A Question for Socialists - Wealth Inequality

[LogikAndReazon]

"CEOs making millions should pay at least 70% marginal tax rate.............."


No one should pay more then 30% in taxes..................NO ONE

 

[Sallow]

Yeah.. because it does not take skill, effort, and hard work to keep a company going after it is started and successful at one point

That is why top companies scurry to shed their experienced and skilled executives to put bums, burger flippers, janitors, and gas station attendants in charge (saving huge amounts of money) to just sit at the helm while the company coasts to profits

The first few years of a company's life are generally the roughest.

Once it's up and running, there are multiple processes in place to keep it going.

Paying attention to trends is basically the hardest part of that.

Yeah... so what was GM's excuse for a bailout then??

You are so fucking wrong it is unfathomable

See above.

GM continued to build SUVs that were okay in the US and not to many other places in the world.

Once the market was saturated..they were in trouble.

 

[Againsheila]

Do you believe someone should be compensated according to the amount of work he or she produces?

For example. Wal-Mart's CEO earns about 1,167 times what his average employee earns.

Does that seem fair or unfair? I'll post my response once a few of you reply.

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By socialist logic, Wal-Mart's CEO is vastly underpaid. See, they believe someone should be directly compensated based on their labor. Any more, and they're unfairly exploiting others.

Wal-Mart's CEO is responsible for employing 2.1 million people. So in reality, he should be earning 2.1 million times what the average worker earns, not 1,167.

I'm not exactly a socialist. I don't think either capitalism or socialism works by itself, I think we need to find the best combination of the two, and no I don't think anyone should be making more than 1000 times what his workers make.

 

[Sallow]

I believe that employee wages should somewhat keep pace with management wages. If a profitable company cannot afford to increase wages for long-time employees they should not reward the board with ever sweeter deals and especially not reward the management of a troubled, failing company with golden parachutes.

I believe that if you want a raise.. you do something to advance to earn it... you don't just get it because your leadership does, or because you are sweeping floors while the executive team hammers out new deals or the engineering team creates a new innovation that sells like gangbusters

The whole country's productivity went through the roof over the last couple of decades. And that's with the Tax cuts that favored the wealthy in this country.

Wages remained flat.

Exactly what else is necessary to "earn" it?

 

[Againsheila]

By socialist logic, Wal-Mart's CEO is vastly underpaid. See, they believe someone should be directly compensated based on their labor. Any more, and they're unfairly exploiting others.

Wal-Mart's CEO is responsible for employing 2.1 million people. So in reality, he should be earning 2.1 million times what the average worker earns, not 1,167.

If that's true, why not pay the workers $1million a piece, that why he could could earn even more???

 

[Againsheila]

Supply and demand at work there. How many folks can run a business the size of the Wal Mart empire, keep it functioning efficiently and profitably, versus how many folks are there out there that can stand in the Wal Mart entryway and say "Hello, can I help you?" endlessly and mindlessly?
Plenty of folk out there that will sit barefoot on the sidewalk, as well, waiting for a sucker to come along and throw a coupla bucks in the tin cup they got conveniently alongside 'em.
Betcha they all voted for Baracky Obammunist, too. Making indolence and sloth comfortable, one Democratic voter at a time.

Sam Walton died in 1992. He started the company and ran it. Thus the tough part is basically done.

I think he would be ashamed of what his children have done with his company. Walmart used to sell "made in America" products and they were proud of it. They used to provide for their employees and they were proud of it. Now it's every man for himself and his children are selfish gits that care nothing for the people that brought them that wealth. They squeeze every penny they can out of their workers. Walmart has become a dirty word and many decent people shun the company and with good reason.

If our government sent all the illegals back tomorrow, Walmart would go broke.

