Achievement Gap in Schools - Highlighting the Obvious

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    Students' test scores divided by achievement gap in New Jersey - pressofAtlanticCity.com: Breaking News

    Well Mr. Anderson, believe it or not, there is plenty of debate on that correlation.

    Righties claim that the biggest factors are teachers, tenure, and accountability.
    Lefties claim poor kids in poor schools just need more money.
    The teachers claim they need more parental involvement.

    The irony is that Wildwood gets more money than any school in the community. The teachers START over $50K with a bachelor's degree.

    Schools are simply a microcosm of the larger community. Parents who support education generally have good schools and vice versa.

    I don't know what the solution is, but I do know that no amount of testing, firing, or money will make Wildwood's test scores go up. Those parents need jobs. Period.
     
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    Parents who support education generally have childen that do well whether the school itself is bad.
     
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    Yep. So we either accept that or try to change it. But any discussion of school reform is BS, without acknowledging that "inconvenient truth".
     
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    Our educational system has been sabotaged, Progressives need those poor inner city results and would rather burn the system down than accept true reform
     
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    It's doubtful any kind of reform would help. There is no kind of reform that could be taken that would make parents want their children to do well. Or make the students want to improve.
     
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    students get a large portion of their intelligence from their parents genetically. the same goes for many personal characteristics. the original environmental and cultural effects also are dependant on parents.

    if the parents do not show the intelligence and character to give their children a strong start in life, why do we think their children will do any better than their parents? the reality is that children grow up to resemble their parents in many ways. sure there is variation but overall it stands up pretty well. smart parents produce smart children, smart parents are more successful and are more able to surround their children with an environment and culture that passes along the characteristics that produce success. vicious or virtuous circle, depending on what side you are on.

    intelligence is a predictor for just about every social trait and the small effects in every decision you make everyday adds up over a lifetime to a large bonus for being smart.
     
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    Very true. But too many parents do not value the public education system or are simply not able to help.

    I.E. One middle school in our district is in an area where 80% of the parents are functionally illiterate.
     
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    ...because they went to the same public school when they were younger and are loyal, dependable Democrat Party voters
     
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    I've often wondered from which school you graduated.
     
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    You hit the nail (no one wants to admit it exists) directly on the head.
     

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