A question for conservatives and Trump supporters.

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why won't you admit that Trump's trade war with China is nothing more than a big bluff
and is doing more harm than good ?

China’s $1.2 trillion weapon that could be used in a trade war with the US

As the United States and China inch closer to a full-fledged trade war, economists and investors worry about worst-case scenarios that could impact the global economy — and America. The war of words keeps getting harsher. China announced Wednesday that it may put tariffs on $50 billion worth of U.S. goods in retaliation against the Trump administration’s plan for imposing 25 percent duties on Chinese imports. Markets were sent spinning, falling by more than 1 percent and then rebounding later in the day, while everyone is now wondering what might come next.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/chinas-1-point-2-trillion-weapon-that-could-be-used-in-a-us-trade-war.html

Because we need to win this trade war. If you want us to lose... get out

Nobody can answer the question in my OP.....just a bunch of triggered snowflake replies.

Why won't you admit that Trump's trade war with China is nothing more than a big bluff and is doing more harm than good ?

Again what would be your solution?

I guess you never played poker or you would understand what bluffing means.

Your solution would be bluffing? LMAO.
Idiot.

 

[Jitss617]

Why won't you admit that Trump's trade war with China is nothing more than a big bluff
and is doing more harm than good ?

China’s $1.2 trillion weapon that could be used in a trade war with the US

As the United States and China inch closer to a full-fledged trade war, economists and investors worry about worst-case scenarios that could impact the global economy — and America. The war of words keeps getting harsher. China announced Wednesday that it may put tariffs on $50 billion worth of U.S. goods in retaliation against the Trump administration’s plan for imposing 25 percent duties on Chinese imports. Markets were sent spinning, falling by more than 1 percent and then rebounding later in the day, while everyone is now wondering what might come next.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/chinas-1-point-2-trillion-weapon-that-could-be-used-in-a-us-trade-war.html

Because we need to win this trade war. If you want us to lose... get out

Nobody can answer the question in my OP.....just a bunch of triggered snowflake replies.

Why won't you admit that Trump's trade war with China is nothing more than a big bluff and is doing more harm than good ?

Again what would be your solution?

I guess you never played poker or you would understand what bluffing means.

Yea because poor Americans don’t need manufacturing jobs

 

[the other mike]

Why won't you admit that Trump's trade war with China is nothing more than a big bluff
and is doing more harm than good ?

China’s $1.2 trillion weapon that could be used in a trade war with the US

As the United States and China inch closer to a full-fledged trade war, economists and investors worry about worst-case scenarios that could impact the global economy — and America. The war of words keeps getting harsher. China announced Wednesday that it may put tariffs on $50 billion worth of U.S. goods in retaliation against the Trump administration’s plan for imposing 25 percent duties on Chinese imports. Markets were sent spinning, falling by more than 1 percent and then rebounding later in the day, while everyone is now wondering what might come next.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/chinas-1-point-2-trillion-weapon-that-could-be-used-in-a-us-trade-war.html

Because we need to win this trade war. If you want us to lose... get out

Nobody can answer the question in my OP.....just a bunch of triggered snowflake replies.

Why won't you admit that Trump's trade war with China is nothing more than a big bluff and is doing more harm than good ?

Again what would be your solution?

I guess you never played poker or you would understand what bluffing means.

Your solution would be bluffing? LMAO.
Idiot.

If you can't even acknowledge the OP, stop trolling on this thread with zero to contribute except syi's.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

Why won't you admit that Trump's trade war with China is nothing more than a big bluff
and is doing more harm than good ?

China’s $1.2 trillion weapon that could be used in a trade war with the US

As the United States and China inch closer to a full-fledged trade war, economists and investors worry about worst-case scenarios that could impact the global economy — and America. The war of words keeps getting harsher. China announced Wednesday that it may put tariffs on $50 billion worth of U.S. goods in retaliation against the Trump administration’s plan for imposing 25 percent duties on Chinese imports. Markets were sent spinning, falling by more than 1 percent and then rebounding later in the day, while everyone is now wondering what might come next.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/chinas-1-point-2-trillion-weapon-that-could-be-used-in-a-us-trade-war.html

Because we need to win this trade war. If you want us to lose... get out

Nobody can answer the question in my OP.....just a bunch of triggered snowflake replies.

Why won't you admit that Trump's trade war with China is nothing more than a big bluff and is doing more harm than good ?

Again what would be your solution?

I guess you never played poker or you would understand what bluffing means.

Your solution would be bluffing? LMAO.
Idiot.

If you can't even acknowledge the OP, stop trolling on this thread with zero to contribute except syi's.

China has been stealing from us for years. What would you do differently? Waiting...

 

[the other mike]

Reaganomics has been stealing from us, not China.

