Ademo Freeman Speaks From Jail – Prisons/Jails: The Modern Day Slave Plantations

[Buck111]

Ademo Freeman Speaks From Jail – Prisons/Jails: The Modern Day Slave Plantations


Most believe slavery was abolished, but I would argue that it was merely altered and disguised with new words.

“Slave” was replaced with “citizen” and is no longer restricted to the color of one’s skin. Plantations are now called “Correctional Facilities,” “jails,” or “prisons.” Land owners (or slave owners), which were individuals have been replaced with government entities; like the city, county, or federal government that claims said territory.

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[emilynghiem]

Ademo Freeman Speaks From Jail – Prisons/Jails: The Modern Day Slave Plantations


Most believe slavery was abolished, but I would argue that it was merely altered and disguised with new words.

“Slave” was replaced with “citizen” and is no longer restricted to the color of one’s skin. Plantations are now called “Correctional Facilities,” “jails,” or “prisons.” Land owners (or slave owners), which were individuals have been replaced with government entities; like the city, county, or federal government that claims said territory.

Read more Ademo Freeman Speaks From Jail - Prisons/Jails: The Modern Day Slave Plantations | Cop Block

Thanks Buck111
sounds like the New Jim Crow:
The New Jim Crow - Wikipedia

The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness is a book by Michelle Alexander, a civil rights litigator and legal scholar. The book discusses race-related issues specific to African-American males and mass incarceration in the United States, but Alexander notes that the discrimination faced by African-American males is prevalent among other minorities and socio-economically disadvantaged populations. Alexander's central premise, from which the book derives its title, is that "mass incarceration is, metaphorically, the New Jim Crow"

 

[Skull Pilot]

Don't want to be a "slave" in prison?

Don't get arrested and convicted of a crime

it really is that easy

 

[fncceo]

Anarchist bikers ... standing up to 'the man'

 

[SavannahMann]

Don't want to be a "slave" in prison?

Don't get arrested and convicted of a crime

it really is that easy

So tell me why Norway has a lower criminal rate and lower recidivism rate with far more humane prisons?

Why Norway's prison system is so successful

 

[Skull Pilot]

Don't want to be a "slave" in prison?

Don't get arrested and convicted of a crime

it really is that easy

So tell me why Norway has a lower criminal rate and lower recidivism rate with far more humane prisons?

Why Norway's prison system is so successful

I really don't care since I don't live in Norway and the same advice holds true

If you don't want to end up in prison anywhere don't get arrested and convicted of a crime

 

[SavannahMann]

Don't want to be a "slave" in prison?

Don't get arrested and convicted of a crime

it really is that easy

So tell me why Norway has a lower criminal rate and lower recidivism rate with far more humane prisons?

Why Norway's prison system is so successful

I really don't care since I don't live in Norway and the same advice holds true

If you don't want to end up in prison anywhere don't get arrested and convicted of a crime

Norway has a 20% recidivism rate. One out of five who get out of prison go back. We have a 75% rate. Three out of four go back into prison. This costs us billions every year. Costs of the prison, the corrections officers or guards if you like. The food and costs of the courts. All for a system that does not work. If it worked then the recidivism rate would be lower.

One truism from the Military is this. If it is stupid but works it isn't stupid. The convex is also true. If it is smart and doesn't work it isn't smart.

It costs us, the taxpayers more than $74 billion a year to maintain the prisons. That means every man, woman, and child pays $246 each just for the prisons. Prisons that are not the deterrent that we were told they were. Prisons that do not scare the people into a life free of crime in other words. Again, that is just the prisons. That does not include the courts, lawyers, prosecutors, and jurors. That is just the warehouses where we send criminals to get their masters degree in crime.

The Economics of the American Prison System | SmartAsset.com

So why isn't it working? I mean you have a simple answer so why isn't the simple answer working? We have more than 700 per 100,000 in prison right now and it still isn't dissuading people from crime. We can't seem to isolate the criminal infection. Why not? Getting tough doesn't seem to be working. Pink jumpsuits and tents didn't work.

