tinydancer
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A fine for giving birth where the fetus and the woman were both unharmed? No, and why would that be? The harm is if she is harmed, not the fetus.22 “If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurelye]">[e] but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman’s husband demands and the court allows. 23 But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life, 24 eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, 25 burn for burn, wound for wound, bruise for bruise.Bring any translation you like. They all say the same thing. As long as she lives, that's all that matters. The fetus is property, not a person.You are using RSV. This differs greatly from NIV and the Hebrew translation.
It's a no go.
Not true. And I love it when assholes like you try to quote the Word out of context to meet your own ends.
Translation from original Hebrew.
"And when men fight and strike a pregnant woman ('ishah harah) and her children (yeladeyha) go forth (weyatse'u), and there is no injury, he shall surely be fined as the husband of the woman may put upon him; and he shall give by the judges. But if there is injury, you shall give life for life, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hand for hand, foot for foot, burn for burn, wound for wound, stripe for stripe."
In other words if the baby or the mother is injured, the fighter is toast.
As to baby vs property? Here ya go sparky. Quick breakdown for you.
Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart.
—Jeremiah 1:5
Even before I was born, God had chosen me to be His.
—Galatians 1:15
For You created my inmost being; You knit me together in my mother’s womb… Your eyes saw my unformed body. All the days ordained for me were written in Your book before one of them came to be.
—Psalm 139:13, 16
Your hands shaped me and made me… Did You not clothe me with skin and flesh and knit me together with bones and sinews? You gave me life.
—Job 10:8-12
This is what the Lord says—He who made you, who formed you in the womb
—Isaiah 44:2
Did not He who made me in the womb make them? Did not the same One form us both within our mothers?
—Job 31:15
Taking the life of the unborn is clearly murder—
He didn’t kill me in the womb, with my mother as my grave.
—Jeremiah 20:17
And a biggie....
—and God vowed to punish those who…
ripped open the women with child
—Amos 1:13
Abortion and the Bible: What does Scripture say about abortion? • ChristianAnswers.Net
The Misuse of Exodus 21:22-25 by Pro-Choice Advocates | Desiring God
Exodus 21:22 "If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows.
BTW, you lose.
Bullshit. Read what you just posted. The woman still gives birth and there is no serious injury means the baby is born alive and not dead. It's plain as day.
'If men who are fighting hit a pregnant woman and she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury, the offender must be fined whatever the woman's husband demands and the court allows. But if there is serious injury, you are to take life for life . . .
What the NIV implies is that the child is born alive and that the penalty of life for life, eye for eye, etc. applies to the child as well as the mother. If injury comes to the child or the mother there will not just be a fine but life for life, eye for eye, etc.'
The Misuse of Exodus 21:22-25 by Pro-Choice Advocates | Desiring God
Sigh. No. "she gives birth prematurely but there is no serious injury " means the woman has given birth to a child. There is no other way to interpret a birth without injury.
Every dictionary agrees.
Full Definition of birth
- 1 a : the emergence of a new individual from the body of its parent b : the act or process of bringing forth young from the womb