accept the truth kid, or stay in your Midway fantasy
I've never seen Midway. And not every defense analyst agrees with you.
And most nations do not have hypersonic missiles.
And before you act like an ass and make your typical comment about "nations with camels"... if a nation with camels is the opponent, then why not use weapons like aircraft carriers against them.
Most nations are NOT so called "peer opponents" of the United States.
2. No defense analyst agrees with me, I agree with them that carriers are obsolete
3. Carriers are not made to defend against most nations, they are made to defend against the major threats to the USA.
4. The point about camels kid, is that camels do not threaten a carrier in any way, but attack Russia or China with a carrier and no jet that took off will land
1. You have seen both versions of Midway, not sure why you choose to lie, this is really childishActually it is being said by every defense analyst at this point. Aircraft carriers are useless in any battle with a hypersonic missile equipped nationYou would not recognize reality if it marched past you playing Thriller on a pink and green Sousaphone.You are not arguing with me, you are arguing with reality
The exact same stuff people like esalla babble about aircraft carriers supposed "vulnerability" are the exact same things people were babbling about them at the time of the Falkland Islands War in 1982.
I am not sure why you are persisting in your denial.
Midway is over kid, you need to stop watching the movie's too
Accept the truth kid, or stay in your Midway fantasy
I've never seen Midway. And not every defense analyst agrees with you.
And most nations do not have hypersonic missiles.
And before you act like an ass and make your typical comment about "nations with camels"... if a nation with camels is the opponent, then why not use weapons like aircraft carriers against them.
Most nations are NOT so called "peer opponents" of the United States.
2. No defense analyst agrees with me, I agree with them that carriers are obsolete
3. Carriers are not made to defend against most nations, they are made to defend against the major threats to the USA.
4. The point about camels kid, is that camels do not threaten a carrier in any way, but attack Russia or China with a carrier and no jet that took off will land
Of course. Because of your imaginary thousands of anti ship missiles that never miss and that can destroy an aircraft carrier with a single hit.
Sure, "first responder". sure.
esalla
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Just quoting the defense analyst. LOL can you tell us again that you never watched Midway?1. You have seen both versions of Midway, not sure why you choose to lie, this is really childishActually it is being said by every defense analyst at this point. Aircraft carriers are useless in any battle with a hypersonic missile equipped nationYou would not recognize reality if it marched past you playing Thriller on a pink and green Sousaphone.You are not arguing with me, you are arguing with reality
The exact same stuff people like esalla babble about aircraft carriers supposed "vulnerability" are the exact same things people were babbling about them at the time of the Falkland Islands War in 1982.
I am not sure why you are persisting in your denial.
Midway is over kid, you need to stop watching the movie's too
Accept the truth kid, or stay in your Midway fantasy
I've never seen Midway. And not every defense analyst agrees with you.
And most nations do not have hypersonic missiles.
And before you act like an ass and make your typical comment about "nations with camels"... if a nation with camels is the opponent, then why not use weapons like aircraft carriers against them.
Most nations are NOT so called "peer opponents" of the United States.
2. No defense analyst agrees with me, I agree with them that carriers are obsolete
3. Carriers are not made to defend against most nations, they are made to defend against the major threats to the USA.
4. The point about camels kid, is that camels do not threaten a carrier in any way, but attack Russia or China with a carrier and no jet that took off will land
Of course. Because of your imaginary thousands of anti ship missiles that never miss and that can destroy an aircraft carrier with a single hit.
Sure, "first responder". sure.
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
As Obsolete as a Battleship: Why Is the U.S. Navy Still Building Aircraft Carriers?
We take a look.
nationalinterest.org
As Obsolete as a Battleship: Why Is the U.S. Navy Still Building Aircraft Carriers?
We take a look.
I finally read this link you provided in detail. I contains a number of errors and outright misrepresentations that ultimately results in conclusions completely different from what you described.
