A Serious Question about the GOP and the Tea Party

[Seawytch]

Perhaps you should visit there sites . They explain quite clearly they work through democrats.

LOL...right. You aren't even trying...

Wanna bet Stormfront supports a bunch of Tea Bagger candidates?

You can accept reality or not. you can not refute what IVE posted.

Um, you have to actually post something first in order to refute it. Where are your links?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBz_7yrJKq0"]Stormfront endorses Ron Paul[/ame]

 

[Si modo]

LOL...right. You aren't even trying...

Wanna bet Stormfront supports a bunch of Tea Bagger candidates?

Nice race card.

LOL...only to trump the "red" card.

I'm pretty sure you're not bright enough to know how idiotic your response to me was. (It's called tu quoque and idiots often use it.)

But, let's look at it. Let's examine some possibilities concerning your view of your opposition ( the Tea Party) using the commie/marxist/socialist argument: 1. You know you are commies/marxists/socialists; 2. You know you are not commies/marxists/socialists; or 3. You aren't sure if you are commies/marxists/racists.

If the first situation is true, and you want your point about racism to have merit; but that makes you commies/marxists/socialists.

If the second situation is true, then your point about racism has no merit - your opposition is not racist.

If the third situation is true, then you know shit about your opposition.





Thus, your 'point' is a massive fail on your part and you look like an idiot. Let me guess, logic is now a political 'talking point', too.

 

[Oddball]

LOL...right. You aren't even trying...

Wanna bet Stormfront supports a bunch of Tea Bagger candidates?

Nice race card.

LOL...only to trump the "red" card.

Democrats have avowed socialists and "progressives" in their ranks, and are all too happy to have them...There are no neo-Nazis in the GOP.

Your "trump" took a dump.

 

[mudwhistle]

The TEA Party is not a political party - it is a political movement.

So they don't have candidates they want to run in 2012? They will unite with the GOP during the election to endorse whomever they choose?

This is confusing to me. I see a lot of 'attacking' already between the two 'movements' already (a lot of the threads here are based on that) so that's why I was wondering how it's going to work in 2012.

They will probably unite to defeat Obama because nothing can get done as long as he occupies the White House.

But what you call attacking is merely differing opinions. There are differing opinions in the Democrat party but the media doesn't want to focus on that all that much.

 

[Avorysuds]

LOL...right. You aren't even trying...

Wanna bet Stormfront supports a bunch of Tea Bagger candidates?

You can accept reality or not. you can not refute what IVE posted.

Um, you have to actually post something first in order to refute it. Where are your links?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBz_7yrJKq0"]Stormfront endorses Ron Paul[/ame]

Who cares...? The black panthers support Obama but that does not mean Obama supports them. And for the record I got to shake RP's hand when he came to Settale (when I lived there) so getting a pic with you and a political figure is not hard.

 

[eflatminor]

I believe Republicans, Tea Partiers and Libertarians/Classical Liberals will support one candidate, whichever is the most fiscally reasonable. More importantly, we will take the Senate and more in the House so that we can begin to undo all these laws, bureaucracies and regulations that have driven spending to obscene levels while crushing the American tradition of individual freedom.

Not this little black duck.

I'm going to see action and a track record before I cast a vote for anyone with an (R) by their name, ever again.

They nominate another wormy, double-dealing shoe salesman, like Pawlenty or Romney, and I'll be voting LP again.

A very good point I must say. I too couldn't pull the lever for McCain and voted LP. But this time, I have more confidence that in the primary process, we'll get who we need. We'll see but I get your sentiment.

 

[Si modo]

LOL...right. You aren't even trying...

Wanna bet Stormfront supports a bunch of Tea Bagger candidates?

You can accept reality or not. you can not refute what IVE posted.

Um, you have to actually post something first in order to refute it. Where are your links?

Using your idiotic thinking that one data point defines all - the fallacy of generalization - then the Dems are racists.

Byrd, Gephardt, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, etc.

