A New International Order on Peace?

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    Pope wants new international order to keep peace</a>


    By Claire Soares

    VATICAN CITY, Jan 1 (Reuters) - The world needs a "new international order"
    to solve its conflicts and ensure peace, Pope John Paul said in his New Year's
    Day address on Thursday.

    The ghosts of 2003 -- when the United States invaded Iraq without United
    Nations approval -- dominated the pope's first speech of 2004.

    "More than ever we need a new international order which draws on the
    experience andresults of the United Nations," the 83-year-old pontiff said at a
    mass in St Peter's Basilica.

    "An order which is capable of finding adequate solutions to today's problems,
    based on the dignity of human beings, on integrating all society, on solidarity
    between rich and poor countries, on the sharing of resources and the
    extraordinary results of scientific and technological progress," he added.

    Speaking at Christendom's largest church, the pope urged people not to lose
    hope of finding peace in the Holy Land, which the Vatican feels is vital to
    winning the war on terror.

    "The land in which Jesus was born sadly continues to live in a dramatic
    condition. And in other parts of the world sparks of violence and conflict have
    not been extinguished either. But we need to persevere and not bow to the
    temptation of losing hope."

    Turning to Africa, the pope paid tribute to his Burundi ambassador, Michael
    Courtney, killed on Monday in an ambush the army has blamed on rebels who
    have refused to join a peace process to end a 10-year conflict.

    "(He) was tragically killed...while he was going about his mission of promoting
    dialogue and reconciliation. We pray for him and hope his example and
    sacrifice will bear the fruits of peace in Burundi and the world," the pope said.

    The leader of the world's one billion Catholics, who suffers from Parkinson's
    disease that makes it difficult for him to talk, seemed alert and read all of his
    homily in a clear voice.

    But it is unclear what 2004 holds for him. For the first time since his election in
    1978, the pope enters the new year with no firm plans for travel, although there
    have been some invitations.

    He was particularly weak on his last foreign trip, a visit to Slovakia in
    September, when aides had to read most of his addresses for him.
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    With all due respect, what good would this do?

    The people who want peace are already doing their best to get it. The people
    who don't are fighting against it.

    An International Peace Order seems more than a little silly to me.
    Almost as silly as praising the U.N.
     
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    Have to agree with you there, however as a Catholic I wouldn't expect different from the Pope. With that said, I've found much of the screed coming out from the Vatican lately in the category of 'Useful Idiots.' To be expected.

    If someone non-Catholic wrote that, I probably would feel they were Catholic bashing. Go figure.
     
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    Well, I am not Catholic myself, though I didn't intend this
    post to be a Catholic-bashing one. Just a post against what
    seems to me to be fluffy n' hugs, logic lacking anti-war sentiment.
     
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    and on that we agree. As I said, it's what I expect from the Pope. Even on the subject of 'just war' which he made pretty clear applied to Afghanistan, he still 'hoped/prayed for Peace.'
     
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    Gotcha :) Just wanted to make it clear that I hadn't intended to bash Catholics.
     
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    No fear. I think your comments in the original post were on point and relevant. It's suprising though how much bashing there is of Catholics, we are the go to group. Granted the pedophile priests and coverup made it easy pickens, yet only an idiot couldn't see what a small number this was.
     
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    The pedophiles only help add to prejudice that was there already.
    Some of it, I think, is justified, some's definitely not. The Catholic
    Church is a very large institution. That makes it easy for problems
    to enter at many levels. Because of its hierarchical nature, some are
    hard to fix. But my guess is that the church would run into opposition
    with or without those problems. Christians have since ever they
    began.

    Just stay strong, this period of opposition will pass. In the meantime,
    I hope that the problems that have been brought to light will be
    dealt with more easily.
     
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    mary poppins, you are way correct. The true teachings of the Church haven't changed and are upheld by most Christian sects. What's funny is that our Protestant brethren don't realize how Protestant so many of the US Catholic churches have become.

    I teach in a Catholic school. The pastor that is responsible for it refuses to have a crucifix or representation of Mary/Holy Family/saints/stations of the cross in the church. For some 'weird reason' some of the parishioners have a problem with this. For myself, I feel that I'm in my Presbyterian friend's house of worship. An Episcopal or Lutheran church would seem more 'normal' to myself.
     
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    You're right, I certainly can't really tell how protestant Catholic churches have become, mostly because I don't know enough about Catholic Church history to know what they were like to begin with.


    I do recall my Dad marveling at hearing a Luther song sung
    in a Catholic church, though, so I think you're probably right
    about the change.

    It's interesting to hear your perspective on that. I hadn't really ever thought about it before.
     
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    Interesting post. I'm deducting that your dad was Catholic and Mom protestant, as you are?

    Both my parents were Catholic, my ex was Jewish of a sort. In spite of his being an idiot, I'm pretty pro-Israel.

    US Catholic church somewhat different than 'Catholic Church' but only in some aspects.
     

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