If what you are doing isn't working, you can do a few different things. You can double down on your original plan. Communist believe that the reason it has failed every time it has been tried is because it wasn't big enough. They double down on the discredited theory despite the evidence to the contrary. Yes you are as stubborn and wrong as they are.

If it isn't working figure out why and fix it. Demanding that we stay the course that is obviously not working is just stubborn pride and stupidity. Gun Bans don't work, so why continue with them? The believers think the bans just weren't big enough. We weren't tough enough on it. Pfui.

Staying the current course is just stupid. If you refuse to even consider that then what does it make you?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Don't want to be a "slave" in prison?

Don't get arrested and convicted of a crime

it really is that easy

So tell me why Norway has a lower criminal rate and lower recidivism rate with far more humane prisons?

Why Norway's prison system is so successful

I really don't care since I don't live in Norway and the same advice holds true

If you don't want to end up in prison anywhere don't get arrested and convicted of a crime

Norway has a 20% recidivism rate. One out of five who get out of prison go back. We have a 75% rate. Three out of four go back into prison. This costs us billions every year. Costs of the prison, the corrections officers or guards if you like. The food and costs of the courts. All for a system that does not work. If it worked then the recidivism rate would be lower.

One truism from the Military is this. If it is stupid but works it isn't stupid. The convex is also true. If it is smart and doesn't work it isn't smart.

It costs us, the taxpayers more than $74 billion a year to maintain the prisons. That means every man, woman, and child pays $246 each just for the prisons. Prisons that are not the deterrent that we were told they were. Prisons that do not scare the people into a life free of crime in other words. Again, that is just the prisons. That does not include the courts, lawyers, prosecutors, and jurors. That is just the warehouses where we send criminals to get their masters degree in crime.

The Economics of the American Prison System | SmartAsset.com

So why isn't it working? I mean you have a simple answer so why isn't the simple answer working? We have more than 700 per 100,000 in prison right now and it still isn't dissuading people from crime. We can't seem to isolate the criminal infection. Why not? Getting tough doesn't seem to be working. Pink jumpsuits and tents didn't work.

If what you are doing isn't working, you can do a few different things. You can double down on your original plan. Communist believe that the reason it has failed every time it has been tried is because it wasn't big enough. They double down on the discredited theory despite the evidence to the contrary. Yes you are as stubborn and wrong as they are.

If it isn't working figure out why and fix it. Demanding that we stay the course that is obviously not working is just stubborn pride and stupidity. Gun Bans don't work, so why continue with them? The believers think the bans just weren't big enough. We weren't tough enough on it. Pfui.

Staying the current course is just stupid. If you refuse to even consider that then what does it make you?

what's any of that got to do with not getting arrested in the first place?

 

[Iceweasel]

So tell me why Norway has a lower criminal rate and lower recidivism rate with far more humane prisons?

Fewer assholes over there?

Prisoners should be forced to work, not workout or lounge around on our dime. Make them earn their keep.

 

[petro]

So I am supposed to feel guilty because some POS decided they were above the law and civil decency and committed crimes against society. Bullshit.
The left killed personal responsibility, so if a low life ends up incarcerated it must be someone else fault.
If anything enslaves blacks its actually the welfare state. That led to the loss of individualism and personal responsibility.

 

[Defiant1]

Don't want to be a "slave" in prison?

Don't get arrested and convicted of a crime

it really is that easy

So tell me why Norway has a lower criminal rate and lower recidivism rate with far more humane prisons?

Why Norway's prison system is so successful

I really don't care since I don't live in Norway and the same advice holds true

If you don't want to end up in prison anywhere don't get arrested and convicted of a crime

Norway has a 20% recidivism rate. One out of five who get out of prison go back. We have a 75% rate. Three out of four go back into prison. This costs us billions every year. Costs of the prison, the corrections officers or guards if you like. The food and costs of the courts. All for a system that does not work. If it worked then the recidivism rate would be lower.

