'A Moral Question'

[midcan5]

"If Nikki White had been a resident of any other rich country, she would be alive today."

"Around the time she graduated from college, Monique A. "Nikki" White contracted systemic lupus erythematosus; that's a serious disease, but one that modern medicine knows how to manage. If this bright, feisty, dazzling young woman had lived in, say, Japan - the world's second - richest nation - or Germany (third richest), or Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Canada, Sweden, etc., the health care systems there would have given her the standard treatment for lupus, and she could have lived a normal life span. But Nikki White was a citizen of the world's richest country, the United States of America. Once she was sick, she couldn't get health insurance. Like tens of millions of her fellow Americans, she had too much money to qualify for health care under welfare, but too little money to pay for the drugs and doctors she needed to stay alive. She spent the last months of her life frantically writing letters and filling out forms, pleading for help. When she died, Nikki White was thirty-two years old." From prologue of book linked below.

"On September 11, 2001, some three thousand Americans were killed by terrorists; our country has spent hundreds of billions of dollars to make sure it doesn't happen again. But that same year, and every year since then, some twenty thousand Americans died because they couldn't get health care. That doesn't happen in any other developed country. Hundreds of thousands of Americans go bankrupt every year because of medical bills. That doesn't happen in any other developed country either." T.R. Reid 'The Healing of America'

Often no personal comment is required, life speaks for itself, or is that death? Check 'look inside' on Amazon for more. [ame=http://www.amazon.com/Healing-America-Global-Better-Cheaper/dp/B004KAB348/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8]Amazon.com: The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care: T. R. Reid: Books[/ame]

 

[WillowTree]

get ready, it's going to happen a lot more now that you have your precious obamatax.

 

[jillian]

"If Nikki White had been a resident of any other rich country, she would be alive today."

"Around the time she graduated from college, Monique A. "Nikki" White contracted systemic lupus erythematosus; that's a serious disease, but one that modern medicine knows how to manage. If this bright, feisty, dazzling young woman had lived in, say, Japan - the world's second - richest nation - or Germany (third richest), or Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Canada, Sweden, etc., the health care systems there would have given her the standard treatment for lupus, and she could have lived a normal life span. But Nikki White was a citizen of the world's richest country, the United States of America. Once she was sick, she couldn't get health insurance. Like tens of millions of her fellow Americans, she had too much money to qualify for health care under welfare, but too little money to pay for the drugs and doctors she needed to stay alive. She spent the last months of her life frantically writing letters and filling out forms, pleading for help. When she died, Nikki White was thirty-two years old." From prologue of book linked below.

"On September 11, 2001, some three thousand Americans were killed by terrorists; our country has spent hundreds of billions of dollars to make sure it doesn't happen again. But that same year, and every year since then, some twenty thousand Americans died because they couldn't get health care. That doesn't happen in any other developed country. Hundreds of thousands of Americans go bankrupt every year because of medical bills. That doesn't happen in any other developed country either." T.R. Reid 'The Healing of America'

Often no personal comment is required, life speaks for itself, or is that death? Check 'look inside' on Amazon for more. Amazon.com: The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care: T. R. Reid: Books

No. It doesn't happen in any other purportedly civilized country.

But then again, there's no other purportedly civilized country where elections are funded through the contributions of the insurance industry.

I wonder if willow ijit gets Medicare.

 

[WillowTree]

"If Nikki White had been a resident of any other rich country, she would be alive today."

"Around the time she graduated from college, Monique A. "Nikki" White contracted systemic lupus erythematosus; that's a serious disease, but one that modern medicine knows how to manage. If this bright, feisty, dazzling young woman had lived in, say, Japan - the world's second - richest nation - or Germany (third richest), or Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Canada, Sweden, etc., the health care systems there would have given her the standard treatment for lupus, and she could have lived a normal life span. But Nikki White was a citizen of the world's richest country, the United States of America. Once she was sick, she couldn't get health insurance. Like tens of millions of her fellow Americans, she had too much money to qualify for health care under welfare, but too little money to pay for the drugs and doctors she needed to stay alive. She spent the last months of her life frantically writing letters and filling out forms, pleading for help. When she died, Nikki White was thirty-two years old." From prologue of book linked below.