Silver Cat
Gold Member
Nothing is simple in China.Yes. May be, " Metropolitan area" would be better term.There are 661 cities in China (according their definition and used to call "prefectures") and 19,522 of "towns". We need much more nukes than we actually have to glass them all. Say nothing about stupidity of "cobalt-jacked dirty (but weak) nukes".The fix is actually quite simple: Taiwan needs to announce...Face It, The Mighty U.S. Aircraft Carrier is Finished | The American Conservative
The first step is acknowledging that in a standoff, it could lose, and badly.
Why A New Study Warns That Aircraft Carriers May Be Obsolete (Thanks To Russia And China)
Inexpensive Russian and Chinese weapons, such as cyberwar and antiship missiles, threaten the West’s reliance on expensive arms such as aircraft carriers.
However is America still wants to invade third World nations like Vietnam and Afghanistan or Somalia a carrier could still be useful. However if the USA attacked China or Russia with a carrier the ship would be sunk in under an hour by land based anti ship missiles that number in the thousands
I think America should be working out how to protect the eventual Communist offensive against Taiwan, Japan and Australia rather than just their own offensive measures.
If they don't take Taiwan by force, they will just swallow them by squeezing them economically, denying them travel in various critical areas they require for trade, bribing and buying politicians (as they do to the West) etc.
China is probably just in wait for the right opportunity. They just took H.K and they are working on squeezing the Aussies and NZ economically right now also, keeping them dependent on them. Once done with these irritants, they will turn their sights elsewhere.
By the time China decides to go on the offensive, they could be too advanced, or too rapid in their activities. Worse, a passive, docile America that decides "it's not worth the economic 'benefit' we enjoy from cheap labour in China, so, unfortunately, you're on your own Taiwan".
China will know when to move, it won't be until they are in a much superior position, economically, geo-politically (they are in a great spot based on the U.N and WTO fiascos) and otherwise. They have to choose to eventually expand though with a focus on economics, but we saw their swift and deliberate move into H.K. 1.4B people and weak Western leadership? Just a matter of time...
We have nuclear weapons.
If invaded, the invasion fleet will be attacked with nuclear weapons.
Low-yield nuclear missiles will be used to blow the every large dam in China.
If the invasion cannot be thrown back, every city in mainland China will be glassed by cobalt-jacketed dirty nukes.
Prefectures and cities are not the same thing.
Look:
View attachment 416322
View attachment 416323
View attachment 416324
Total population of say, Handan, 9 million of Chinamen, but only 10% of them live in the urban center. All other live in other "cities", "towns" and even "villages".
A prefecture is the equivalent of a state. It is not difficult.
Préfecture (Chine) — Wikipédia
Prefecture-level city - Wikipedia
A prefectural-level municipality (Chinese: 地级市), prefectural-level city or prefectural city; formerly known as province-administrated city (Chinese: 省辖市) from 1949 to 1983, is an administrative division of the People's Republic of China (PRC), ranking below a province and above a county in China's administrative structure. Prefectural level cities form the second level of the administrative structure (alongside prefectures, leagues and autonomous prefectures). Administrative chiefs (mayors) of prefectural level cities generally have the same rank as a division chief (Chinese: 司长) of a national ministry. Since the 1980s, most former prefectures have been renamed into prefectural level cities.
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For example, mentioned above Handan is a prefectural level city since 1993 only. It was a region and prefecture before it.
Just use Google Earth to see, what percent of Handan "city" square is actually urban.
esalla
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Its all simple, they eat bats dogs and raw monkey brains everywhereNothing is simple in China.Yes. May be, " Metropolitan area" would be better term.There are 661 cities in China (according their definition and used to call "prefectures") and 19,522 of "towns". We need much more nukes than we actually have to glass them all. Say nothing about stupidity of "cobalt-jacked dirty (but weak) nukes".The fix is actually quite simple: Taiwan needs to announce...Face It, The Mighty U.S. Aircraft Carrier is Finished | The American Conservative
The first step is acknowledging that in a standoff, it could lose, and badly.