God, you really are stupid. And, I call those who are habitually illogical stupid. You're not alone.

 

[auditor0007]

I wonder if these two "parties" will split during the 2012 Election or unite.

If they each have a candidate to run, along with the democrats and the libertarians, what do you think will happen in the election?

Or do you think the two (GOP and Tea Party) will come together and run one person?

If they are divided, and each runs someone on their ticket, won't that divide the party base of the conservative movement?

They will come together; they always do when there are factions within each party. The problem is that there are going to be some bruised egos on one side or the other, tea party or moderates, depending on who the nominee is. Some of those people will likely stay home on election day, and that will likely be enough to get Obama re-elected.

 

[Oddball]

LOL...right. You aren't even trying...

Wanna bet Stormfront supports a bunch of Tea Bagger candidates?

You can accept reality or not. you can not refute what IVE posted.

Um, you have to actually post something first in order to refute it. Where are your links?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBz_7yrJKq0"]Stormfront endorses Ron Paul[/ame]

Good God...I was right...You really are a simpleton.

Have You Heard About Ron Paul and 'That' $500 Donation? by C.J. Maloney

 

[Seawytch]

Nice race card.

LOL...only to trump the "red" card.

I'm pretty sure you're not bright enough to know how idiotic your response to me was. (It's called tu quoque and idiots often use it.)

But, let's look at it. Let's examine some possibilities concerning your view of your opposition ( the Tea Party) using the commie/marxist/socialist argument: 1. You know you are commies/marxists/socialists; 2. You know you are not commies/marxists/socialists; or 3. You aren't sure if you are commies/marxists/racists.

If the first situation is true, then your point about racism has merit; but that makes you commies/marxists/socialists.

If the second situation is true, then your point about racism has no merit - your opposition is not racist.

If the third situation is true, then you know shit about your opposition.





Thus, your 'point' is a massive fail on your part and you look like an idiot. Let me guess, logic is now a political 'talking point', too.

Your pathetic and continued need to employ ad hominems aside...

Seeing communism around every corner is akin to seeing racism under every rock.

I do not believe that the Tea Baggers are all racists. Are there racists in the Tea Party or people with racist tendencies? Of course. There's photographic evidence of it.

Are there people with socialist tendencies in the Democratic party? Yes, I'm one of them....however, the ONLY proclaimed socialist in Congress is Bernie Sanders and he is an independent.

Not a single Tea Bagger ran as an independent OR as a Libertarian. They are nothing but the farthest right wing fringe of the Republican party.

 

[Seawytch]

You can accept reality or not. you can not refute what IVE posted.

Um, you have to actually post something first in order to refute it. Where are your links?

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zBz_7yrJKq0"]Stormfront endorses Ron Paul[/ame]

Good God...I was right...You really are a simpleton.

Have You Heard About Ron Paul and 'That' $500 Donation? by C.J. Maloney

Apparently YOU are the simpleton for not following the thread.

 

[Oddball]

Your pathetic and continued need to employ ad hominems aside...

Seeing communism around every corner is akin to seeing racism under every rock.

I do not believe that the Tea Baggers are all racists. Are there racists in the Tea Party or people with racist tendencies? Of course. There's photographic evidence of it.

Are there people with socialist tendencies in the Democratic party? Yes, I'm one of them....however, the ONLY proclaimed socialist in Congress is Bernie Sanders and he is an independent.

Not a single Tea Bagger ran as an independent OR as a Libertarian. They are nothing but the farthest right wing fringe of the Republican party.

You chide others for ad hominems, then refer top people you don't even know and are lamely seeking to marginalize as "Tea Bagger"?

Wow.

 

[Si modo]

LOL...only to trump the "red" card.

I'm pretty sure you're not bright enough to know how idiotic your response to me was. (It's called tu quoque and idiots often use it.)

But, let's look at it. Let's examine some possibilities concerning your view of your opposition ( the Tea Party) using the commie/marxist/socialist argument: 1. You know you are commies/marxists/socialists; 2. You know you are not commies/marxists/socialists; or 3. You aren't sure if you are commies/marxists/racists.