 

[tooAlive]

Supply and demand at work there. How many folks can run a business the size of the Wal Mart empire, keep it functioning efficiently and profitably, versus how many folks are there out there that can stand in the Wal Mart entryway and say "Hello, can I help you?" endlessly and mindlessly?
Plenty of folk out there that will sit barefoot on the sidewalk, as well, waiting for a sucker to come along and throw a coupla bucks in the tin cup they got conveniently alongside 'em.
Betcha they all voted for Baracky Obammunist, too. Making indolence and sloth comfortable, one Democratic voter at a time.

Sam Walton died in 1992. He started the company and ran it. Thus the tough part is basically done.

I think he would be ashamed of what his children have done with his company. Walmart used to sell "made in America" products and they were proud of it. They used to provide for their employees and they were proud of it. Now it's every man for himself and his children are selfish gits that care nothing for the people that brought them that wealth. They squeeze every penny they can out of their workers. Walmart has become a dirty word and many decent people shun the company and with good reason.

If our government sent all the illegals back tomorrow, Walmart would go broke.

First of all, Wal-Mart doesn't hire any "illegal" workers. Find me just ONE case where an illegal worker was found working for Wal-Mart.

Second, we have nobody to blame but ourselves for Wal-Mart "taking advantage of the workers."

You wanted cheaper prices? You got em'. Now don't go on biting the hand that feeds you.

 

[Sallow]

Sam Walton died in 1992. He started the company and ran it. Thus the tough part is basically done.

I think he would be ashamed of what his children have done with his company. Walmart used to sell "made in America" products and they were proud of it. They used to provide for their employees and they were proud of it. Now it's every man for himself and his children are selfish gits that care nothing for the people that brought them that wealth. They squeeze every penny they can out of their workers. Walmart has become a dirty word and many decent people shun the company and with good reason.

If our government sent all the illegals back tomorrow, Walmart would go broke.

First of all, Wal-Mart doesn't hire any "illegal" workers. Find me just ONE case where an illegal worker was found working for Wal-Mart.

Second, we have nobody to blame but ourselves for Wal-Mart "taking advantage of the workers."

You wanted cheaper prices? You got em'. Now don't go on biting the hand that feeds you.

Um..

250 workers arrested at Wal-Mart on immigration charges - Oct. 23, 2003

 

[tooAlive]

I think he would be ashamed of what his children have done with his company. Walmart used to sell "made in America" products and they were proud of it. They used to provide for their employees and they were proud of it. Now it's every man for himself and his children are selfish gits that care nothing for the people that brought them that wealth. They squeeze every penny they can out of their workers. Walmart has become a dirty word and many decent people shun the company and with good reason.

If our government sent all the illegals back tomorrow, Walmart would go broke.

First of all, Wal-Mart doesn't hire any "illegal" workers. Find me just ONE case where an illegal worker was found working for Wal-Mart.

Second, we have nobody to blame but ourselves for Wal-Mart "taking advantage of the workers."

You wanted cheaper prices? You got em'. Now don't go on biting the hand that feeds you.

Um..

250 workers arrested at Wal-Mart on immigration charges - Oct. 23, 2003

Federal agents picked up undocumented workers from Mexico, eastern Europe and other countries who were employed by several contractors used by the world's largest retailer.

They weren't employed by Wal-Mart. Nice try, though.

 

[occupied]

I believe that employee wages should somewhat keep pace with management wages. If a profitable company cannot afford to increase wages for long-time employees they should not reward the board with ever sweeter deals and especially not reward the management of a troubled, failing company with golden parachutes.

I believe that if you want a raise.. you do something to advance to earn it... you don't just get it because your leadership does, or because you are sweeping floors while the executive team hammers out new deals or the engineering team creates a new innovation that sells like gangbusters

Used to be just being on time and at work everyday and doing a good job over the course of years was plenty justification for pay raises, now we have to somehow distinguish ourselves from the other hard working people to deserve a raise? How should we do that? Unpaid overtime? Bribery? Undeserved flattery? Sexual favors? What? We are presented with so many examples of management chiseling the workers out of pay and benefits while giving themselves raises that we see that running a company for years is no longer the goal of upper management, it's to suck every last dollar they can out of a company before it collapses under their dead weight.

