AGW in China: Coldest Winter in 30 years, traps 1,000 ships

[RollingThunder]

A lot of important environmental discussion never takes place because warmists take every possible issue and turn it into a discussion about CO2. It didn't take long before a particularly deluded envirowacko nut case, via cut and paste, tried to make the argument that the cold in china is due to CO2.

Your denial of the facts doesn't change them, no matter how long you hold your breath, little retard. The "cold in China" is, in fact, due to the melt off of the Arctic ice cap that has resulted from the warming caused by the increased CO2 that humans have put into the atmosphere. Just because you're too retarded to understand the science concerning the connection between these things and too politically brainwashed to even try, doesn't mean that the scientific evidence isn't quite real and the conclusions of the scientists aren't quite valid. They are. You're just a delusional nutjob, stooging, possibly without knowing it, for the fossil fuel industry.

Here's some more discussion of the science of the phenomenon of Arctic melting causing fierce winter weather, following the big freeze in Europe last winter.

Science behind the big freeze: is climate change bringing the Arctic to Europe?

A loss of sea ice could be a cause of the bitter winds that have swept across the UK in the past week, weather experts say
The Independent
Steve Connor
04 February 2012
(excerpts)
The bitterly cold weather sweeping Britain and the rest of Europe has been linked by scientists with the ice-free seas of the Arctic, where global warming is exerting its greatest influence. A dramatic loss of sea ice covering the Barents and Kara Seas above northern Russia could explain why a chill Arctic wind has engulfed much of Europe and killed 221 people over the past week. A growing number of experts believe complex wind patterns are being changed because melting Arctic sea ice has exposed huge swaths of normally frozen ocean to the atmosphere above. In particular, the loss of Arctic sea ice could be influencing the development of high-pressure weather systems over northern Russia, which bring very cold winds from the Arctic and Siberia to Western Europe and the British Isles, the scientists believe. An intense anticyclone over north-west Russia is behind the bitterly cold easterly winds that have swept across Europe and some climate scientists say the lack of Arctic sea ice brought about by global warming is responsible.

"The current weather pattern fits earlier predictions of computer models for how the atmosphere responds to the loss of sea ice due to global warming", said Professor Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research. "The ice-free areas of the ocean act like a heater as the water is warmer than the Arctic air above it. This favours the formation of a high-pressure system near the Barents Sea, which steers cold air into Europe". Studies by scientists at the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research have confirmed a link between the loss of Arctic sea ice and the development of high-pressure zones in the polar region, which influence wind patterns at lower latitudes further south. Scientists found that as the cap of sea ice is removed from the ocean, huge amounts of heat are released from the sea into the colder air above, causing the air to rise. Rising air destabilises the atmosphere and alters the difference in air pressure between the Arctic and more southerly regions, changing wind patterns. Professor Rahmstorf said the Alfred Wegener study confirms earlier predictions from computer models by Vladimir Petoukhov of the Potsdam Institute, who forecast colder winters in western Europe as a result of melting sea ice. Dr Petoukhov and his colleague Vladimir Semenov were among the first scientists to suggest a link between the loss of sea ice and colder winters in Europe. Their 2009 study simulated the effects of disappearing sea ice and found that for some years to come the loss will increase the chances of colder winters. "Whoever thinks that the shrinking of some far-away sea ice won't bother him could be wrong. There are complex interconnections in the climate system, and in the Barents-Kara Sea we might have discovered a powerful feedback mechanism", Dr Petoukhov said.


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[skookerasbil]

A lot of important environmental discussion never takes place because warmists take every possible issue and turn it into a discussion about CO2. It didn't take long before a particularly deluded envirowacko nut case, via cut and paste, tried to make the argument that the cold in china is due to CO2.

Your denial of the facts doesn't change them, no matter how long you hold your breath, little retard. The "cold in China" is, in fact, due to the melt off of the Arctic ice cap that has resulted from the warming caused by the increased CO2 that humans have put into the atmosphere. Just because you're too retarded to understand the science concerning the connection between these things and too politically brainwashed to even try, doesn't mean that the scientific evidence isn't quite real and the conclusions of the scientists aren't quite valid. They are. You're just a delusional nutjob, stooging, possibly without knowing it, for the fossil fuel industry.