"On September 11, 2001, some three thousand Americans were killed by terrorists; our country has spent hundreds of billions of dollars to make sure it doesn't happen again. But that same year, and every year since then, some twenty thousand Americans died because they couldn't get health care. That doesn't happen in any other developed country. Hundreds of thousands of Americans go bankrupt every year because of medical bills. That doesn't happen in any other developed country either." T.R. Reid 'The Healing of America'

Often no personal comment is required, life speaks for itself, or is that death? Check 'look inside' on Amazon for more. Amazon.com: The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care: T. R. Reid: Books

No. It doesn't happen in any other purportedly civilized country.

But then again, there's no other purportedly civilized country where elections are funded through the contributions of the insurance industry.

I wonder if willow ijit gets Medicare.

you're gonna pay for my operation on tuesday and I love it.

 

[Old Rocks]

Bet she does, and complains mightily if things are not what she thinks they should be.

Interesting, that up to the age of 65, the stats for Americans in health care are third world. But after 65, they are midrange in the industrial nations. MediCare kicks in at 65, should tell these ideological idiots something.

 

[WillowTree]

well but old rocks,,, and jilly billy you got to remember obamatax defunds medicare by 500 Billion dollars,, so you don't have to worry about us getting too much. aren't you proud of your thief in chief?

 

[Old Rocks]

"If Nikki White had been a resident of any other rich country, she would be alive today."

"Around the time she graduated from college, Monique A. "Nikki" White contracted systemic lupus erythematosus; that's a serious disease, but one that modern medicine knows how to manage. If this bright, feisty, dazzling young woman had lived in, say, Japan - the world's second - richest nation - or Germany (third richest), or Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Canada, Sweden, etc., the health care systems there would have given her the standard treatment for lupus, and she could have lived a normal life span. But Nikki White was a citizen of the world's richest country, the United States of America. Once she was sick, she couldn't get health insurance. Like tens of millions of her fellow Americans, she had too much money to qualify for health care under welfare, but too little money to pay for the drugs and doctors she needed to stay alive. She spent the last months of her life frantically writing letters and filling out forms, pleading for help. When she died, Nikki White was thirty-two years old." From prologue of book linked below.

"On September 11, 2001, some three thousand Americans were killed by terrorists; our country has spent hundreds of billions of dollars to make sure it doesn't happen again. But that same year, and every year since then, some twenty thousand Americans died because they couldn't get health care. That doesn't happen in any other developed country. Hundreds of thousands of Americans go bankrupt every year because of medical bills. That doesn't happen in any other developed country either." T.R. Reid 'The Healing of America'

Often no personal comment is required, life speaks for itself, or is that death? Check 'look inside' on Amazon for more. Amazon.com: The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care: T. R. Reid: Books

No. It doesn't happen in any other purportedly civilized country.

But then again, there's no other purportedly civilized country where elections are funded through the contributions of the insurance industry.

I wonder if willow ijit gets Medicare.

you're gonna pay for my operation on tuesday and I love it.

Yep. And the young lady died for the greed of the people in our system that are extremely rich off of other peoples suffering. And you love that, also.

It ain't rocket science, folks. Other nations are successfully doing what the GOP says cannot be done. Doing so for half the cost per citizen, and covering all of their citizens. Time to do the same.

 

[Old Rocks]

well but old rocks,,, and jilly billy you got to remember obamatax defunds medicare by 500 Billion dollars,, so you don't have to worry about us getting too much. aren't you proud of your thief in chief?

Now Widyo Willo, we realize that you are mentally challenged enough to not realize that is a lie.

 

[WillowTree]

well but old rocks,,, and jilly billy you got to remember obamatax defunds medicare by 500 Billion dollars,, so you don't have to worry about us getting too much. aren't you proud of your thief in chief?

Now Widyo Willo, we realize that you are mentally challenged enough to not realize that is a lie.

it's a fact jack, 500 Billion taken from medicare and 500 billion in new taxes, it's how they fund obamatax. now how damn moral is it to raid a fund that folks have been FORCED to pay into their entire working lives? Not so much is it?

 

[Old Rocks]

Of course, Widyo Willo would be just totally aghast if the system that I advocate were put into place. A universal single payer health care system that covers all citizens, funded through a single digit income tax on all income, whatever the source.

 

[WillowTree]

Of course, Widyo Willo would be just totally aghast if the system that I advocate were put into place. A universal single payer health care system that covers all citizens, funded through a single digit income tax on all income, whatever the source.

I wouldn't be aghast at all if 100% of Americans paid FEDERAL taxes to pay for it, it won't work though if you keep the 50% of leeches leeching.

 

[Meister]

"If Nikki White had been a resident of any other rich country, she would be alive today."