 

[boedicca]

"CEOs making millions should pay at least 70% marginal tax rate.............."


No one should pay more then 30% in taxes..................NO ONE

Medieval serfs paid 30% - and for modern day moonbats, they think that is not nearly enough.

 

[Againsheila]

Sam Walton died in 1992. He started the company and ran it. Thus the tough part is basically done.

I think he would be ashamed of what his children have done with his company. Walmart used to sell "made in America" products and they were proud of it. They used to provide for their employees and they were proud of it. Now it's every man for himself and his children are selfish gits that care nothing for the people that brought them that wealth. They squeeze every penny they can out of their workers. Walmart has become a dirty word and many decent people shun the company and with good reason.

If our government sent all the illegals back tomorrow, Walmart would go broke.

First of all, Wal-Mart doesn't hire any "illegal" workers. Find me just ONE case where an illegal worker was found working for Wal-Mart.

Second, we have nobody to blame but ourselves for Wal-Mart "taking advantage of the workers."

You wanted cheaper prices? You got em'. Now don't go on biting the hand that feeds you.

I'm not going to go to the trouble of looking, though I know there were some, but I was actually talking about the people who shop at Walmart, not the people who work at Walmart.

Isn't it interesting that you immediately assumed I was talking about their workers? Why do you suppose that is? Maybe because you subconsciously KNOW they hire illegals?

 

[DiamondDave]

I believe that employee wages should somewhat keep pace with management wages. If a profitable company cannot afford to increase wages for long-time employees they should not reward the board with ever sweeter deals and especially not reward the management of a troubled, failing company with golden parachutes.

I believe that if you want a raise.. you do something to advance to earn it... you don't just get it because your leadership does, or because you are sweeping floors while the executive team hammers out new deals or the engineering team creates a new innovation that sells like gangbusters

The whole country's productivity went through the roof over the last couple of decades. And that's with the Tax cuts that favored the wealthy in this country.

Wages remained flat.

Exactly what else is necessary to "earn" it?

Making yourself more valuable, drive more profit, innovate more, go to the next level of technology or mastery...

You do not simply get more because a company does better... you do not inherently get less either if a company does worse... 2 years ago, my company made a record profit, I did not get an automatic raise because of it... last year, my company went in the red, my wages did not get slashed because of it... this year looks to be slightly profitable again, yet the raise I received was due to individual advancement, performance, and a money saving effort I made that saved us over 100K. And my raise, 6K... My co-worker, who worked on a different project but was still in the same department did not get the 6K raise. BECAUSE IT WAS MY EFFORT AND MY ADVANCEMENT THAT BROUGHT THE SAVINGS... You don't just ride the coat tails and get the benefit... sorry Charlie

 

[DiamondDave]

I believe that employee wages should somewhat keep pace with management wages. If a profitable company cannot afford to increase wages for long-time employees they should not reward the board with ever sweeter deals and especially not reward the management of a troubled, failing company with golden parachutes.

I believe that if you want a raise.. you do something to advance to earn it... you don't just get it because your leadership does, or because you are sweeping floors while the executive team hammers out new deals or the engineering team creates a new innovation that sells like gangbusters

Used to be just being on time and at work everyday and doing a good job over the course of years was plenty justification for pay raises, now we have to somehow distinguish ourselves from the other hard working people to deserve a raise? How should we do that? Unpaid overtime? Bribery? Undeserved flattery? Sexual favors? What? We are presented with so many examples of management chiseling the workers out of pay and benefits while giving themselves raises that we see that running a company for years is no longer the goal of upper management, it's to suck every last dollar they can out of a company before it collapses under their dead weight.

