Can anyone here honestly emphasis on honestly claim they have never said or did something others would consider bigoted or racist?
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Can anyone here honestly emphasis on honestly claim they have never said or did something others would consider bigoted or racist?
Can anyone here honestly emphasis on honestly claim they have never said or did something others would consider bigoted or racist?
What point would that make? Having sex with another man would be repulsive to me. I dont know if that makes me a bigot or not but I dont try to deny gay people their rights.
Can anyone here honestly emphasis on honestly claim they have never said or did something others would consider bigoted or racist?
What point would that make? Having sex with another man would be repulsive to me. I dont know if that makes me a bigot or not but I dont try to deny gay people their rights.
The point is people are always trying to label other's as this or that for whatever the reason and maybe they should spend more time looking at what kind of a person they are and less trying to label other's.
What point would that make? Having sex with another man would be repulsive to me. I dont know if that makes me a bigot or not but I dont try to deny gay people their rights.
The point is people are always trying to label other's as this or that for whatever the reason and maybe they should spend more time looking at what kind of a person they are and less trying to label other's.
Kind of hard to do that when those people are trying to take away their right to marry. Right wing conservatives don't have to take time looking at what kind of person they are before getting married. Why should gays and the people that support them have to?
The point, and I'm shocked nobody has seemed to grasp it here is: both sides have their weaknesses, they both have people in their midst who insist on using the same bigotry they themselves posses. I was trying to get both sides of the political spectrum to acknowledge those elements. It is also undeniable how the left also tries to silence others through coercion, I don't see so much of it on the right, purely because they don't have all the clout in the media.
And I would ask the you prove the claim hasn't been made yet. I've read stories all over the internet about the way Phil Robertson was treated by the left, as was Brendan Eich and that Miami Dolphins football player in regards to Micheal Sam. To say people don't accost Christians and praise gays for shoving their lifestyles in their faces is an incredible claim with no merits in reality.
Yes, I know, someone in this thread is bound to say, "Well Christians and Conservatives are inherently bigoted! We are tolerant!"
In this case, guilt by association is justified. It's like an innocent man standing in an alleyway, watching while a thug savages his victim. A party, left or right, sits by why their extremist elements war with one another, unaware of the damage they cause; unaware of their own faults. As one individual, you can't do much, but as a collective of like minded individuals, you can. It only takes one spark to light a fire. And I see the problem of "well that's not my problem" as a reason why there is so much partisanship in politics. Nobody is willing to take charge.
I advocate individual rights. You have seen me many times advocate for the rights and freedoms of gays in America. I for one don't believe in denying anyone equal protection under the law. So regardless of what my conservative friends believe individually, I do walk the walk. I am a libertarian, and that is one reason why. I have assumed the ideals and tenets of the Republicans of yore. I represent most of the conservatives on this board, and I challenge them to do the same.
The point is people are always trying to label other's as this or that for whatever the reason and maybe they should spend more time looking at what kind of a person they are and less trying to label other's.
Kind of hard to do that when those people are trying to take away their right to marry. Right wing conservatives don't have to take time looking at what kind of person they are before getting married. Why should gays and the people that support them have to?
I'm not sure getting married qualifies as a right but in any event you have elections and courts to sort that out I'm all for getting this question to the Supreme Court and getting it decided. I'm not talking about people looking at themselves and what type of person they are before getting married I'm talking about doing that before they label someone else racist or bigoted and I mean the right, left, center and everyone in between.
Fourteen times since 1888, the United States Supreme Court has stated that marriage is a fundamental right of all individuals.
I've heard many times that Christians or Conservative individuals are bigots. I've heard the counterclaim that Liberals and Homosexuals are as such themselves. But I simply wish to pose a couple of questions: Using the logic that a Christian or Conservative is bigoted and anti-gay, would the Liberals be just as bigoted and anti-Christian? How can one sit there and accuse the other of being bigoted, while not acknowledging their own bigotry in return?
Yes, I know, someone in this thread is bound to say, "Well Christians and Conservatives are inherently bigoted! We are tolerant!" Well, that poses another question. Are you really? If a Christian can be accosted for speaking his mind on homosexuality, namely people like Phil Robertson or Brendan Eich, but a homosexual can be praised for shoving it in his face; is that not intolerant, or bigoted? And likewise, another will say, "No! Liberals and homosexuals are inherently bigoted! We are tolerant!" The same I ask, are you really? How can you be tolerant when you wish to deny someone equal protection under the same laws that govern you and I, simply because they are gay? Is that not intolerant or bigoted as well?