One truism from the Military is this. If it is stupid but works it isn't stupid. The convex is also true. If it is smart and doesn't work it isn't smart.

It costs us, the taxpayers more than $74 billion a year to maintain the prisons. That means every man, woman, and child pays $246 each just for the prisons. Prisons that are not the deterrent that we were told they were. Prisons that do not scare the people into a life free of crime in other words. Again, that is just the prisons. That does not include the courts, lawyers, prosecutors, and jurors. That is just the warehouses where we send criminals to get their masters degree in crime.

The Economics of the American Prison System | SmartAsset.com

So why isn't it working? I mean you have a simple answer so why isn't the simple answer working? We have more than 700 per 100,000 in prison right now and it still isn't dissuading people from crime. We can't seem to isolate the criminal infection. Why not? Getting tough doesn't seem to be working. Pink jumpsuits and tents didn't work.

If what you are doing isn't working, you can do a few different things. You can double down on your original plan. Communist believe that the reason it has failed every time it has been tried is because it wasn't big enough. They double down on the discredited theory despite the evidence to the contrary. Yes you are as stubborn and wrong as they are.

If it isn't working figure out why and fix it. Demanding that we stay the course that is obviously not working is just stubborn pride and stupidity. Gun Bans don't work, so why continue with them? The believers think the bans just weren't big enough. We weren't tough enough on it. Pfui.

Staying the current course is just stupid. If you refuse to even consider that then what does it make you?

The prisons are too nice.
Hell I bet for most of the inmates it's better than home.

 

[esthermoon]

Don't want to be a "slave" in prison?

Don't get arrested and convicted of a crime

it really is that easy

So tell me why Norway has a lower criminal rate and lower recidivism rate with far more humane prisons?

Why Norway's prison system is so successful

But Norway's criminal system has some horrible flaws.
For example they don't have life imprisonment, that's why Ander Breivik the man that killed almost 69 persons got only 21 years in prison.
21 years for 69 victims

 

[SavannahMann]

So I am supposed to feel guilty because some POS decided they were above the law and civil decency and committed crimes against society. Bullshit.
The left killed personal responsibility, so if a low life ends up incarcerated it must be someone else fault.
If anything enslaves blacks its actually the welfare state. That led to the loss of individualism and personal responsibility.

So the failing system that is expensive and obviously not working with 75% of the inmates returning to prison is just a failure of some other programs. You realize you sound like those idiots who swear that banning guns will end crime. Despite the fact it hasn't worked in any city or state it's been tried in, the excuse for its failure is always some other outside influence instead of a incorrect basis for the theory.

Or perhaps the idiots who swear that the Socialist/Communist plan would work if it was tried in a larger example. Whole nations and regions just isn't big enough. The theory is sound they insist despite it failing in every single instance it has been tried in. See Venezuela for the most recent example of this failure.

What is the goal of prison? Is it to punish someone? If so then the social responsibility is to forgive those who have completed their punishment. Is it to merely remove the baddies from society? Then every crime must have a life sentence attached to it. With 75% of the inmates returning to prison it essentially is anyway.

Is it intended as a deterrent? If so it is obviously failing with the highest incarceration rate in the world. People aren't afraid of prison despite the fact that they are only marginally better than second world hell holes.

For each of these purposes the current system is failing.

So what do you suggest? More of the same? Longer sentences with correspondingly higher taxes to support this prison economy?

Perhaps if we double down on this we can break the jinx of the double down. Granted nothing we have ever doubled down on in history has worked out but this time it will be different.

Or we could look at what works in other examples and test it to see if we can get some success out of it. Perhaps we could get our numbers down to 50% which would save how many billions of dollars a year? Perhaps we can figure out a better way. But we will never do that until or unless we realize the current path is failing.