You do the minimum or just enough to get by, you stay as you are and get the minimum
Put in the extra hours, study on your own, dig deep into a project, find the more efficient way, save the company money, bring in new revenue, the list goes on

You want the benefits of company profits, invest in the company, start and fund a company yourself... and if you want a profit sharing model for your company and its employees, more power to you. I hope you set it up that way... Hope you got all the money to do it yourself or you somehow find investors that want to take less for their risk of investment

 

[francoHFW]

The problem for the last 30 years has been savage capitalism and greedy idiot Pubs. The nonrich, after blowing it on credit under W, have lost the ability to provide demand for product. Thank God the Dems are putting us back on track, no thanks to silly Pub dupes... See sig pp1.

 

[Againsheila]

I believe that if you want a raise.. you do something to advance to earn it... you don't just get it because your leadership does, or because you are sweeping floors while the executive team hammers out new deals or the engineering team creates a new innovation that sells like gangbusters

Used to be just being on time and at work everyday and doing a good job over the course of years was plenty justification for pay raises, now we have to somehow distinguish ourselves from the other hard working people to deserve a raise? How should we do that? Unpaid overtime? Bribery? Undeserved flattery? Sexual favors? What? We are presented with so many examples of management chiseling the workers out of pay and benefits while giving themselves raises that we see that running a company for years is no longer the goal of upper management, it's to suck every last dollar they can out of a company before it collapses under their dead weight.

You do the minimum or just enough to get by, you stay as you are and get the minimum
Put in the extra hours, study on your own, dig deep into a project, find the more efficient way, save the company money, bring in new revenue, the list goes on

You want the benefits of company profits, invest in the company, start and fund a company yourself... and if you want a profit sharing model for your company and its employees, more power to you. I hope you set it up that way... Hope you got all the money to do it yourself or you somehow find investors that want to take less for their risk of investment

You are so full of it, it's incredible. I worked for the federal government. I was so good at my job they kept adding things to it. They didn't increase my pay. When better jobs came up, my boss told them not to hire me because they couldn't do without me. When the GAO came in to audit my job, they wanted to change my GS 4 to a GS 9, but my boss convinced them that I didn't qualify for a GS 9 and if they changed it, no one else could do the job. When I finally quit, they replaced me with someone who couldn't do the job and all the extras were shipped out to other people. Yeah, right, hard work and incentive is rewarded.. NOT!!

Meanwhile, blond Bimbo got the job that was a higher grade than mine that I had already done along with my job for 3 months, then got into a car accident and I got the "privilege" of doing her job as well as mine for another 3 months. Oh, and they took one of her duties away and gave it to me, because I was the one with the training, which I took on my own time with my own money.

 

[DiamondDave]

Used to be just being on time and at work everyday and doing a good job over the course of years was plenty justification for pay raises, now we have to somehow distinguish ourselves from the other hard working people to deserve a raise? How should we do that? Unpaid overtime? Bribery? Undeserved flattery? Sexual favors? What? We are presented with so many examples of management chiseling the workers out of pay and benefits while giving themselves raises that we see that running a company for years is no longer the goal of upper management, it's to suck every last dollar they can out of a company before it collapses under their dead weight.

You do the minimum or just enough to get by, you stay as you are and get the minimum
Put in the extra hours, study on your own, dig deep into a project, find the more efficient way, save the company money, bring in new revenue, the list goes on

You want the benefits of company profits, invest in the company, start and fund a company yourself... and if you want a profit sharing model for your company and its employees, more power to you. I hope you set it up that way... Hope you got all the money to do it yourself or you somehow find investors that want to take less for their risk of investment

You are so full of it, it's incredible. I worked for the federal government. I was so good at my job they kept adding things to it. They didn't increase my pay. When better jobs came up, my boss told them not to hire me because they couldn't do without me. When the GAO came in to audit my job, they wanted to change my GS 4 to a GS 9, but my boss convinced them that I didn't qualify for a GS 9 and if they changed it, no one else could do the job. When I finally quit, they replaced me with someone who couldn't do the job and all the extras were shipped out to other people. Yeah, right, hard work and incentive is rewarded.. NOT!!