Opinions are like assholes s0n.......and nobody but nobody is duped about global warming BS when they see giant ships encased in ice. Only the hysterical OCD warmers say, "Oh shit man....this global warming is getting serious!!!"


Right..........but the rest of us are "clueless retards"!!!!

They might give attention to this BS when you see this photo taken on a northern Alaskan lake in the middle of January after a two week run of 60 degree temperatures. Not a moment sooner.

 

[westwall]

Wow, CrazyFruitcake, for once, you actually said something correct, albeit unintentionally correct since you said it with a half-witted sarcastic intent.

China battling deep freeze
Bangkok Post
Published: 01/05/2013
(excerpts)

BEIJING — China is experiencing unusual chills this winter with the national average temperature hitting the lowest in 28 years. Snow and ice have closed highways, cancelled flights, stranded tourists and knocked out power in several provinces. The China Meteorological Administration attributes plunging temperatures partly to southward-moving polar cold fronts, caused by melting polar ice from global warming. It said the air was moist and likely to dump heavy snow in China, Europe and North America.

You have posted some stupid articles here, but this one is the icing on the cake. How stupid have warmers become to believe such blatant idiocy?

Warm air in the arctic is melting the ice and bringing record cold air to china.....and the air from the melted ice (warm enough to melt ice) is causing ice to form in china. Does anyone but you believe this?

In your home, do you switch on the heater if you need to cool down? Someone somewhere (I can't remember who) pegged this claim as invoking the 4th law of moronodynamics which causes cold air to generate spontaneously from warm air....a phenomenon that only happens in climate models.

I can't help but notice that your article identifies the source as the china meterological administration (maybe a janitor there) because not many actual scientists would go on record with such a stupid comment.

I would put you on ignore if watching you thrash about trying to push your religion weren't so entertaining to watch. You have this way of finding the stupidest stuff on the internet and even more hilarious, you believe it.

It takes a particular breed of stupid to believe that sort of nonsense. blunder is an example of "extremely poor cognative skills" as my wife would put it.

 

[westwall]

A lot of important environmental discussion never takes place because warmists take every possible issue and turn it into a discussion about CO2. It didn't take long before a particularly deluded envirowacko nut case, via cut and paste, tried to make the argument that the cold in china is due to CO2.

Your denial of the facts doesn't change them, no matter how long you hold your breath, little retard. The "cold in China" is, in fact, due to the melt off of the Arctic ice cap that has resulted from the warming caused by the increased CO2 that humans have put into the atmosphere. Just because you're too retarded to understand the science concerning the connection between these things and too politically brainwashed to even try, doesn't mean that the scientific evidence isn't quite real and the conclusions of the scientists aren't quite valid. They are. You're just a delusional nutjob, stooging, possibly without knowing it, for the fossil fuel industry.

Here's some more discussion of the science of the phenomenon of Arctic melting causing fierce winter weather, following the big freeze in Europe last winter.

Science behind the big freeze: is climate change bringing the Arctic to Europe?

A loss of sea ice could be a cause of the bitter winds that have swept across the UK in the past week, weather experts say
The Independent
Steve Connor
04 February 2012
(excerpts)
The bitterly cold weather sweeping Britain and the rest of Europe has been linked by scientists with the ice-free seas of the Arctic, where global warming is exerting its greatest influence. A dramatic loss of sea ice covering the Barents and Kara Seas above northern Russia could explain why a chill Arctic wind has engulfed much of Europe and killed 221 people over the past week. A growing number of experts believe complex wind patterns are being changed because melting Arctic sea ice has exposed huge swaths of normally frozen ocean to the atmosphere above. In particular, the loss of Arctic sea ice could be influencing the development of high-pressure weather systems over northern Russia, which bring very cold winds from the Arctic and Siberia to Western Europe and the British Isles, the scientists believe. An intense anticyclone over north-west Russia is behind the bitterly cold easterly winds that have swept across Europe and some climate scientists say the lack of Arctic sea ice brought about by global warming is responsible.

