Zone1 about John the baptist

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Jesus was certainly influenced by Pharisaic thought.

According to a report by Broadview Magazine, Jesus was not a Pharisee like Saul was 123. While Jesus’ education would have certainly been influenced by Pharisaic thought, including Hillel, one of the criticisms of Jesus by His opponents was that He was a common outsider, not a formally trained scholar 34. Saul, on the other hand, was a Pharisee and a highly educated scholar of Jewish law 5. He was known for his strict adherence to the law and his persecution of early Christians 5.

,,, the Pharisees were a Jewish social movement and a school of thought in the Levant during the time of Second Temple Judaism 1. They believed in the resurrection of the dead, the coming of the Messiah, and the importance of following Jewish law 1.

On the other hand, a Nazarite was a person who took a vow to separate themselves from the world and dedicate themselves to God 2. The vow included abstaining from wine and other fermented drinks, not cutting one’s hair, and avoiding contact with dead bodies 2.

While both the Pharisees and the Nazarites were Jewish groups that emphasized the importance of following Jewish law, they differed in their approach. The Pharisees were a social movement that sought to reform Jewish society from within, while the Nazarites were individuals who took a vow to separate themselves from society 12.

 

[luiza]

Why do you claim they were Essenes?

Everything from Qumran sources makes it abundantly clear that the Gospel stories emanate from the Essene culture .
The two families , Elizabeth and Zacharias with their son John , and Mary and Joseph with their son Jesus , were from the Nazarene sect and therefore Essene .

 

[surada]

The Cult Christians hate being reminded that both John and Jesus were Essene Priests and Zealots
Like our Palestine Freedom Fighters -- They wanted Freedom and finally were prepared to resort to violence to achieve it .

Do you really think the Zealots used to go around saying :-
"And the first shall be last "
And, " Ask and it will be given " ?

That level of sentimental drivel is one reason that "Nice" and sanitised Cult Christianity is fast disappearing .
That is , you have to be rather simple to believe it .

Jesus was an Essene and Nazareth did not Exist.

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[norwegen]

Jesus was certainly influenced by Pharisaic thought.

According to a report by Broadview Magazine, Jesus was not a Pharisee like Saul was 123. While Jesus’ education would have certainly been influenced by Pharisaic thought, including Hillel, one of the criticisms of Jesus by His opponents was that He was a common outsider, not a formally trained scholar 34. Saul, on the other hand, was a Pharisee and a highly educated scholar of Jewish law 5. He was known for his strict adherence to the law and his persecution of early Christians 5.

,,, the Pharisees were a Jewish social movement and a school of thought in the Levant during the time of Second Temple Judaism 1. They believed in the resurrection of the dead, the coming of the Messiah, and the importance of following Jewish law 1.

On the other hand, a Nazarite was a person who took a vow to separate themselves from the world and dedicate themselves to God 2. The vow included abstaining from wine and other fermented drinks, not cutting one’s hair, and avoiding contact with dead bodies 2.

While both the Pharisees and the Nazarites were Jewish groups that emphasized the importance of following Jewish law, they differed in their approach. The Pharisees were a social movement that sought to reform Jewish society from within, while the Nazarites were individuals who took a vow to separate themselves from society 12.

This tells us that Jesus was not a Pharisee. Jesus did not join the Pharisees in any of their alleged reformation objectives. On the contrary, Jesus opposed the Pharisees, and even threatened to slaughter them.

 

[irosie91]

Try talking sense in that case .

He was a right wing ( modern parlance) Essene priest .
A zealot .
Which is why both Rome and Jerusalem had him as their most wanted .
Far more influential than his cousin beforen he mislaid his head .
His cousin was an Essene monk who effectively replaced him .


Try quoting other real sources

not quite---John Mikveh man was cousin to Jesus. Both were Pharisees and, therefore
enemies of Rome and the minions of Rome. The source is called "the new testament"
The Essenes were also ---most likely, Pharisees who had fled Rome infected Judea
to isolated enclaves in the desert. John, mikveh man, is consistent with the kind of
people who fled into the desert and developed commune type living---but there is
no clear evidence that either of the cousins had been in an essene commune

 

[surada]

Yet History and not some silly holy screed, shows he was a dime a dozen. Many like him proclaiming Biblical nonsense in those times.

Perhaps. They didn't write about all those others.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Perhaps. They didn't write about all those others.

We know they existed because -- People did write about it. But there was no large cult-of-personality to keep them and their stories going.

Reminds me of people who believe Paul Revere did so much -- when it was other riders. We know more about Revere because of his salesmanship, and his family with the cult-of-personality that grew up around him.

 

[surada]

Everything from Qumran sources makes it abundantly clear that the Gospel stories emanate from the Essene culture .
The two families , Elizabeth and Zacharias with their son John , and Mary and Joseph with their son Jesus , were from the Nazarene sect and therefore Essene .

The Dead Sea scrolls weren't written by the Essenes... they were just stored in the caves at Qumran.
Why do you think the Nazarenes and Essenes were the same?