If the first situation is true, then your point about racism has merit; but that makes you commies/marxists/socialists.

If the second situation is true, then your point about racism has no merit - your opposition is not racist.

If the third situation is true, then you know shit about your opposition.





Thus, your 'point' is a massive fail on your part and you look like an idiot. Let me guess, logic is now a political 'talking point', too.

Your pathetic and continued need to employ ad hominems aside...

Seeing communism around every corner is akin to seeing racism under every rock.

I do not believe that the Tea Baggers are all racists. Are there racists in the Tea Party or people with racist tendencies? Of course. There's photographic evidence of it.

Are there people with socialist tendencies in the Democratic party? Yes, I'm one of them....however, the ONLY proclaimed socialist in Congress is Bernie Sanders and he is an independent.

Not a single Tea Bagger ran as an independent OR as a Libertarian. They are nothing but the farthest right wing fringe of the Republican party.

Logic is obviously not your friend. As I said, you aren't alone.

But, because it is not your friend (as has been demonstrated at least two times to you in the last few minutes), you keep typing up logical fallacies and then get angry because someone calls you stupid.

Would you prefer willfully stupid? I can go with that.

 

[Missourian]

This doesn't really answer your question, but here is what I expect to happen.

Mainstream Republicans, most social and fiscal conservatives and some Tea Partiers will support Gov. Perry and Gov. Romney.

Most Tea Partiers will support Herman Cain and Rep. Bachmann.

Hard core Libertarian Tea Partiers will support Ron Paul.

How will this shake out?

My hope is Gov. Perry will win out among the mainstream...

Herman Cain will garner the lions share of the Tea Party vote...

And they unite the party by running together on the Republican Ticket.

Perry/Cain 2012.

 

[Si modo]

Your pathetic and continued need to employ ad hominems aside...

Seeing communism around every corner is akin to seeing racism under every rock.

I do not believe that the Tea Baggers are all racists. Are there racists in the Tea Party or people with racist tendencies? Of course. There's photographic evidence of it.

Are there people with socialist tendencies in the Democratic party? Yes, I'm one of them....however, the ONLY proclaimed socialist in Congress is Bernie Sanders and he is an independent.

Not a single Tea Bagger ran as an independent OR as a Libertarian. They are nothing but the farthest right wing fringe of the Republican party.

You chide others for ad hominems, then refer top people you don't even know and are lamely seeking to marginalize as "Tea Bagger"?

Wow.

Hypocrisy is OK when they practice it.

 

[Oddball]

Um, you have to actually post something first in order to refute it. Where are your links?

Stormfront endorses Ron Paul

Good God...I was right...You really are a simpleton.

Have You Heard About Ron Paul and 'That' $500 Donation? by C.J. Maloney

Apparently YOU are the simpleton for not following the thread.

I've followed the thread just fine...I can follow flawed logic as well.

When republicans openly welcome avowed racists into their caucus the same way that the Democrat Party welcomes socialists with open arms, then you will have a point.

But they don't, so all you have is a race-baiting popcorn fart.

 

[California Girl]

I wonder if these two "parties" will split during the 2012 Election or unite.

If they each have a candidate to run, along with the democrats and the libertarians, what do you think will happen in the election?

Or do you think the two (GOP and Tea Party) will come together and run one person?

If they are divided, and each runs someone on their ticket, won't that divide the party base of the conservative movement?

In full seriousness and honesty, it will depend on what Grover Norquist and the Koch brothers advise.

So, you know jack shit about the TEA Party then. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Seawytch]

Your pathetic and continued need to employ ad hominems aside...

Seeing communism around every corner is akin to seeing racism under every rock.

I do not believe that the Tea Baggers are all racists. Are there racists in the Tea Party or people with racist tendencies? Of course. There's photographic evidence of it.