"The current weather pattern fits earlier predictions of computer models for how the atmosphere responds to the loss of sea ice due to global warming", said Professor Stefan Rahmstorf of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research. "The ice-free areas of the ocean act like a heater as the water is warmer than the Arctic air above it. This favours the formation of a high-pressure system near the Barents Sea, which steers cold air into Europe". Studies by scientists at the Alfred Wegener Institute for Polar and Marine Research have confirmed a link between the loss of Arctic sea ice and the development of high-pressure zones in the polar region, which influence wind patterns at lower latitudes further south. Scientists found that as the cap of sea ice is removed from the ocean, huge amounts of heat are released from the sea into the colder air above, causing the air to rise. Rising air destabilises the atmosphere and alters the difference in air pressure between the Arctic and more southerly regions, changing wind patterns. Professor Rahmstorf said the Alfred Wegener study confirms earlier predictions from computer models by Vladimir Petoukhov of the Potsdam Institute, who forecast colder winters in western Europe as a result of melting sea ice. Dr Petoukhov and his colleague Vladimir Semenov were among the first scientists to suggest a link between the loss of sea ice and colder winters in Europe. Their 2009 study simulated the effects of disappearing sea ice and found that for some years to come the loss will increase the chances of colder winters. "Whoever thinks that the shrinking of some far-away sea ice won't bother him could be wrong. There are complex interconnections in the climate system, and in the Barents-Kara Sea we might have discovered a powerful feedback mechanism", Dr Petoukhov said.


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The comments section is particularly interesting with this "story"......

"It's all very well, but only a few years ago the global warmingistas were telling us that we'd never see snow again, thanks to global warming. Basically, if we get mild winters it's due to global warming, and if we get freezing winters it is also due to global warming.

Nobody buys this nonsense anymore, especially those of us who have lived through fluctuations of weather over an extended period. I've lived through the freezing winter of '47, the mostly snowy winters of the '50s, the freeze of '62-63, the mild winters of the '70s, the drought of '76, the freeze of '86, and whatever fluctuations we've had in the last few years (can't even remember 'em, but can remember those older weather events, lol)."


So, let's get this straight, if we get a mild winter it's caused by "Global Warming" and if we get a cold winter it's caused by "Global Warming". If we get an early spring, "global warming", late spring, "gloal warming", etc. However did they explain our weather patterns before this quasi-religion came along.

There will always be global warming as long as the climate scientists are allowed to adjust the temperature data sets going back over a century. They call it homogenizing the data, the rest of the world see it for what it is, climate scientists fiddling the temp records making historical warm periods colder.

In the future the Thames could be frozen over for a year, but give a climate scientist ten minutes with the data and he will be able to prove that 1998 was cooler.

Palm reading requires more skill, but doesn't pay as well or get you as many airmiles.


Thee UK and Europe used to have this type of weather. Look back in history and you will find the Thames was frozen every year.

Suggest its not climate change but weather cycles.

Climate change is a great way for governments to make money and leave you poorer. Remove petrol tax and you would be paying less than 60p a litre and the UK would be booming again.


The last throw of the dice by the Warmists -- claiming that cold weather is caused by Global Warming.

No wonder that nobody listens to them any more.


Didn't take them long, did it?

WAR IS PEACE / FREEDOM IS SLAVERY / IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH / COLD IS HEAT


Global warming deniers ! would they be like holocaust deniers,! I just love the language of the fascists alarmists who promote this twaddle to justify more taxes and totalitarian world government -

There has been NO WARMING for 15 years _ FACT FACT FACT - You,re the denier you fool you are denying reality because it doesn't fit the mind control propaganda you've swallowed as fact.

You've been had!




The OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of comments are like these. In other words WE HAVE CONSENSUS! AGW horsecrap is just that.....SHIT!

 

[KissMy]

...the Arctic has melted away to a fraction of its former size and, for the first time in human history, major shipping routes over the north polar region are opening up in the summer months...

Funny how a 1421 Chinese ship explorers map of the world shows open Arctic Ocean, Florida under water & the Gulf of California extended all the way through Death Valley & divided California from the USA.