That isn't liberal bullshit. That is realist common sense applied to the problem.

Monty Python did the sketch where the king was explaining that he built a castle in the swamp. The first one sank into the swamp. The second one sank into the swamp. The third one burned, fell over, and then sank into the swamp.

How many times are you going to build a castle in the swamp before you figure out it is a bad idea?

 

[SavannahMann]

Don't want to be a "slave" in prison?

Don't get arrested and convicted of a crime

it really is that easy

So tell me why Norway has a lower criminal rate and lower recidivism rate with far more humane prisons?

Why Norway's prison system is so successful

But Norway's criminal system has some horrible flaws.
For example they don't have life imprisonment, that's why Ander Breivik the man that killed almost 69 persons got only 21 years in prison.
21 years for 69 victims

I don't propose we copy it exactly. My suggestion would be some testing. Take first offenders and put them into facilities modeled on the Norwegian system. See what the results are. Experiment and see what works and what doesn't. If we can reduce the recidivism rate from 75% to 50% then we are doing well. I don't think a Norwegian style prison would be appropriate for every convicted criminal. But it might work on some, and we might save some lives and money in the long run. Perhaps we cut the recidivism rate by a third or so.

I do not believe there is a one size fits all solution to anything. But if we do nothing, we lose everything. If we risk a little we stand to gain a little. We know this system is broken. We know that people who are in essence petty criminals come out of prison hard core criminals. We know that prison is usually nothing more than a graduate course on criminality. Doing nothing leaves that as the one size fits all answer. Again one size never fits all.

 

[SavannahMann]

So tell me why Norway has a lower criminal rate and lower recidivism rate with far more humane prisons?

Fewer assholes over there?

Prisoners should be forced to work, not workout or lounge around on our dime. Make them earn their keep.

And that technique has demonstrated that it works wonders. Oh wait, it hasn't. In fact, it has led to this very situation we are discussing, the 75% recidivism rate. So harsh prisons don't seem to work, otherwise second and third world nations would be crime free. Harsh penalties don't seem to work or Muslim nations that practice Sharia would be crime free.

How about this, we look at what appears to be working for ideas since the ones you propose are thoroughly discredited by empirical evidence.

 

[esthermoon]

So tell me why Norway has a lower criminal rate and lower recidivism rate with far more humane prisons?

Fewer assholes over there?

Prisoners should be forced to work, not workout or lounge around on our dime. Make them earn their keep.

And that technique has demonstrated that it works wonders. Oh wait, it hasn't. In fact, it has led to this very situation we are discussing, the 75% recidivism rate. So harsh prisons don't seem to work, otherwise second and third world nations would be crime free. Harsh penalties don't seem to work or Muslim nations that practice Sharia would be crime free.

How about this, we look at what appears to be working for ideas since the ones you propose are thoroughly discredited by empirical evidence.

You're right about harsh penalties SavannahMann.
Unfortunately any penalty is not a real deterrent. You can find somebody committing a crime even if you have life imprisonment or death for every crime
If you have harsh penalties there's no deterrent, if you have mild punishment criminals are happy for that...
It's a vicious circle

 

[SavannahMann]

Don't want to be a "slave" in prison?

Don't get arrested and convicted of a crime

it really is that easy

So tell me why Norway has a lower criminal rate and lower recidivism rate with far more humane prisons?

Why Norway's prison system is so successful

I really don't care since I don't live in Norway and the same advice holds true

If you don't want to end up in prison anywhere don't get arrested and convicted of a crime

Norway has a 20% recidivism rate. One out of five who get out of prison go back. We have a 75% rate. Three out of four go back into prison. This costs us billions every year. Costs of the prison, the corrections officers or guards if you like. The food and costs of the courts. All for a system that does not work. If it worked then the recidivism rate would be lower.

One truism from the Military is this. If it is stupid but works it isn't stupid. The convex is also true. If it is smart and doesn't work it isn't smart.