One side wishes for equality and tolerance, as does the other. Both sides say the are tolerant, but in reality they are not. Both sides want equality, but in reality they only want a society more favorable to their worldviews or religious beliefs. From my vantage point, neither side has any room to maneuver. Both sides are just as bigoted as one another. The views each side holds does not justify the behavior they exhibit towards one another. Tolerance is a two way street. You can't demand tolerance, you must earn it. So, it is a matter of: are you a bigot or not?
can anyone here honestly emphasis on honestly claim they have never said or did something others would consider bigoted or racist?
what point would that make? Having sex with another man would be repulsive to me. I dont know if that makes me a bigot or not but i dont try to deny gay people their rights.
the point is people are always trying to label other's as this or that for whatever the reason and maybe they should spend more time looking at what kind of a person they are and less trying to label other's.
I've heard many times that Christians or Conservative individuals are bigots. I've heard the counterclaim that Liberals and Homosexuals are as such themselves. But I simply wish to pose a couple of questions: Using the logic that a Christian or Conservative is bigoted and anti-gay, would the Liberals be just as bigoted and anti-Christian? How can one sit there and accuse the other of being bigoted, while not acknowledging their own bigotry in return?
Yes, I know, someone in this thread is bound to say, "Well Christians and Conservatives are inherently bigoted! We are tolerant!" Well, that poses another question. Are you really? If a Christian can be accosted for speaking his mind on homosexuality, namely people like Phil Robertson or Brendan Eich, but a homosexual can be praised for shoving it in his face; is that not intolerant, or bigoted? And likewise, another will say, "No! Liberals and homosexuals are inherently bigoted! We are tolerant!" The same I ask, are you really? How can you be tolerant when you wish to deny someone equal protection under the same laws that govern you and I, simply because they are gay? Is that not intolerant or bigoted as well?
One side wishes for equality and tolerance, as does the other. Both sides say the are tolerant, but in reality they are not. Both sides want equality, but in reality they only want a society more favorable to their worldviews or religious beliefs. From my vantage point, neither side has any room to maneuver. Both sides are just as bigoted as one another. The views each side holds does not justify the behavior they exhibit towards one another. Tolerance is a two way street. You can't demand tolerance, you must earn it. So, it is a matter of: are you a bigot or not?
That's not how tolerance works. A crying baby on a crowded airplane does not earn your tolerance; you simply tolerate the baby.
What, to your mind, is entailed in tolerance? Equal treatment in public accommodation? Fair Housing? Equal Opportunity Employment? Voting Rights? ...Free Speech?
Before you couch any lack of tolerance in a post about "Free Speech", remember the aphorism:
"Your right to swing your arms ends just where the other man's nose begins."
The precise limits on the length over which "your arms" extend and where another person's "nose begins" varies from state to state.
I wont ever apologize for not tolerating racism or gay bashing, but no it doesn't make me a bigot. That argument is tired and mostly a way for bigots to feel better about their hate. Sorry.
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So don't apologize. Nothing tired about an argument that calls a spade a spade.
Your intolerance is no better, worse, nor different than anyone else's. It isn't "right-er" because of your beliefs. Bigotry is bigotry. Yours is the same as a Nazi's. Just aimed in a different direction.
Actually you are wrong. Being intolerant of intolerance is the greatest virtue in the world.
So don't apologize. Nothing tired about an argument that calls a spade a spade.
Your intolerance is no better, worse, nor different than anyone else's. It isn't "right-er" because of your beliefs. Bigotry is bigotry. Yours is the same as a Nazi's. Just aimed in a different direction.
Actually you are wrong. Being intolerant of intolerance is the greatest virtue in the world.
By george I think he's got it
Just as liberty is not the liberty to take someone's liberty.
Tolerance does not justify being tolerant of intolerance.
The point of exhibiting, seeking, and asking for tolerance is not to do others harm, but rather to remove the harms being done.
Doc, Luissa, both of you missed the entire point of this thread. It's all about performing self introspection, not taking charge of your party, though that would be nice. Anyone can benefit from some semblance of leadership, some sort of an example. But what good are they if there is no example? Who sets it? Who gets the ball rolling?