Meanwhile, blond Bimbo got the job that was a higher grade than mine that I had already done along with my job for 3 months, then got into a car accident and I got the "privilege" of doing her job as well as mine for another 3 months. Oh, and they took one of her duties away and gave it to me, because I was the one with the training, which I took on my own time with my own money.

Government job.. that is your problem right there.... Clout and politics mean more than driving improvement

 

[Againsheila]

You do the minimum or just enough to get by, you stay as you are and get the minimum
Put in the extra hours, study on your own, dig deep into a project, find the more efficient way, save the company money, bring in new revenue, the list goes on

You want the benefits of company profits, invest in the company, start and fund a company yourself... and if you want a profit sharing model for your company and its employees, more power to you. I hope you set it up that way... Hope you got all the money to do it yourself or you somehow find investors that want to take less for their risk of investment

You are so full of it, it's incredible. I worked for the federal government. I was so good at my job they kept adding things to it. They didn't increase my pay. When better jobs came up, my boss told them not to hire me because they couldn't do without me. When the GAO came in to audit my job, they wanted to change my GS 4 to a GS 9, but my boss convinced them that I didn't qualify for a GS 9 and if they changed it, no one else could do the job. When I finally quit, they replaced me with someone who couldn't do the job and all the extras were shipped out to other people. Yeah, right, hard work and incentive is rewarded.. NOT!!

Meanwhile, blond Bimbo got the job that was a higher grade than mine that I had already done along with my job for 3 months, then got into a car accident and I got the "privilege" of doing her job as well as mine for another 3 months. Oh, and they took one of her duties away and gave it to me, because I was the one with the training, which I took on my own time with my own money.

Government job.. that is your problem right there.... Clout and politics mean more than driving improvement

Always some excuse isn't there? Face it, the world isn't fair, if it was, we wouldn't need a minimum wage. We wouldn't need more taxes on the rich. We sure has hell wouldn't have a country ruled by the greed it's ruled by now.

 

[francoHFW]

Upward social mobility has never been worse, dupe.

 

[occupied]

Used to be just being on time and at work everyday and doing a good job over the course of years was plenty justification for pay raises, now we have to somehow distinguish ourselves from the other hard working people to deserve a raise? How should we do that? Unpaid overtime? Bribery? Undeserved flattery? Sexual favors? What? We are presented with so many examples of management chiseling the workers out of pay and benefits while giving themselves raises that we see that running a company for years is no longer the goal of upper management, it's to suck every last dollar they can out of a company before it collapses under their dead weight.

You do the minimum or just enough to get by, you stay as you are and get the minimum
Put in the extra hours, study on your own, dig deep into a project, find the more efficient way, save the company money, bring in new revenue, the list goes on

You want the benefits of company profits, invest in the company, start and fund a company yourself... and if you want a profit sharing model for your company and its employees, more power to you. I hope you set it up that way... Hope you got all the money to do it yourself or you somehow find investors that want to take less for their risk of investment

You are so full of it, it's incredible. I worked for the federal government. I was so good at my job they kept adding things to it. They didn't increase my pay. When better jobs came up, my boss told them not to hire me because they couldn't do without me. When the GAO came in to audit my job, they wanted to change my GS 4 to a GS 9, but my boss convinced them that I didn't qualify for a GS 9 and if they changed it, no one else could do the job. When I finally quit, they replaced me with someone who couldn't do the job and all the extras were shipped out to other people. Yeah, right, hard work and incentive is rewarded.. NOT!!

Meanwhile, blond Bimbo got the job that was a higher grade than mine that I had already done along with my job for 3 months, then got into a car accident and I got the "privilege" of doing her job as well as mine for another 3 months. Oh, and they took one of her duties away and gave it to me, because I was the one with the training, which I took on my own time with my own money.

Right, anyone who thinks you can get ahead by being extra-good at your job is not that good at their job. Becoming indispensable can turn out to be biggest obstacle to advancement possible while talented ass-kissers often write their own ticket. I should know because I have had the same irreplaceable and somewhat well paying position for years while better paid incompetent management comes and goes with such frequency I barely bother remembering their names.