 

[there4eyeM]

CO2 isn't a pollutant, numb nuts.

Was CO2 mentioned?

That's what the anthropogenic global warming abracadabra is all about. The cult members claim CO2 is a pollutant. That's what they're referring to whenever they talk about "pollution." Real pollution is well withing acceptable levels in this country.

Do pollutants often contain CO2?

Sleep in a room full of CO2 and then tell me it can't be a pollutant.

Try communicating without that irritating recourse to gratuitously insulting adjectives!

See, you also think it's a pollutant. Here's a clue for you: the breath you exhale contains CO2. Plants need CO2 to live.

OK, for the reading-challenged I'll explain it more clearly.

ALL pollution is relative.

Yes, humans exhale CO2, AS WASTE! CO2 in elevated quantities will cause death. You want to change the word from 'pollution' to 'poison'?

Yes, green plants take in CO2 during the day and exude it at night. That's why Ronald Reagan commented to reporters once while flying over a forest the trees pollute! But these plants give earth its oxygen.

 

[SSDD]

Your denial of the facts doesn't change them, no matter how long you hold your breath, little retard.

Being a cut and paste wank, I don't expect for you to actually be able to discuss the topic but if you can, please describe the physics that change winds warm enough to melt ice at the poles into winds cold enough to freeze a nation at a lower, warmer lattitude. And don't bother pointing to your idiot post, because they don't attempt to describe the physics either. They simply state it is true and assume that their willing drones will spread it as widely as possible.

 

[Old Rocks]

Your denial of the facts doesn't change them, no matter how long you hold your breath, little retard.

Being a cut and paste wank, I don't expect for you to actually be able to discuss the topic but if you can, please describe the physics that change winds warm enough to melt ice at the poles into winds cold enough to freeze a nation at a lower, warmer lattitude. And don't bother pointing to your idiot post, because they don't attempt to describe the physics either. They simply state it is true and assume that their willing drones will spread it as widely as possible.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtRvcXUIyZg]Weather and Climate Summit - Day 5, Jennifer Francis - YouTube[/ame]

Done

 

[uscitizen]

Some cannot understand the concept of global.
It is cold at my house can't be any stinkin global warming.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Your denial of the facts doesn't change them, no matter how long you hold your breath, little retard.

Being a cut and paste wank, I don't expect for you to actually be able to discuss the topic but if you can, please describe the physics that change winds warm enough to melt ice at the poles into winds cold enough to freeze a nation at a lower, warmer lattitude. And don't bother pointing to your idiot post, because they don't attempt to describe the physics either. They simply state it is true and assume that their willing drones will spread it as widely as possible.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtRvcXUIyZg]Weather and Climate Summit - Day 5, Jennifer Francis - YouTube[/ame]

Done

AGW Tourettes

 

[GHook93]

Global Warming strikes again, send China into the freezer

You expect this from manmade Global Warming, it's right there in the model:

Warmer = AGW
Colder = AGW

Can I get an amen? (Peer reivew)

China chills hit 28-year low, trapping ships in ice | Reuters

China chills hit 28-year low, trapping ships in ice

SHANGHAI | Sat Jan 5, 2013 4:00am EST
Jan 5 (Reuters) - Temperatures in China have plunged to their lowest in almost three decades, cold enough to freeze coastal waters and trap 1,000 ships in ice, official media said at the weekend.

Since late November the country has shivered at an average of minus 3.8 degrees Celsius, 1.3 degrees colder than the previous average, and the chilliest in 28 years, state news agency Xinhua said on Saturday, citing the China Meteorological Administration.

No Frank when temps get colder than normal the name gets flopped to Climate Change, so China's coldest winter in 3 decades is climate change no? But in the US it's global warming because it's a warm winter.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Global Warming strikes again, send China into the freezer

You expect this from manmade Global Warming, it's right there in the model:

Warmer = AGW
Colder = AGW

Can I get an amen? (Peer reivew)

China chills hit 28-year low, trapping ships in ice | Reuters

China chills hit 28-year low, trapping ships in ice

SHANGHAI | Sat Jan 5, 2013 4:00am EST
Jan 5 (Reuters) - Temperatures in China have plunged to their lowest in almost three decades, cold enough to freeze coastal waters and trap 1,000 ships in ice, official media said at the weekend.