Why A New Study Warns That Aircraft Carriers May Be Obsolete (Thanks To Russia And China)
Inexpensive Russian and Chinese weapons, such as cyberwar and antiship missiles, threaten the West’s reliance on expensive arms such as aircraft carriers.
However is America still wants to invade third World nations like Vietnam and Afghanistan or Somalia a carrier could still be useful. However if the USA attacked China or Russia with a carrier the ship would be sunk in under an hour by land based anti ship missiles that number in the thousands
I think America should be working out how to protect the eventual Communist offensive against Taiwan, Japan and Australia rather than just their own offensive measures.
If they don't take Taiwan by force, they will just swallow them by squeezing them economically, denying them travel in various critical areas they require for trade, bribing and buying politicians (as they do to the West) etc.
China is probably just in wait for the right opportunity. They just took H.K and they are working on squeezing the Aussies and NZ economically right now also, keeping them dependent on them. Once done with these irritants, they will turn their sights elsewhere.
By the time China decides to go on the offensive, they could be too advanced, or too rapid in their activities. Worse, a passive, docile America that decides "it's not worth the economic 'benefit' we enjoy from cheap labour in China, so, unfortunately, you're on your own Taiwan".
China will know when to move, it won't be until they are in a much superior position, economically, geo-politically (they are in a great spot based on the U.N and WTO fiascos) and otherwise. They have to choose to eventually expand though with a focus on economics, but we saw their swift and deliberate move into H.K. 1.4B people and weak Western leadership? Just a matter of time...
We have nuclear weapons.
If invaded, the invasion fleet will be attacked with nuclear weapons.
Low-yield nuclear missiles will be used to blow the every large dam in China.
If the invasion cannot be thrown back, every city in mainland China will be glassed by cobalt-jacketed dirty nukes.
Prefectures and cities are not the same thing.
Look:
View attachment 416322
View attachment 416323
View attachment 416324
Total population of say, Handan, 9 million of Chinamen, but only 10% of them live in the urban center. All other live in other "cities", "towns" and even "villages".
A prefecture is the equivalent of a state. It is not difficult.
"Les préfectures furent à une époque le principal type de subdivision de niveau préfectoral. Beaucoup sont désormais converties en villes-préfectures. Au 31 décembre 2005, la Chine comptait 17 préfectures."Préfecture (Chine) — Wikipédia
fr.wikipedia.org
Prefecture-level city - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
A prefectural-level municipality (Chinese: 地级市), prefectural-level city or prefectural city; formerly known as province-administrated city (Chinese: 省辖市) from 1949 to 1983, is an administrative division of the People's Republic of China (PRC), ranking below a province and above a county in China's administrative structure. Prefectural level cities form the second level of the administrative structure (alongside prefectures, leagues and autonomous prefectures). Administrative chiefs (mayors) of prefectural level cities generally have the same rank as a division chief (Chinese: 司长) of a national ministry. Since the 1980s, most former prefectures have been renamed into prefectural level cities.
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For example, mentioned above Handan is a prefectural level city since 1993 only. It was a region and prefecture before it.
Just use Google Earth to see, what percent of Handan "city" square is actually urban.
Face It, The Mighty U.S. Aircraft Carrier is Finished | The American Conservative
The first step is acknowledging that in a standoff, it could lose, and badly.
Why A New Study Warns That Aircraft Carriers May Be Obsolete (Thanks To Russia And China)
Inexpensive Russian and Chinese weapons, such as cyberwar and antiship missiles, threaten the West’s reliance on expensive arms such as aircraft carriers.