"Around the time she graduated from college, Monique A. "Nikki" White contracted systemic lupus erythematosus; that's a serious disease, but one that modern medicine knows how to manage. If this bright, feisty, dazzling young woman had lived in, say, Japan - the world's second - richest nation - or Germany (third richest), or Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Canada, Sweden, etc., the health care systems there would have given her the standard treatment for lupus, and she could have lived a normal life span. But Nikki White was a citizen of the world's richest country, the United States of America. Once she was sick, she couldn't get health insurance. Like tens of millions of her fellow Americans, she had too much money to qualify for health care under welfare, but too little money to pay for the drugs and doctors she needed to stay alive. She spent the last months of her life frantically writing letters and filling out forms, pleading for help. When she died, Nikki White was thirty-two years old." From prologue of book linked below.

"On September 11, 2001, some three thousand Americans were killed by terrorists; our country has spent hundreds of billions of dollars to make sure it doesn't happen again. But that same year, and every year since then, some twenty thousand Americans died because they couldn't get health care. That doesn't happen in any other developed country. Hundreds of thousands of Americans go bankrupt every year because of medical bills. That doesn't happen in any other developed country either." T.R. Reid 'The Healing of America'

Often no personal comment is required, life speaks for itself, or is that death? Check 'look inside' on Amazon for more. Amazon.com: The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care: T. R. Reid: Books

I'm sure there are emotional stories that tug at the heart from any healthcare system in the world just like this one.

 

[California Girl]

"If Nikki White had been a resident of any other rich country, she would be alive today."

"Around the time she graduated from college, Monique A. "Nikki" White contracted systemic lupus erythematosus; that's a serious disease, but one that modern medicine knows how to manage. If this bright, feisty, dazzling young woman had lived in, say, Japan - the world's second - richest nation - or Germany (third richest), or Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Canada, Sweden, etc., the health care systems there would have given her the standard treatment for lupus, and she could have lived a normal life span. But Nikki White was a citizen of the world's richest country, the United States of America. Once she was sick, she couldn't get health insurance. Like tens of millions of her fellow Americans, she had too much money to qualify for health care under welfare, but too little money to pay for the drugs and doctors she needed to stay alive. She spent the last months of her life frantically writing letters and filling out forms, pleading for help. When she died, Nikki White was thirty-two years old." From prologue of book linked below.

"On September 11, 2001, some three thousand Americans were killed by terrorists; our country has spent hundreds of billions of dollars to make sure it doesn't happen again. But that same year, and every year since then, some twenty thousand Americans died because they couldn't get health care. That doesn't happen in any other developed country. Hundreds of thousands of Americans go bankrupt every year because of medical bills. That doesn't happen in any other developed country either." T.R. Reid 'The Healing of America'

Often no personal comment is required, life speaks for itself, or is that death? Check 'look inside' on Amazon for more. Amazon.com: The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care: T. R. Reid: Books

No. It doesn't happen in any other purportedly civilized country.

But then again, there's no other purportedly civilized country where elections are funded through the contributions of the insurance industry.

I wonder if willow ijit gets Medicare.

If you think similar circumstances do not arise in other 'civilized' countries, I'd suggest you get the fuck out of your bubble and live in some of those countries, and get sick and see for yourself what their 'civilized' healthcare does for you. See for yourself what a hospital in the UK is like - they're fucking dire, for the record. Or head to France and discover that, yes, some of your care is funded - the rest of it, you have to have private insurance to cover.

It's fine and dandy to pretend we are so much worse than the rest of the 'civilized' world... but unless you've actually lived in the countries you're comparing us to... you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. I do. I've lived it.

 

[WillowTree]

"If Nikki White had been a resident of any other rich country, she would be alive today."

"Around the time she graduated from college, Monique A. "Nikki" White contracted systemic lupus erythematosus; that's a serious disease, but one that modern medicine knows how to manage. If this bright, feisty, dazzling young woman had lived in, say, Japan - the world's second - richest nation - or Germany (third richest), or Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Canada, Sweden, etc., the health care systems there would have given her the standard treatment for lupus, and she could have lived a normal life span. But Nikki White was a citizen of the world's richest country, the United States of America. Once she was sick, she couldn't get health insurance. Like tens of millions of her fellow Americans, she had too much money to qualify for health care under welfare, but too little money to pay for the drugs and doctors she needed to stay alive. She spent the last months of her life frantically writing letters and filling out forms, pleading for help. When she died, Nikki White was thirty-two years old." From prologue of book linked below.