Are there people with socialist tendencies in the Democratic party? Yes, I'm one of them....however, the ONLY proclaimed socialist in Congress is Bernie Sanders and he is an independent.

Not a single Tea Bagger ran as an independent OR as a Libertarian. They are nothing but the farthest right wing fringe of the Republican party.

You chide others for ad hominems, then refer top people you don't even know and are lamely seeking to marginalize as "Tea Bagger"?

Wow.

Yes, I make a distinction between attacking an ideological group and attacking an individual. Just because you call liberals or progressives "libutards" does not mean I will turn around and call YOU a stupid asshole.

 

[California Girl]

LOL...only to trump the "red" card.

I'm pretty sure you're not bright enough to know how idiotic your response to me was. (It's called tu quoque and idiots often use it.)

But, let's look at it. Let's examine some possibilities concerning your view of your opposition ( the Tea Party) using the commie/marxist/socialist argument: 1. You know you are commies/marxists/socialists; 2. You know you are not commies/marxists/socialists; or 3. You aren't sure if you are commies/marxists/racists.

If the first situation is true, then your point about racism has merit; but that makes you commies/marxists/socialists.

If the second situation is true, then your point about racism has no merit - your opposition is not racist.

If the third situation is true, then you know shit about your opposition.





Thus, your 'point' is a massive fail on your part and you look like an idiot. Let me guess, logic is now a political 'talking point', too.

Your pathetic and continued need to employ ad hominems aside...

Seeing communism around every corner is akin to seeing racism under every rock.

I do not believe that the Tea Baggers are all racists. Are there racists in the Tea Party or people with racist tendencies? Of course. There's photographic evidence of it.

Are there people with socialist tendencies in the Democratic party? Yes, I'm one of them....however, the ONLY proclaimed socialist in Congress is Bernie Sanders and he is an independent.

Not a single Tea Bagger ran as an independent OR as a Libertarian. They are nothing but the farthest right wing fringe of the Republican party.

There are racists in the Democratic Party too. True story.

EZ, I believe, asked a genuine question seeking a genuine discussion, because she is - mainly - very fair and balanced. She is what you are not. An intelligent liberal.

 

[auditor0007]

I wonder if these two "parties" will split during the 2012 Election or unite.

If they each have a candidate to run, along with the democrats and the libertarians, what do you think will happen in the election?

Or do you think the two (GOP and Tea Party) will come together and run one person?

If they are divided, and each runs someone on their ticket, won't that divide the party base of the conservative movement?

The tea party are people who prioritize fiscal issues over social conservatism and military endeavors. I fit that. However, I don't believe in being a "member" of a political organization because I think what I think not what I'm told to think. So I call myself a "supporter" of the tea party.

The answer to your question though is that the tea party isn't Republican, it's an attempted take over of the Republican party. Think of our choices:

Republican - claim to be fiscal conservatives but only put lip service to it while putting social conservatism and military conquests first.

Democrats - socialists who don't really oppose social conservatism other then abortion and go hand in hand with Republican militarism while criticizing Republicans.

Wow, horrible choices. But in this country there are two parties and it's most effective to take one over. That obviously would be the Republican party since they at least pay lip service to fiscal conservatism and Democrats are socialists. It's why Republican leadership try to defeat tea partiers and tea partiers don't care when Republicans who aren't tea partiers lose.

So currently nothing will change. But the thing that could change would be if Democrats who are more fiscally conservative but scared by Republican social conservatism start to identify with the tea party. For that to happen, a "Reagan" is going to have to emerge. There are some candidates for that like Rubio, but no one clearly on that path yet.

Sorry, but Democrats are not Socialists. You really ought to figure out what a Socialist is before you go throwing the term around for everyone you happen to disagree with. Other than a minority group of far left wingers, most Dems are pretty much Centrists that understand that government and the private sector do work hand in hand, yet the government is not there to control the private sector, but to make certain that it operates in a reasonable manner that protects the rights of its citizens. There are many moderate Republicans and Independents that fit that mold also.