Since late November the country has shivered at an average of minus 3.8 degrees Celsius, 1.3 degrees colder than the previous average, and the chilliest in 28 years, state news agency Xinhua said on Saturday, citing the China Meteorological Administration.

No Frank when temps get colder than normal the name gets flopped to Climate Change, so China's coldest winter in 3 decades is climate change no? But in the US it's global warming because it's a warm winter.

Or "Climate Disruption", which was the rage for a few weeks

See when the science is so solid, you can change the name and basic premises without a second thought as to the embarrassment any real scientist would feel.

I suggest that they're dealing with the twin forces of Global WarmerCoolering and Global CoolerWarmering. I have computer models to prove it too.

Warmer = AGW
Cooler = AGW.

See?

 

[there4eyeM]

Global warming(or chose the wording you like) or no global warming(or chose the wording you like), it is difficult to defend spewing toxicity into the elements we all share from, but not in.

 

[SSDD]

Your denial of the facts doesn't change them, no matter how long you hold your breath, little retard.

Being a cut and paste wank, I don't expect for you to actually be able to discuss the topic but if you can, please describe the physics that change winds warm enough to melt ice at the poles into winds cold enough to freeze a nation at a lower, warmer lattitude. And don't bother pointing to your idiot post, because they don't attempt to describe the physics either. They simply state it is true and assume that their willing drones will spread it as widely as possible.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtRvcXUIyZg]Weather and Climate Summit - Day 5, Jennifer Francis - YouTube[/ame]

Done

And what was it in that very poor comedy routine that was suppose to explain the physics that would change warm arctic air into freezing air in china?

 

[westwall]

Was CO2 mentioned?

That's what the anthropogenic global warming abracadabra is all about. The cult members claim CO2 is a pollutant. That's what they're referring to whenever they talk about "pollution." Real pollution is well withing acceptable levels in this country.

Do pollutants often contain CO2?

Sleep in a room full of CO2 and then tell me it can't be a pollutant.

Try communicating without that irritating recourse to gratuitously insulting adjectives!

See, you also think it's a pollutant. Here's a clue for you: the breath you exhale contains CO2. Plants need CO2 to live.

OK, for the reading-challenged I'll explain it more clearly.

ALL pollution is relative.

Yes, humans exhale CO2, AS WASTE! CO2 in elevated quantities will cause death. You want to change the word from 'pollution' to 'poison'?

Yes, green plants take in CO2 during the day and exude it at night. That's why Ronald Reagan commented to reporters once while flying over a forest the trees pollute! But these plants give earth its oxygen.

Wrong. If you replace all air with pure CO2 you will not get the O2 that you need to live. It is not a poison, you have simply replaced the air you need with a different gas that's all. A poison will kill you because it is inherently toxic. They measure poisons in terms of their LD 50 where 50 percent of those affected will die at a particular level.

Here is a list that shows some of the LD 50 values for various toxins.

More LD50 examples

CO2 has no LD 50 value. It is known to be a very powerful cerebral vasodilator when inhaled in extremely high concentrations (above 70% by volume) but other than that it has no known synergistic effects with anything.

 

[westwall]

Your denial of the facts doesn't change them, no matter how long you hold your breath, little retard.

Being a cut and paste wank, I don't expect for you to actually be able to discuss the topic but if you can, please describe the physics that change winds warm enough to melt ice at the poles into winds cold enough to freeze a nation at a lower, warmer lattitude. And don't bother pointing to your idiot post, because they don't attempt to describe the physics either. They simply state it is true and assume that their willing drones will spread it as widely as possible.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtRvcXUIyZg]Weather and Climate Summit - Day 5, Jennifer Francis - YouTube[/ame]

Done

Help, help I've fallen and can't get up!

 

[Katzndogz]

If it's cold, it's global warming. If it's warm it's global warming. If it rains, yes global warming. If it doesn't rain, global warming again. This is a belief that mankind through it's actions controls the weather. Rain should fall, but measured and gently. If it doesn't it's our fault. Too much snow, put your car in the garage, don't drive it and the snow will stop falling and melt away. Except if it melts away, it's because you drove your car. Now it's the curse of mud.