"On September 11, 2001, some three thousand Americans were killed by terrorists; our country has spent hundreds of billions of dollars to make sure it doesn't happen again. But that same year, and every year since then, some twenty thousand Americans died because they couldn't get health care. That doesn't happen in any other developed country. Hundreds of thousands of Americans go bankrupt every year because of medical bills. That doesn't happen in any other developed country either." T.R. Reid 'The Healing of America'

Often no personal comment is required, life speaks for itself, or is that death? Check 'look inside' on Amazon for more. Amazon.com: The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care: T. R. Reid: Books

No. It doesn't happen in any other purportedly civilized country.

But then again, there's no other purportedly civilized country where elections are funded through the contributions of the insurance industry.

I wonder if willow ijit gets Medicare.

If you think similar circumstances do not arise in other 'civilized' countries, I'd suggest you get the fuck out of your bubble and live in some of those countries, and get sick and see for yourself what their 'civilized' healthcare does for you. See for yourself what a hospital in the UK is like - they're fucking dire, for the record. Or head to France and discover that, yes, some of your care is funded - the rest of it, you have to have private insurance to cover.

It's fine and dandy to pretend we are so much worse than the rest of the 'civilized' world... but unless you've actually lived in the countries you're comparing us to... you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. I do. I've lived it.

They could give a fuck CG. They're the "hate America first" Americans.

 

[California Girl]

No. It doesn't happen in any other purportedly civilized country.

But then again, there's no other purportedly civilized country where elections are funded through the contributions of the insurance industry.

I wonder if willow ijit gets Medicare.

If you think similar circumstances do not arise in other 'civilized' countries, I'd suggest you get the fuck out of your bubble and live in some of those countries, and get sick and see for yourself what their 'civilized' healthcare does for you. See for yourself what a hospital in the UK is like - they're fucking dire, for the record. Or head to France and discover that, yes, some of your care is funded - the rest of it, you have to have private insurance to cover.

It's fine and dandy to pretend we are so much worse than the rest of the 'civilized' world... but unless you've actually lived in the countries you're comparing us to... you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. I do. I've lived it.

They could give a fuck CG. They're the "hate America first" Americans.

I honestly don't believe that, WillyT. I believe they are guided by ideology and don't have a fucking clue what they're actually talking about. At least, that's my hope. I've seen the healthcare of these other countries that our left wing aspire to. If they want it, they should go experience it. Like I have. Then maybe they'd understand that the grass ain't greener on the other side of the fence. It just looks that way.

 

[WillowTree]

If you think similar circumstances do not arise in other 'civilized' countries, I'd suggest you get the fuck out of your bubble and live in some of those countries, and get sick and see for yourself what their 'civilized' healthcare does for you. See for yourself what a hospital in the UK is like - they're fucking dire, for the record. Or head to France and discover that, yes, some of your care is funded - the rest of it, you have to have private insurance to cover.

It's fine and dandy to pretend we are so much worse than the rest of the 'civilized' world... but unless you've actually lived in the countries you're comparing us to... you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. I do. I've lived it.

They could give a fuck CG. They're the "hate America first" Americans.

I honestly don't believe that, WillyT. I believe they are guided by ideology and don't have a fucking clue what they're actually talking about. At least, that's my hope. I've seen the healthcare of these other countries that our left wing aspire to. If they want it, they should go experience it. Like I have. Then maybe they'd understand that the grass ain't greener on the other side of the fence. It just looks that way.

They bash this country continuously, they bash the rich, the innovators, the successful. There is no other conclusion that I can come to.

 

[Katzndogz]

Is there some guarantee that Nikki's treatment would have been approved by a government bureaucrat?

 

[jillian]

"If Nikki White had been a resident of any other rich country, she would be alive today."

"Around the time she graduated from college, Monique A. "Nikki" White contracted systemic lupus erythematosus; that's a serious disease, but one that modern medicine knows how to manage. If this bright, feisty, dazzling young woman had lived in, say, Japan - the world's second - richest nation - or Germany (third richest), or Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Canada, Sweden, etc., the health care systems there would have given her the standard treatment for lupus, and she could have lived a normal life span. But Nikki White was a citizen of the world's richest country, the United States of America. Once she was sick, she couldn't get health insurance. Like tens of millions of her fellow Americans, she had too much money to qualify for health care under welfare, but too little money to pay for the drugs and doctors she needed to stay alive. She spent the last months of her life frantically writing letters and filling out forms, pleading for help. When she died, Nikki White was thirty-two years old." From prologue of book linked below.