 

[Correll]

Reaganomics has been stealing from us, not China.

Reagan left office a long time ago.


Plenty of chances to change policy since then.


Now that someone is actually trying to, you are attacking him for it.


You seem confused.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Why won't you admit that Trump's trade war with China is nothing more than a big bluff
and is doing more harm than good ?

China’s $1.2 trillion weapon that could be used in a trade war with the US

As the United States and China inch closer to a full-fledged trade war, economists and investors worry about worst-case scenarios that could impact the global economy — and America. The war of words keeps getting harsher. China announced Wednesday that it may put tariffs on $50 billion worth of U.S. goods in retaliation against the Trump administration’s plan for imposing 25 percent duties on Chinese imports. Markets were sent spinning, falling by more than 1 percent and then rebounding later in the day, while everyone is now wondering what might come next.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/chinas-1-point-2-trillion-weapon-that-could-be-used-in-a-us-trade-war.html

China holds $1.17 trillion of U.S. government debt.

If they sell US debt, they'll get US dollars.
Dollars which pay no interest. What will they do with them? Eat them?

If they sell them, the US dollar weakens, the currency they buy with them strengthens.
Then what??

 

[MoonPie]

Why won't you admit that Trump's trade war with China is nothing more than a big bluff
and is doing more harm than good ?

China’s $1.2 trillion weapon that could be used in a trade war with the US

As the United States and China inch closer to a full-fledged trade war, economists and investors worry about worst-case scenarios that could impact the global economy — and America. The war of words keeps getting harsher. China announced Wednesday that it may put tariffs on $50 billion worth of U.S. goods in retaliation against the Trump administration’s plan for imposing 25 percent duties on Chinese imports. Markets were sent spinning, falling by more than 1 percent and then rebounding later in the day, while everyone is now wondering what might come next.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/chinas-1-point-2-trillion-weapon-that-could-be-used-in-a-us-trade-war.html

So in other words a $2.00 plastic bucket from the dollar general now cost $2.25?

.

$2.50. Plus tax.

 

[hunarcy]

Why won't you admit that Trump's trade war with China is nothing more than a big bluff
and is doing more harm than good ?

China’s $1.2 trillion weapon that could be used in a trade war with the US

As the United States and China inch closer to a full-fledged trade war, economists and investors worry about worst-case scenarios that could impact the global economy — and America. The war of words keeps getting harsher. China announced Wednesday that it may put tariffs on $50 billion worth of U.S. goods in retaliation against the Trump administration’s plan for imposing 25 percent duties on Chinese imports. Markets were sent spinning, falling by more than 1 percent and then rebounding later in the day, while everyone is now wondering what might come next.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/chinas-1-point-2-trillion-weapon-that-could-be-used-in-a-us-trade-war.html

From YOUR link:

"President Xi Jinping would have to be mighty angry to dump treasuries in droves, because a sell off would have a negative impact on its own financial affairs. “It’s like holding a gun to your own head and saying I have a hostage,” says Reinhart.

If China were to sell its bond holdings, it would likely have to sell it at least some of the treasuries it purchased at a loss. If other countries sold, too, and prices plummet then it could lose billions. “It will inflict capital losses on itself,” says Reinhart.

The U.S. dollar would also fall, which would then make this trade-related provocation somewhat moot, adds Mark Zandi, chief economist at Moody’s Analytics. A lower greenback would make U.S. exports more attractive, which would then hurt China’s own export market. “It would negate some of the impact,” he says. “Rates might spike, but the dollar would fall and what’s the net impact of that? It doesn’t feel like it’s a winning strategy.”

As well, it’s not certain that selling treasuries would have much of an impact, says Mills. If other countries step into buy those treasuries, then interest rates could remain stable."

Not much of a weapon.

 

[Quentin111]

Paul Krugman: Trump will bring global recession

 

[the other mike]

The logic behind China’s decision to ask its state-owned enterprises to halt imports of U.S. farm goods would, at one level, seem blindingly obvious. Leaders in Beijing may have a more complex game in mind, though.

After U.S. President Donald Trump last week threatened to impose tariffs on another $300 billion of Chinese imports, in large part because China had supposedly reneged on a promise to ramp up agricultural purchases, President Xi Jinping could hardly afford to look like he was bending before the pressure. Chinese state agricultural firms will wait to see how trade talks progress before resuming purchases from the U.S., people familiar with the situation told Bloomberg News Monday.

