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The standard talking points prevail, the moral issue gets lost in meaningless jargon. Now consider the only bit of substance from the right wing puppets above that costs will increase, then read another quote below. Read the book. See bold.
"As we saw in the national debate over that bill, efforts to increase coverage tend to be derailed by arguments about "big government" or "free enterprise" or "socialism" - and the essential moral question gets lost in the shouting. ¶ All the other developed countries on earth have made a different moral decision. All the other countries like us-that is, wealthy, technologically advanced, industrialized democracies - guarantee medical care to anyone who gees sick. Countries that are just as committed as we are to equal opportunity, individual liberty, and the free market have concluded that everybody has a right to health care - and they provide it .. One result is that most rich countries have better national health statistics-longer life expectancy; lower infant mortality, better recovery rates from major diseases-than the United States does. Yet all the other rich countries spend far less on health care than the United States does."
No. It doesn't happen in any other purportedly civilized country.
But then again, there's no other purportedly civilized country where elections are funded through the contributions of the insurance industry.
I wonder if willow ijit gets Medicare.
If you think similar circumstances do not arise in other 'civilized' countries, I'd suggest you get the fuck out of your bubble and live in some of those countries, and get sick and see for yourself what their 'civilized' healthcare does for you. See for yourself what a hospital in the UK is like - they're fucking dire, for the record. Or head to France and discover that, yes, some of your care is funded - the rest of it, you have to have private insurance to cover.
It's fine and dandy to pretend we are so much worse than the rest of the 'civilized' world... but unless you've actually lived in the countries you're comparing us to... you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. I do. I've lived it.
That is what every single person i know in UK and AU and Sweeden complain about.... they have to pay for BOTH, private and public health insurance, to get the care they want and or require... that or leave the country to get it.
Yet all the other rich countries spend far less on health care than the United States does."
If you think similar circumstances do not arise in other 'civilized' countries, I'd suggest you get the fuck out of your bubble and live in some of those countries, and get sick and see for yourself what their 'civilized' healthcare does for you. See for yourself what a hospital in the UK is like - they're fucking dire, for the record. Or head to France and discover that, yes, some of your care is funded - the rest of it, you have to have private insurance to cover.
It's fine and dandy to pretend we are so much worse than the rest of the 'civilized' world... but unless you've actually lived in the countries you're comparing us to... you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. I do. I've lived it.
That is what every single person i know in UK and AU and Sweeden complain about.... they have to pay for BOTH, private and public health insurance, to get the care they want and or require... that or leave the country to get it.
Exactly. I pay into their system... I used it once. It was a nightmare from start to finish. Never again.
Think about the advances in medical treatments and drugs over the past 50 years, 100 years. Do you really think those advances will continue under a single payer system? Currently, about 95% of those advances take place in the US, once the profit motive is gone most of the progress goes with it. How moral is it to reduce or eliminate that?
"If Nikki White had been a resident of any other rich country, she would be alive today."
"Around the time she graduated from college, Monique A. "Nikki" White contracted systemic lupus erythematosus; that's a serious disease, but one that modern medicine knows how to manage. If this bright, feisty, dazzling young woman had lived in, say, Japan - the world's second - richest nation - or Germany (third richest), or Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Canada, Sweden, etc., the health care systems there would have given her the standard treatment for lupus, and she could have lived a normal life span. But Nikki White was a citizen of the world's richest country, the United States of America. Once she was sick, she couldn't get health insurance. Like tens of millions of her fellow Americans, she had too much money to qualify for health care under welfare, but too little money to pay for the drugs and doctors she needed to stay alive. She spent the last months of her life frantically writing letters and filling out forms, pleading for help. When she died, Nikki White was thirty-two years old." From prologue of book linked below.
"On September 11, 2001, some three thousand Americans were killed by terrorists; our country has spent hundreds of billions of dollars to make sure it doesn't happen again. But that same year, and every year since then, some twenty thousand Americans died because they couldn't get health care. That doesn't happen in any other developed country. Hundreds of thousands of Americans go bankrupt every year because of medical bills. That doesn't happen in any other developed country either." T.R. Reid 'The Healing of America'
Often no personal comment is required, life speaks for itself, or is that death? Check 'look inside' on Amazon for more. Amazon.com: The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care: T. R. Reid: Books
No. It doesn't happen in any other purportedly civilized country.
