A question about I.C.E.

[eagle1462010]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

6 billion? That's a small price to protect our borders, ie, our safety.
The Department of Agriculture has an annual budget of over 150 Billion. What the hell does that bureaucracy grow?

ICE does not protect the border

Border Patrol nabs them...................ICE TRIES THEM..............Which is about the dang same as INS............

 

[eagle1462010]

Border Patrol does the 100 miles from the border.........rest are handled by ICE.........

Including those overstaying their visa's.................too dang bad.............

 

[eagle1462010]

We are so evil.................let's take a look at how the rest of the NOBLE world does it.......

Here's the UK.............

Renting to illegal immigrants could lead to up to five years in prison

Landlords who rent properties to illegal immigrants will face up to five years in prison under a crackdown to be announced by the Government on 3 August.

The move is part a drive to make it harder for migrants to live in the UK when they have no right to be in the country. It is also aimed at landlords who house immigrants in unsafe and overcrowded properties. A blacklist of “rogue landlords” and letting agents who are repeat offenders will be created and they will be banned.

 

[eagle1462010]

OMFG.........France is holding them in cages for 90 days......

Tough French immigration bill approved

Hostile environment: the UK government's draconian immigration policy explained
Under then home secretary Theresa May’s leadership, every migration stream was restricted in some way. High skilled routes were closed and a cap was placed on the number of Tier 2 visas issued annually. Eligibility criteria were harshly increased. The remaining seasonal schemes were terminated and family reunification was made harder. A swathe of other stringent measures on language requirements, income thresholds, economic resources, working rights and increasing settlement requirements came in across all migration streams.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

6 billion? That's a small price to protect our borders, ie, our safety.
The Department of Agriculture has an annual budget of over 150 Billion. What the hell does that bureaucracy grow?

ICE does not protect the border

Border Patrol nabs them...................ICE TRIES THEM..............Which is about the dang same as INS............

Yes, just about the sames as INS, but now we have three sets of bureaucrats and 3 people in charge, and 3 different communication channels

 

[eagle1462010]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

6 billion? That's a small price to protect our borders, ie, our safety.
The Department of Agriculture has an annual budget of over 150 Billion. What the hell does that bureaucracy grow?

ICE does not protect the border

Border Patrol nabs them...................ICE TRIES THEM..............Which is about the dang same as INS............

Yes, just about the sames as INS, but now we have three sets of bureaucrats and 3 people in charge, and 3 different communication channels

There were separate groups under INS.............

Now look at italy as far back as 2002.
Harsh Immigration Law Passed in Italy - European Roma Rights Centre

On July 11, 2002, the Italian government passed by decree Law No. 177, the "Bossi Fini" law, introducing criminal sanctions for persons caught illegally entering the country or who return after being expelled. Under the new law, an immigrant who is stopped without a residence permit will be accompanied to the border and expelled immediately. Immigrants are also subject to arrest and detention of six to twelve months, to be followed by immediate deportation, if caught attempting to re-enter Italy before the expiry of a re-entry ban. A second offence is punishable by up to four years imprisonment. The permit for residence of immigrants has been strictly linked to a work contract. Also under the new law, the time limit for seclusion in detention centres whilst waiting for extradition has been extended from thirty days to sixty days and asylum seekers will be placed in detention while awaiting asylum review,

 

[jc456]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

6 billion? That's a small price to protect our borders, ie, our safety.
The Department of Agriculture has an annual budget of over 150 Billion. What the hell does that bureaucracy grow?

ICE does not protect the border

Nope, they protect american citizens. Kind of what you would expect from a mayor of a city, yet nope

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Doing either one is what blind partisans do all I'm saying is don't single ICE out just because it's the trend of he moment. If people want to have a real discussion about government waste and government agencies that have become irrelevant and no longer serve any real purpose fine like I said lets look at all of them.

I am not pushing for them to go away, just wanted to know how much people on either side knew about what ICE does...the answer is very little indeed.

If I could pick one agency to go away first it would be the Dept of Ed for sure

There you go again! There is no "Dept of Ed".

My God, you are the consummate dumbass!

There is no Department of Education?

Then why the hell are we paying DeVos so much damn money to run it?

You might want to get ahold of the webmaster of this site and let them know.... Home | U.S. Department of Education


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It is called the Education Department, you boob!

ED is erectile dysfunction! You should know, Mr. Flaccid.

Yeah. That is why their website says United States Department of Education” on it, because that is not their name.

Your obsession with my dick has you being even more ignorant than normal.


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I didn't mention your dick at all. Talk about projection...

 

[toobfreak]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

Easy way to fund ICE for free: cancel the useless TSA.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

I would like to see Border patrol, Customs, and ICE all rolled into one organization.

Newsflash: They are! It's called Homeland Security!

Newsflash, they AREN'T. They are separate entities under the over all umbrella of HS. They need to be ONE entity, with ONE director and one group of bureaucrats. Not three of everything.

Nope. Three different organizations with three different missions.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

Easy way to fund ICE for free: cancel the useless TSA.

How many planes have been hijacked since TSA came into existence? Useless? I don't think so.

 

[toobfreak]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

Easy way to fund ICE for free: cancel the useless TSA.

How many planes have been hijacked since TSA came into existence? Useless? I don't think so.

And you think the idiot, clueless, overpriced terroristic gestapo TSA was necessary to prevent that?

 

[westwall]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

I would like to see Border patrol, Customs, and ICE all rolled into one organization.

Newsflash: They are! It's called Homeland Security!

Newsflash, they AREN'T. They are separate entities under the over all umbrella of HS. They need to be ONE entity, with ONE director and one group of bureaucrats. Not three of everything.

Nope. Three different organizations with three different missions.

They interact so much that that makes no sense. Border Patrol now guards the first 100 miles, then ICE takes over, combine the two, information is transmitted easier, and the admin can do both jobs for the same money. Add in Customs, and you get rid of another layer of admin, and because they monitor goods coming in, they work hand in hand with Border Patrol. Win, win, win.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

Easy way to fund ICE for free: cancel the useless TSA.

How many planes have been hijacked since TSA came into existence? Useless? I don't think so.

And you think the idiot, clueless, overpriced terroristic gestapo TSA was necessary to prevent that?

Why don't you read through some of the older threads about TSA and see if you want to tackle that topic. You are woefully overmatched with your hyperbole.

 

[Leo123]

So, this is a new agency, part of the multiple layers of government and bureaucracy that was added after 9/11.

We as a country survived and thrived for 227 years without ICE, why is it now the linchpin to our very survival as a county?

They have a budget of more than 6 billion dollars a year, what do we get for that money? Does anyone have any stats on the return we are getting for that money since ICE was started in 2003?

It used to be called 'INS' same function....ICE is just a new name.