Economically, this was one of the easiest decisions Xi could possibly have made. The fact is that agricultural trade between the two nations has been declining since well before Trump launched his trade war. U.S. farm exports to China peaked all the way back in 2012.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-08-05/china-s-suspension-of-u-s-farm-imports-is-smart-strategy

 

[the other mike]

Well, it looks like Chuck Schumer agrees with the president too.
https://nypost.com/2019/08/01/chuck-schumer-backs-trump-on-new-china-tariffs/

 

[the other mike]

 

[Correll]

The logic behind China’s decision to ask its state-owned enterprises to halt imports of U.S. farm goods would, at one level, seem blindingly obvious. Leaders in Beijing may have a more complex game in mind, though.

After U.S. President Donald Trump last week threatened to impose tariffs on another $300 billion of Chinese imports, in large part because China had supposedly reneged on a promise to ramp up agricultural purchases, President Xi Jinping could hardly afford to look like he was bending before the pressure. Chinese state agricultural firms will wait to see how trade talks progress before resuming purchases from the U.S., people familiar with the situation told Bloomberg News Monday.

Economically, this was one of the easiest decisions Xi could possibly have made. The fact is that agricultural trade between the two nations has been declining since well before Trump launched his trade war. U.S. farm exports to China peaked all the way back in 2012.
https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-08-05/china-s-suspension-of-u-s-farm-imports-is-smart-strategy

Why? If trade surpluses don't matter? Oh, and of course, everyone else is supposed to be the "Grownups".


IF they don't matter and everyone else is the grown up, just give US what we want.


Their actions seem to say that trade balance matters.

 

[Lincoln1976]

Why won't you admit that Trump's trade war with China is nothing more than a big bluff
and is doing more harm than good ?

China’s $1.2 trillion weapon that could be used in a trade war with the US

As the United States and China inch closer to a full-fledged trade war, economists and investors worry about worst-case scenarios that could impact the global economy — and America. The war of words keeps getting harsher. China announced Wednesday that it may put tariffs on $50 billion worth of U.S. goods in retaliation against the Trump administration’s plan for imposing 25 percent duties on Chinese imports. Markets were sent spinning, falling by more than 1 percent and then rebounding later in the day, while everyone is now wondering what might come next.

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/05/chinas-1-point-2-trillion-weapon-that-could-be-used-in-a-us-trade-war.html

Just look at this smearing,ill informed propaganda piece of shit "news",better known as FAKE NEWS!

so,how much Chinese import volume was hit by US tariffs comapred to US imports hit by CHinese tariffs?AH! China doesn't have a lot of ammunition bacuse the trade imbalance is so fucking high.
Furthermore,Chinese president Ping has just made himself dictator for life and the Chinese in their ultra nationalistic way are trying to overtake the USA...charming...I've always wanted a Communist dictatorship to run the world.

Leftists are so delusional and ignorant of simple facts,it is ambarrassing.No,President Trump does the right thing,cause China isn't our friend at all and it's rise was a very stupid oversight out of greed.

Turns out,it's a maverick billionaire business man and non-politician,turned President who is doing the right thing...independance is a very valuable thing!Oh,and for all you leftists out there: strange thing when "Orange Hitler" is doing the RIGHT thing to protect the American worker and Nation form a hostile foreign power.

 

[Lincoln1976]

Why is China fighting back? I thought TRade deficits/surpluses don't matter. Seems that the chinese think they do matter.

Interesting....

That's the point of my OP. China is playing along with our game because we're their most valuable asset, but they're controlling the game because they already won the 'trade war'....we owe them over a trillion dollars....If they decide to "fight back", we'll know.

Dude,if you owe someone mony,it means you have their money,simple as...the only thing that matters is if your in a position to get your money back.Not a new concept btw...just ask the Medici in the 17 century..they went nearly bankrupt for their (huge) loans to the emperor and pope...not haveing money owed to you is the art...getting it back IS! and here apply different rules than you small personal loan from your bank or your credit card debt.

Julius Cesar would be an excellent example for this: he borrowed so much money in his political campaigns which made him consule,that his lenders had to back him up,cause they wouldn't have seen a penny...true to form,Cesar payed it all back after his campaign in Gaul.

This notion,that China just has to snip their fingers and voila' the US are ruined is ridculous! it would destroy China as well btw.Further,we know that China is extremely in debt,yet no one knows exactly how much of GDP becuase they hide it quite well,since it's a fucking dictatorship and their State controlled people's bank of China does the bidding of the government.

As a cherry on top,China has a massive housing bubble going on and empty buildings are now common place (not that you would want to live in one)
quite an interesting insight into China by a South African guy who has lived there for 14 years:

 

[the other mike]

China's Belt and Road Initiative is the most ambitious infrastructure project in modern history. It spans over 60 countries and will cost over a trillion dollars. The plan is to make it easier for the world to trade with China, by funding roads, railways, pipelines, and other infrastructure projects in Asia and Africa. China is loaning trillions of dollars to any country that's willing to participate and it's been a big hit with the less democratic countries in the region. This makes the BRI a risky plan as well. But China is pushing forward because its goals are not strictly economic, they're also geopolitical.