However is America still wants to invade third World nations like Vietnam and Afghanistan or Somalia a carrier could still be useful. However if the USA attacked China or Russia with a carrier the ship would be sunk in under an hour by land based anti ship missiles that number in the thousands
yep it's true....the carriers are now nothing more that huge targets and there is no way they can defend against the absolute rain of missiles that would find them. However you underestimate the US navy...the Littoral fleet is growing and it is the most deadly thing that has ever taken afloat. China is no match for the US navy and they know it. They are also no match for our cruise missile technologies. Within an hour of sinking an air craft carrier somewhere between 500 and 1000 land based targets would go up in smoke in China...many of them heavy population centers. These would be from missles that are absolutely impossible to stop or intercept.
They know that also. A first wave attack by the US cruise missile assets would produce roughly ten million casualties in China within a few hours.
China would most likely surrender after the first wave...if not then they would have to suffer an even greater second wave attack for which they would have little or no answer....they cannot hit the US with any kind of consistency and even if a few got though it would be a very uneven exchange ....with each exchange China would be largely incapacitated.
JO
esalla
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The littoral fleet is an artificial reef waiting to happen. A new and bright pile of junkFace It, The Mighty U.S. Aircraft Carrier is Finished | The American Conservative
The first step is acknowledging that in a standoff, it could lose, and badly.
Why A New Study Warns That Aircraft Carriers May Be Obsolete (Thanks To Russia And China)
Inexpensive Russian and Chinese weapons, such as cyberwar and antiship missiles, threaten the West’s reliance on expensive arms such as aircraft carriers.
However is America still wants to invade third World nations like Vietnam and Afghanistan or Somalia a carrier could still be useful. However if the USA attacked China or Russia with a carrier the ship would be sunk in under an hour by land based anti ship missiles that number in the thousands
yep it's true....the carriers are now nothing more that huge targets and there is no way they can defend against the absolute rain of missiles that would find them. However you underestimate the US navy...the Littoral fleet is growing and it is the most deadly thing that has ever taken afloat. China is no match for the US navy and they know it. They are also no match for our cruise missile technologies. Within an hour of sinking an air craft carrier somewhere between 500 and 1000 land based targets would go up in smoke in China...many of them heavy population centers. These would be from missles that are absolutely impossible to stop or intercept.
They know that also. A first wave attack by the US cruise missile assets would produce roughly ten million casualties in China within a few hours.
China would most likely surrender after the first wave...if not then they would have to suffer an even greater second wave attack for which they would have little or no answer....they cannot hit the US with any kind of consistency and even if a few got though it would be a very uneven exchange ....with each exchange China would be largely incapacitated.
JO
The US Navy basically admitted that the Littoral Combat Ship looks like a massive failure
The Navy “may not” deploy any littoral combat ships this year.
www.businessinsider.com
The littoral fleet is an artificial reef waiting to happen. A new and bright pile of junkFace It, The Mighty U.S. Aircraft Carrier is Finished | The American Conservative
The first step is acknowledging that in a standoff, it could lose, and badly.
Why A New Study Warns That Aircraft Carriers May Be Obsolete (Thanks To Russia And China)
Inexpensive Russian and Chinese weapons, such as cyberwar and antiship missiles, threaten the West’s reliance on expensive arms such as aircraft carriers.
However is America still wants to invade third World nations like Vietnam and Afghanistan or Somalia a carrier could still be useful. However if the USA attacked China or Russia with a carrier the ship would be sunk in under an hour by land based anti ship missiles that number in the thousands
yep it's true....the carriers are now nothing more that huge targets and there is no way they can defend against the absolute rain of missiles that would find them. However you underestimate the US navy...the Littoral fleet is growing and it is the most deadly thing that has ever taken afloat. China is no match for the US navy and they know it. They are also no match for our cruise missile technologies. Within an hour of sinking an air craft carrier somewhere between 500 and 1000 land based targets would go up in smoke in China...many of them heavy population centers. These would be from missles that are absolutely impossible to stop or intercept.
They know that also. A first wave attack by the US cruise missile assets would produce roughly ten million casualties in China within a few hours.
China would most likely surrender after the first wave...if not then they would have to suffer an even greater second wave attack for which they would have little or no answer....they cannot hit the US with any kind of consistency and even if a few got though it would be a very uneven exchange ....with each exchange China would be largely incapacitated.