This is exactly the same kind of thinking that was available when virgins were being sacrificed to bring a good harvest. Kill a pig, bring the rain. Too much rain, time to kill a goat to make it stop. Only it's not pigs and goats, it's cars and washing machines.

The more civilized we become, the more like savages we are.

 

[Dubya]

Global Warming strikes again, send China into the freezer

You expect this from manmade Global Warming, it's right there in the model:

Warmer = AGW
Colder = AGW

Can I get an amen? (Peer reivew)

China chills hit 28-year low, trapping ships in ice | Reuters

China chills hit 28-year low, trapping ships in ice

SHANGHAI | Sat Jan 5, 2013 4:00am EST
Jan 5 (Reuters) - Temperatures in China have plunged to their lowest in almost three decades, cold enough to freeze coastal waters and trap 1,000 ships in ice, official media said at the weekend.

Since late November the country has shivered at an average of minus 3.8 degrees Celsius, 1.3 degrees colder than the previous average, and the chilliest in 28 years, state news agency Xinhua said on Saturday, citing the China Meteorological Administration.

I guess the idea of stalling the jet stream is too much for a Denialista to understand. They're still stuck on that 1 + 1 = 2 concept. If it's so cold, is it cold in the arctic?

What happens to our planet when the temperature difference between the tropics and the poles is changed. Do you think I just like my world cold, like a witch's tit?

You fucking goofballs have nothing better to do than lie on the internet.

The world will have exceptional weather, so get used to it. How many years has your retarded ass been told this will happen? Of course, life will go on and life will keep going on, even when we destroy 90% of the species on Earth. I'd say don't try to tell God what a great steward we were, because we suck at doing the job!

 

[there4eyeM]

That's what the anthropogenic global warming abracadabra is all about. The cult members claim CO2 is a pollutant. That's what they're referring to whenever they talk about "pollution." Real pollution is well withing acceptable levels in this country.



See, you also think it's a pollutant. Here's a clue for you: the breath you exhale contains CO2. Plants need CO2 to live.

OK, for the reading-challenged I'll explain it more clearly.

ALL pollution is relative.

Yes, humans exhale CO2, AS WASTE! CO2 in elevated quantities will cause death. You want to change the word from 'pollution' to 'poison'?

Yes, green plants take in CO2 during the day and exude it at night. That's why Ronald Reagan commented to reporters once while flying over a forest the trees pollute! But these plants give earth its oxygen.

Wrong. If you replace all air with pure CO2 you will not get the O2 that you need to live. It is not a poison, you have simply replaced the air you need with a different gas that's all. A poison will kill you because it is inherently toxic. They measure poisons in terms of their LD 50 where 50 percent of those affected will die at a particular level.

Here is a list that shows some of the LD 50 values for various toxins.

More LD50 examples

CO2 has no LD 50 value. It is known to be a very powerful cerebral vasodilator when inhaled in extremely high concentrations (above 70% by volume) but other than that it has no known synergistic effects with anything.

Arguing that a poison is not a poison is laughable. What is the definition of poison? A substance that interrupts the body's normal functions enough to cause death?

A quote from Wikipedia: "In the context of biology, poisons are substances that cause disturbances to organisms,[1] usually by chemical reaction or other activity on the molecular scale, when a sufficient quantity is absorbed by an organism."

When one gets so caught up on a word that triggers a special response, one is weakened. His/her vision is distorted. To automatically react to 'CO2' as leftist is far out there.

 

[SSDD]

When one gets so caught up on a word that triggers a special response, one is weakened. His/her vision is distorted. To automatically react to 'CO2' as leftist is far out there.

You do understand, don't you that if we burned all of the fossil fuel on earth, and all of the wood, and anything else that could release CO2, when it was all burned, we still wouldn't have brought the atmospheric CO2 level up to a number that would represent a danger to breathe?

Why go on about CO2 being a poison when there isn't enough material on earth to create toxic levels in the atmosphere?