But then again, there's no other purportedly civilized country where elections are funded through the contributions of the insurance industry.
I wonder if willow ijit gets Medicare.
If you think similar circumstances do not arise in other 'civilized' countries, I'd suggest you get the fuck out of your bubble and live in some of those countries, and get sick and see for yourself what their 'civilized' healthcare does for you. See for yourself what a hospital in the UK is like - they're fucking dire, for the record. Or head to France and discover that, yes, some of your care is funded - the rest of it, you have to have private insurance to cover.
It's fine and dandy to pretend we are so much worse than the rest of the 'civilized' world... but unless you've actually lived in the countries you're comparing us to... you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. I do. I've lived it.
Once she was sick, she couldn't get health insurance. Like tens of millions of her fellow Americans, she had too much money to qualify for health care under welfare, but too little money to pay for the drugs and doctors she needed to stay alive.
I thought libs believed in moral relativism anyway. Morality depends on how you feel that day.
"If Nikki White had been a resident of any other rich country, she would be alive today."
"Around the time she graduated from college, Monique A. "Nikki" White contracted systemic lupus erythematosus; that's a serious disease, but one that modern medicine knows how to manage. If this bright, feisty, dazzling young woman had lived in, say, Japan - the world's second - richest nation - or Germany (third richest), or Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Canada, Sweden, etc., the health care systems there would have given her the standard treatment for lupus, and she could have lived a normal life span. But Nikki White was a citizen of the world's richest country, the United States of America. Once she was sick, she couldn't get health insurance. Like tens of millions of her fellow Americans, she had too much money to qualify for health care under welfare, but too little money to pay for the drugs and doctors she needed to stay alive. She spent the last months of her life frantically writing letters and filling out forms, pleading for help. When she died, Nikki White was thirty-two years old." From prologue of book linked below.
"On September 11, 2001, some three thousand Americans were killed by terrorists; our country has spent hundreds of billions of dollars to make sure it doesn't happen again. But that same year, and every year since then, some twenty thousand Americans died because they couldn't get health care. That doesn't happen in any other developed country. Hundreds of thousands of Americans go bankrupt every year because of medical bills. That doesn't happen in any other developed country either." T.R. Reid 'The Healing of America'
Often no personal comment is required, life speaks for itself, or is that death? Check 'look inside' on Amazon for more. Amazon.com: The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care: T. R. Reid: Books
I thought libs believed in moral relativism anyway. Morality depends on how you feel that day.
Wiseacre doesn't strike me as being a "lib." Thus his moral relativism is likely rooted in something else than modern liberalism.
Morality, that is, as it is preached on high from Capitoline Hill by socialist progressives.Are we not getting down to the question of individualism vs collectivism? Equality of outcomes? Progressive liberals love to cloak this in an argument over morality, regardless of the issue at hand. And of course, bigger gov't is always the answer. Only one choice, do what the gov't says; little or no freedom or liberty, no personal or property rights unless granted by the gov't. Take a look at what's been going on over the past century. We led the world then, but not any more.
Morality, that is, as it is preached on high from Capitoline Hill by socialist progressives.Are we not getting down to the question of individualism vs collectivism? Equality of outcomes? Progressive liberals love to cloak this in an argument over morality, regardless of the issue at hand. And of course, bigger gov't is always the answer. Only one choice, do what the gov't says; little or no freedom or liberty, no personal or property rights unless granted by the gov't. Take a look at what's been going on over the past century. We led the world then, but not any more.
Which pretty much covers the bases as to why they mock and deride religious institutions.
There are some things above partisan ideology and stupidity, the health of each American is one of them.
A comprehensive, single-payer health care system is not a disincentive, its not going to make Americans lazy or stupid or cause the collapse of American society.