JO
The US Navy basically admitted that the Littoral Combat Ship looks like a massive failure
The Navy “may not” deploy any littoral combat ships this year.
The fleet is not a failure....
But the news articles are good consumption for the Chinese intelligence agencies....let them believe that....better for us. You don't show off your successes you hide them.
JO
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Nothing is simple in China.
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Most things are simple in China.
The littoral fleet is an artificial reef waiting to happen. A new and bright pile of junkFace It, The Mighty U.S. Aircraft Carrier is Finished | The American Conservative
The first step is acknowledging that in a standoff, it could lose, and badly.
Why A New Study Warns That Aircraft Carriers May Be Obsolete (Thanks To Russia And China)
Inexpensive Russian and Chinese weapons, such as cyberwar and antiship missiles, threaten the West’s reliance on expensive arms such as aircraft carriers.
However is America still wants to invade third World nations like Vietnam and Afghanistan or Somalia a carrier could still be useful. However if the USA attacked China or Russia with a carrier the ship would be sunk in under an hour by land based anti ship missiles that number in the thousands
yep it's true....the carriers are now nothing more that huge targets and there is no way they can defend against the absolute rain of missiles that would find them. However you underestimate the US navy...the Littoral fleet is growing and it is the most deadly thing that has ever taken afloat. China is no match for the US navy and they know it. They are also no match for our cruise missile technologies. Within an hour of sinking an air craft carrier somewhere between 500 and 1000 land based targets would go up in smoke in China...many of them heavy population centers. These would be from missles that are absolutely impossible to stop or intercept.
They know that also. A first wave attack by the US cruise missile assets would produce roughly ten million casualties in China within a few hours.
China would most likely surrender after the first wave...if not then they would have to suffer an even greater second wave attack for which they would have little or no answer....they cannot hit the US with any kind of consistency and even if a few got though it would be a very uneven exchange ....with each exchange China would be largely incapacitated.
JO
The US Navy basically admitted that the Littoral Combat Ship looks like a massive failure
The Navy “may not” deploy any littoral combat ships this year.
I think we've all seen enough of your OCD now, head case. You can stop repeating yourself now.
Its all simple, they eat bats dogs and raw monkey brains everywhereNothing is simple in China.Yes. May be, " Metropolitan area" would be better term.There are 661 cities in China (according their definition and used to call "prefectures") and 19,522 of "towns". We need much more nukes than we actually have to glass them all. Say nothing about stupidity of "cobalt-jacked dirty (but weak) nukes".The fix is actually quite simple: Taiwan needs to announce...Face It, The Mighty U.S. Aircraft Carrier is Finished | The American Conservative
The first step is acknowledging that in a standoff, it could lose, and badly.
Why A New Study Warns That Aircraft Carriers May Be Obsolete (Thanks To Russia And China)
Inexpensive Russian and Chinese weapons, such as cyberwar and antiship missiles, threaten the West’s reliance on expensive arms such as aircraft carriers.
However is America still wants to invade third World nations like Vietnam and Afghanistan or Somalia a carrier could still be useful. However if the USA attacked China or Russia with a carrier the ship would be sunk in under an hour by land based anti ship missiles that number in the thousands
I think America should be working out how to protect the eventual Communist offensive against Taiwan, Japan and Australia rather than just their own offensive measures.
If they don't take Taiwan by force, they will just swallow them by squeezing them economically, denying them travel in various critical areas they require for trade, bribing and buying politicians (as they do to the West) etc.
China is probably just in wait for the right opportunity. They just took H.K and they are working on squeezing the Aussies and NZ economically right now also, keeping them dependent on them. Once done with these irritants, they will turn their sights elsewhere.
By the time China decides to go on the offensive, they could be too advanced, or too rapid in their activities. Worse, a passive, docile America that decides "it's not worth the economic 'benefit' we enjoy from cheap labour in China, so, unfortunately, you're on your own Taiwan".