 

[the other mike]

Dude,if you owe someone mony,it means you have their money,simple as...the only thing that matters is if your in a position to get your money back.Not a new concept btw...just ask the Medici in the 17 century..they went nearly bankrupt for their (huge) loans to the emperor and pope...not haveing money owed to you is the art...getting it back IS! and here apply different rules than you small personal loan from your bank or your credit card debt.

Julius Cesar would be an excellent example for this: he borrowed so much money in his political campaigns which made him consule,that his lenders had to back him up,cause they wouldn't have seen a penny...true to form,Cesar payed it all back after his campaign in Gaul.

This notion,that China just has to snip their fingers and voila' the US are ruined is ridculous! it would destroy China as well btw.Further,we know that China is extremely in debt,yet no one knows exactly how much of GDP becuase they hide it quite well,since it's a fucking dictatorship and their State controlled people's bank of China does the bidding of the government.

As a cherry on top,China has a massive housing bubble going on and empty buildings are now common place (not that you would want to live in one)
quite an interesting insight into China by a South African guy who has lived there for 14 years:

Maybe they're waiting for the big recession so they can demand
payment in land. Maybe we'll just give them all the federal parks - they should add up to
at least $1.5 trillion in real estate.

 

[Lincoln1976]

Dude,if you owe someone mony,it means you have their money,simple as...the only thing that matters is if your in a position to get your money back.Not a new concept btw...just ask the Medici in the 17 century..they went nearly bankrupt for their (huge) loans to the emperor and pope...not haveing money owed to you is the art...getting it back IS! and here apply different rules than you small personal loan from your bank or your credit card debt.

Julius Cesar would be an excellent example for this: he borrowed so much money in his political campaigns which made him consule,that his lenders had to back him up,cause they wouldn't have seen a penny...true to form,Cesar payed it all back after his campaign in Gaul.

This notion,that China just has to snip their fingers and voila' the US are ruined is ridculous! it would destroy China as well btw.Further,we know that China is extremely in debt,yet no one knows exactly how much of GDP becuase they hide it quite well,since it's a fucking dictatorship and their State controlled people's bank of China does the bidding of the government.

As a cherry on top,China has a massive housing bubble going on and empty buildings are now common place (not that you would want to live in one)
quite an interesting insight into China by a South African guy who has lived there for 14 years:

Maybe they're waiting for the big recession so they can demand
payment in land. Maybe we'll just give them all the federal parks - they should add up to
at least $1.5 trillion in real estate.

It's logic like that,which is the problem...economics 101...why is China doing bad? because they had their access to the US market restricted...sorry,the US is NOT the empty shell and "super power of the 20th century" the left wanted to make us belief under Obummer.
China has traditionally a very precarious balance act to fulfill: the huge gap between the interior and coastal region...the 300 million migrant worker,who the government exploits are from the (poor) interior...and they haven't seen their dreams fulfilled btw,even though they were basically made illegal migrants in their own country....yet,the interior has the biggest population overall....this conflict has lead to the downfall of Chinese dynasties before (Ming for instance) and it will do so again!

Ping making himself dictator for life wasn't just some random act...shit is about to get real and now,at the best moment possible,the US have elected a real leader who seizes the opportunity..brilliant and quite honest the usual 4D chess,President trump plays.Shame really,how little, people understand about that...



China is a collossos on clay feet,as they always have been

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Dude,if you owe someone mony,it means you have their money,simple as...the only thing that matters is if your in a position to get your money back.Not a new concept btw...just ask the Medici in the 17 century..they went nearly bankrupt for their (huge) loans to the emperor and pope...not haveing money owed to you is the art...getting it back IS! and here apply different rules than you small personal loan from your bank or your credit card debt.

Julius Cesar would be an excellent example for this: he borrowed so much money in his political campaigns which made him consule,that his lenders had to back him up,cause they wouldn't have seen a penny...true to form,Cesar payed it all back after his campaign in Gaul.

This notion,that China just has to snip their fingers and voila' the US are ruined is ridculous! it would destroy China as well btw.Further,we know that China is extremely in debt,yet no one knows exactly how much of GDP becuase they hide it quite well,since it's a fucking dictatorship and their State controlled people's bank of China does the bidding of the government.

As a cherry on top,China has a massive housing bubble going on and empty buildings are now common place (not that you would want to live in one)
quite an interesting insight into China by a South African guy who has lived there for 14 years:

Maybe they're waiting for the big recession so they can demand
payment in land. Maybe we'll just give them all the federal parks - they should add up to
at least $1.5 trillion in real estate.

We can ship them pallets of $100s.
IIRC, they cost about 14 cents to print.