It costs us, the taxpayers more than $74 billion a year to maintain the prisons. That means every man, woman, and child pays $246 each just for the prisons. Prisons that are not the deterrent that we were told they were. Prisons that do not scare the people into a life free of crime in other words. Again, that is just the prisons. That does not include the courts, lawyers, prosecutors, and jurors. That is just the warehouses where we send criminals to get their masters degree in crime.

The Economics of the American Prison System | SmartAsset.com

So why isn't it working? I mean you have a simple answer so why isn't the simple answer working? We have more than 700 per 100,000 in prison right now and it still isn't dissuading people from crime. We can't seem to isolate the criminal infection. Why not? Getting tough doesn't seem to be working. Pink jumpsuits and tents didn't work.

If what you are doing isn't working, you can do a few different things. You can double down on your original plan. Communist believe that the reason it has failed every time it has been tried is because it wasn't big enough. They double down on the discredited theory despite the evidence to the contrary. Yes you are as stubborn and wrong as they are.

If it isn't working figure out why and fix it. Demanding that we stay the course that is obviously not working is just stubborn pride and stupidity. Gun Bans don't work, so why continue with them? The believers think the bans just weren't big enough. We weren't tough enough on it. Pfui.

Staying the current course is just stupid. If you refuse to even consider that then what does it make you?

The prisons are too nice.
Hell I bet for most of the inmates it's better than home.

Yeah. Um. Have you been to a prison? That Sheriff tried tent cities and had the prisoners wearing Pink Jumpsuits in the Desert. Yet, for some reason, crime didn't just evaporate. I'm assuming you don't think that tents in the desert in summer are too nice for the crooks.

 

[SavannahMann]

So tell me why Norway has a lower criminal rate and lower recidivism rate with far more humane prisons?

Fewer assholes over there?

Prisoners should be forced to work, not workout or lounge around on our dime. Make them earn their keep.

And that technique has demonstrated that it works wonders. Oh wait, it hasn't. In fact, it has led to this very situation we are discussing, the 75% recidivism rate. So harsh prisons don't seem to work, otherwise second and third world nations would be crime free. Harsh penalties don't seem to work or Muslim nations that practice Sharia would be crime free.

How about this, we look at what appears to be working for ideas since the ones you propose are thoroughly discredited by empirical evidence.

You're right about harsh penalties SavannahMann.
Unfortunately any penalty is not a real deterrent. You can find somebody committing a crime even if you have life imprisonment or death for every crime
If you have harsh penalties there's no deterrent, if you have mild punishment criminals are happy for that...
It's a vicious circle

Well we can't ever end crime. Star Trek even had incurable criminals locked up. Kirk was taken prisoner by the prisoners as I recall. So we will have to have some sort of long term prisons for some, because they just won't change.

But those who will, those who can learn, who can be rehabilitated shouldn't be put into the same cages as those incurables. Then those who can learn will learn, how to be complete criminals. They will exit prison with a graduate degree in criminal mentality. Scared Straight doesn't work.

We can save some, and by doing so reduce our incarcerated population, and the cost to the taxpayers. Or we can continue the revolving door mentality that has the petty criminals come out, and go right back in for an even more serious crime.

 

[fncceo]

I'm assuming you don't think that tents in the desert in summer are too nice for the crooks.

Depends on the tent

 

[Buck111]

Don't want to be a "slave" in prison?

Don't get arrested and convicted of a crime

it really is that easy

NO,it is not that easy. Are you aware that you commit 3 felonies every day without knowing it? This means you probably also commit tens of misdemeanor and rule violations (infractions) every day. Do you think you should be ticketed for a tag light being out when it is not a danger to others? Do you know the #1 reason cops stop you is not because you have a tag light out, it is because they are looking for something more serious to charge you with? It doesn't matter how minor the violation, cops will nearly always ask to search your car. This search is not for your protection, it is a hunt for something they can arrest you for.