China will know when to move, it won't be until they are in a much superior position, economically, geo-politically (they are in a great spot based on the U.N and WTO fiascos) and otherwise. They have to choose to eventually expand though with a focus on economics, but we saw their swift and deliberate move into H.K. 1.4B people and weak Western leadership? Just a matter of time...
We have nuclear weapons.
If invaded, the invasion fleet will be attacked with nuclear weapons.
Low-yield nuclear missiles will be used to blow the every large dam in China.
If the invasion cannot be thrown back, every city in mainland China will be glassed by cobalt-jacketed dirty nukes.
Prefectures and cities are not the same thing.
Look:
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Total population of say, Handan, 9 million of Chinamen, but only 10% of them live in the urban center. All other live in other "cities", "towns" and even "villages".
A prefecture is the equivalent of a state. It is not difficult.
"Les préfectures furent à une époque le principal type de subdivision de niveau préfectoral. Beaucoup sont désormais converties en villes-préfectures. Au 31 décembre 2005, la Chine comptait 17 préfectures."Préfecture (Chine) — Wikipédia
Prefecture-level city - Wikipedia
A prefectural-level municipality (Chinese: 地级市), prefectural-level city or prefectural city; formerly known as province-administrated city (Chinese: 省辖市) from 1949 to 1983, is an administrative division of the People's Republic of China (PRC), ranking below a province and above a county in China's administrative structure. Prefectural level cities form the second level of the administrative structure (alongside prefectures, leagues and autonomous prefectures). Administrative chiefs (mayors) of prefectural level cities generally have the same rank as a division chief (Chinese: 司长) of a national ministry. Since the 1980s, most former prefectures have been renamed into prefectural level cities.
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For example, mentioned above Handan is a prefectural level city since 1993 only. It was a region and prefecture before it.
Just use Google Earth to see, what percent of Handan "city" square is actually urban.
We know you're an idiot and a bigot. Don't belabor the point.
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The littoral fleet is useless as the new rubber ducky boats all have holes and faulty motorsThe littoral fleet is an artificial reef waiting to happen. A new and bright pile of junkFace It, The Mighty U.S. Aircraft Carrier is Finished | The American Conservative
The first step is acknowledging that in a standoff, it could lose, and badly.
Why A New Study Warns That Aircraft Carriers May Be Obsolete (Thanks To Russia And China)
Inexpensive Russian and Chinese weapons, such as cyberwar and antiship missiles, threaten the West’s reliance on expensive arms such as aircraft carriers.
However is America still wants to invade third World nations like Vietnam and Afghanistan or Somalia a carrier could still be useful. However if the USA attacked China or Russia with a carrier the ship would be sunk in under an hour by land based anti ship missiles that number in the thousands
yep it's true....the carriers are now nothing more that huge targets and there is no way they can defend against the absolute rain of missiles that would find them. However you underestimate the US navy...the Littoral fleet is growing and it is the most deadly thing that has ever taken afloat. China is no match for the US navy and they know it. They are also no match for our cruise missile technologies. Within an hour of sinking an air craft carrier somewhere between 500 and 1000 land based targets would go up in smoke in China...many of them heavy population centers. These would be from missles that are absolutely impossible to stop or intercept.
They know that also. A first wave attack by the US cruise missile assets would produce roughly ten million casualties in China within a few hours.
China would most likely surrender after the first wave...if not then they would have to suffer an even greater second wave attack for which they would have little or no answer....they cannot hit the US with any kind of consistency and even if a few got though it would be a very uneven exchange ....with each exchange China would be largely incapacitated.
JO
The US Navy basically admitted that the Littoral Combat Ship looks like a massive failure
The Navy “may not” deploy any littoral combat ships this year.
The fleet is not a failure....
But the news articles are good consumption for the Chinese intelligence agencies....let them believe that....better for us. You don't show off your successes you hide them.
JO
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