"On September 11, 2001, some three thousand Americans were killed by terrorists; our country has spent hundreds of billions of dollars to make sure it Idoesn't happen again. But that same year, and every year since then, some twenty thousand Americans died because they couldn't get health care. That doesn't happen in any other developed country. Hundreds of thousands of Americans go bankrupt every year because of medical bills. That doesn't happen in any other developed country either." T.R. Reid 'The Healing of America'

Often no personal comment is required, life speaks for itself, or is that death? Check 'look inside' on Amazon for more. Amazon.com: The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care: T. R. Reid: Books

No. It doesn't happen in any other purportedly civilized country.

But then again, there's no other purportedly civilized country where elections are funded through the contributions of the insurance industry.

I wonder if willow ijit gets Medicare.

you're gonna pay for my operation on tuesday and I love it.

But I don't care b/c I'm not a hypocritical loon.

Funny how you live off of the lib who pays a ton of taxes, though, leech

 

[midcan5]

The standard talking points prevail, the moral issue gets lost in meaningless jargon. Now consider the only bit of substance from the right wing puppets above that costs will increase, then read another quote below. Read the book. See bold.

"As we saw in the national debate over that bill, efforts to increase coverage tend to be derailed by arguments about "big government" or "free enterprise" or "socialism" - and the essential moral question gets lost in the shouting. ¶ All the other developed countries on earth have made a different moral decision. All the other countries like us-that is, wealthy, technologically advanced, industrialized democracies - guarantee medical care to anyone who gees sick. Countries that are just as committed as we are to equal opportunity, individual liberty, and the free market have concluded that everybody has a right to health care - and they provide it .. One result is that most rich countries have better national health statistics-longer life expectancy; lower infant mortality, better recovery rates from major diseases-than the United States does. Yet all the other rich countries spend far less on health care than the United States does."

 

[syrenn]

"If Nikki White had been a resident of any other rich country, she would be alive today."

"Around the time she graduated from college, Monique A. "Nikki" White contracted systemic lupus erythematosus; that's a serious disease, but one that modern medicine knows how to manage. If this bright, feisty, dazzling young woman had lived in, say, Japan - the world's second - richest nation - or Germany (third richest), or Britain, France, Italy, Spain, Canada, Sweden, etc., the health care systems there would have given her the standard treatment for lupus, and she could have lived a normal life span. But Nikki White was a citizen of the world's richest country, the United States of America. Once she was sick, she couldn't get health insurance. Like tens of millions of her fellow Americans, she had too much money to qualify for health care under welfare, but too little money to pay for the drugs and doctors she needed to stay alive. She spent the last months of her life frantically writing letters and filling out forms, pleading for help. When she died, Nikki White was thirty-two years old." From prologue of book linked below.

"On September 11, 2001, some three thousand Americans were killed by terrorists; our country has spent hundreds of billions of dollars to make sure it doesn't happen again. But that same year, and every year since then, some twenty thousand Americans died because they couldn't get health care. That doesn't happen in any other developed country. Hundreds of thousands of Americans go bankrupt every year because of medical bills. That doesn't happen in any other developed country either." T.R. Reid 'The Healing of America'

Often no personal comment is required, life speaks for itself, or is that death? Check 'look inside' on Amazon for more. Amazon.com: The Healing of America: A Global Quest for Better, Cheaper, and Fairer Health Care: T. R. Reid: Books

No. It doesn't happen in any other purportedly civilized country.

But then again, there's no other purportedly civilized country where elections are funded through the contributions of the insurance industry.

I wonder if willow ijit gets Medicare.

If you think similar circumstances do not arise in other 'civilized' countries, I'd suggest you get the fuck out of your bubble and live in some of those countries, and get sick and see for yourself what their 'civilized' healthcare does for you. See for yourself what a hospital in the UK is like - they're fucking dire, for the record. Or head to France and discover that, yes, some of your care is funded - the rest of it, you have to have private insurance to cover.

It's fine and dandy to pretend we are so much worse than the rest of the 'civilized' world... but unless you've actually lived in the countries you're comparing us to... you don't have a fucking clue what you are talking about. I do. I've lived it.

That is what every single person i know in UK and AU and Sweeden complain about.... they have to pay for BOTH, private and public health insurance, to get the care they want and or require... that or leave the country to get it.