Neither party consists of only one individual representative, they consist of a group of individuals with core set of views. That is the flaw of Doc's "sides don't exist" argument. Likewise, one individual can lead the group simply by his example alone. I personally believe one individual can change the viewpoints of many. It is all about bucking the trend, not marching in lockstep.
I've heard many times that Christians or Conservative individuals are bigots. I've heard the counterclaim that Liberals and Homosexuals are as such themselves. But I simply wish to pose a couple of questions: Using the logic that a Christian or Conservative is bigoted and anti-gay, would the Liberals be just as bigoted and anti-Christian? How can one sit there and accuse the other of being bigoted, while not acknowledging their own bigotry in return?
Yes, I know, someone in this thread is bound to say, "Well Christians and Conservatives are inherently bigoted! We are tolerant!" Well, that poses another question. Are you really? If a Christian can be accosted for speaking his mind on homosexuality, namely people like Phil Robertson or Brendan Eich, but a homosexual can be praised for shoving it in his face; is that not intolerant, or bigoted? And likewise, another will say, "No! Liberals and homosexuals are inherently bigoted! We are tolerant!" The same I ask, are you really? How can you be tolerant when you wish to deny someone equal protection under the same laws that govern you and I, simply because they are gay? Is that not intolerant or bigoted as well?
One side wishes for equality and tolerance, as does the other. Both sides say the are tolerant, but in reality they are not. Both sides want equality, but in reality they only want a society more favorable to their worldviews or religious beliefs. From my vantage point, neither side has any room to maneuver. Both sides are just as bigoted as one another. The views each side holds does not justify the behavior they exhibit towards one another. Tolerance is a two way street. You can't demand tolerance, you must earn it. So, it is a matter of: are you a bigot or not?
Perhaps you could benefit from your own aphorism ["Your right to swing your arms ends just where the other man's nose begins."]. Your rights end where mine begin. And likewise vise versa. Your right to accommodation does does not come at the expense my free speech. My tolerance of your lifestyle should not come at the expense of my beliefs.
You seem to think free speech should be limited. I don't stand for it.
I've heard many times that Christians or Conservative individuals are bigots. I've heard the counterclaim that Liberals and Homosexuals are as such themselves. But I simply wish to pose a couple of questions: Using the logic that a Christian or Conservative is bigoted and anti-gay, would the Liberals be just as bigoted and anti-Christian? How can one sit there and accuse the other of being bigoted, while not acknowledging their own bigotry in return?
Yes, I know, someone in this thread is bound to say, "Well Christians and Conservatives are inherently bigoted! We are tolerant!" Well, that poses another question. Are you really? If a Christian can be accosted for speaking his mind on homosexuality, namely people like Phil Robertson or Brendan Eich, but a homosexual can be praised for shoving it in his face; is that not intolerant, or bigoted? And likewise, another will say, "No! Liberals and homosexuals are inherently bigoted! We are tolerant!" The same I ask, are you really? How can you be tolerant when you wish to deny someone equal protection under the same laws that govern you and I, simply because they are gay? Is that not intolerant or bigoted as well?
One side wishes for equality and tolerance, as does the other. Both sides say the are tolerant, but in reality they are not. Both sides want equality, but in reality they only want a society more favorable to their worldviews or religious beliefs. From my vantage point, neither side has any room to maneuver. Both sides are just as bigoted as one another. The views each side holds does not justify the behavior they exhibit towards one another. Tolerance is a two way street. You can't demand tolerance, you must earn it. So, it is a matter of: are you a bigot or not?
That's not how tolerance works. A crying baby on a crowded airplane does not earn your tolerance; you simply tolerate the baby.
What, to your mind, is entailed in tolerance? Equal treatment in public accommodation? Fair Housing? Equal Opportunity Employment? Voting Rights? ...Free Speech?
Before you couch any lack of tolerance in a post about "Free Speech", remember the aphorism:
"Your right to swing your arms ends just where the other man's nose begins."
The precise limits on the length over which "your arms" extend and where another person's "nose begins" varies from state to state.
Perhaps you could benefit from your own aphorism. Your rights end where mine begin. And likewise vise versa. Your right to accommodation does does not come at the expense my free speech. My tolerance of your lifestyle should not come at the expense of my beliefs.
You seem to think free speech should be limited. I don't stand for it.
[MENTION=36422]blackhawk[/MENTION]Can anyone here honestly emphasis on honestly claim they have never said or did something others would consider bigoted or racist?
Zombie Pundit, Well Put.
Guess you had extra brains for breakfast this morning.