A man harasses a woman for wearing a Puerto Rico shirt, saying it's 'un-American'

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Maybe by your personal opinion, but by US law, they certainly are.

I know that. I also know their association with us is for the benefits it gives them. Nothing more. I don't respect them as Americans because they have no real connection to us any more than Turkey is really a part of NATO

 

[Asclepias]

Maybe by your personal opinion, but by US law, they certainly are.

I know that. I also know their association with us is for the benefits it gives them. Nothing more. I don't respect them as Americans because they have no real connection to us any more than Turkey is really a part of NATO

Wow! I'm sure the Puerto Rican population is saddened by what you dont respect.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Wow! I'm sure the Puerto Rican

Me and TENS OF MILLIONS of other Americans

 

[Asclepias]

Wow! I'm sure the Puerto Rican

Me and TENS OF MILLIONS of other Americans

I'm sure Puerto Ricans are saddened by what you and tens of millions of other ignorant rubes think.

 

[Darkwind]

No. Here is the perspective I am looking at with regard to this whole ordeal.

If this had been a drunk liberal doing this to a conservative woman, there would not be a fucking peep from any left-leaning imbecile on this forum. Not a one.

What is wrong with looking at the situation without the labels (conservative/liberal)? If something is unlawful it is no more or less unlawful due to the leanings of the perpetrator versus the victim.

Nothing wrong with it; as soon as you start saying saying that it is wrong -- without having to be prompted -- when it is done to someone you disagree with politically.

You go first.

 

[hunarcy]

Doesn't the same hold true for people trying to eat their supper in a restaurant?

I would say so but the problem that they ran into if you're referring to Hucklebee is that they were eating on the private property of the person who didn't want them there. If someone tried to enter the restaurant where they were having dinner to protest them or harassment, then they could have simply been legally removed from the property.

I'm talking about ALL of the people who have been hounded out of restaurants; Kirstjen Nielsen, for example.

 

[bodecea]

Wow! I'm sure the Puerto Rican

Me and TENS OF MILLIONS of other Americans

Oh really? Why do I know you are lying.......?

 

[bodecea]

Doesn't the same hold true for people trying to eat their supper in a restaurant?

I would say so but the problem that they ran into if you're referring to Hucklebee is that they were eating on the private property of the person who didn't want them there. If someone tried to enter the restaurant where they were having dinner to protest them or harassment, then they could have simply been legally removed from the property.

I'm talking about ALL of the people who have been hounded out of restaurants; Kirstjen Nielsen, for example.

Bummer....people are judging her by the content of her character....just like MLK Jr. predicted would happen some day.

 

[Montrovant]

Maybe by your personal opinion, but by US law, they certainly are.

I know that. I also know their association with us is for the benefits it gives them. Nothing more. I don't respect them as Americans because they have no real connection to us any more than Turkey is really a part of NATO

Do you think Puerto Rico became part of the US as a choice in order to gain benefits?

 

[Asclepias]

Maybe by your personal opinion, but by US law, they certainly are.

I know that. I also know their association with us is for the benefits it gives them. Nothing more. I don't respect them as Americans because they have no real connection to us any more than Turkey is really a part of NATO

Do you think Puerto Rico became part of the US as a choice in order to gain benefits?

They wanted to celebrate columbus day.

 

[Unkotare]

Meh he was a dick, no denying that. However, I disagree with arresting him for engaging in an active debate - aka she was discussing with him vs just ignoring him - is not something one gets arrested for. He was almost certainly arrested for the physical altercation with the other guy; they were pushing each other. As I gather the drunk got belligerent with the officer when asked to settle down and back off. That was his "crime," not engaging in debate with the young woman.

To argue that he should be arrested merely for being a dick and "making her uncomfortable" would get half the fucking nation arrested because quite frankly I get screamed at and put in "potential" physical danger every time I drive lol

Just because a person converses with someone else doesn't mean they have to continue with the conversation or that they don't have the right to terminate it and further contact with the person if during the course of the conversation they become verbally abusive or threatening. The fact that she essentially told him to back off and that what he was doing was making her uncomfortable and he wouldn't means that he knew that his continued verbal assault was unwanted and was therefore at that point intentional.

People who are drunk & disorderly and acting like an ass get arrested all of the time.

Assault and/or battery laws are not relevant to street harassment in every state, but when they are, you will find them listed under the "Verbal Harassment" or "Groping" sections of those states.
In many states, assault and battery are considered two separate crimes.

Assault
In general, a person commits an assault when, by word or action, s/he places another
person in fear of receiving a battery.

Battery
A person commits a battery when s/he intentionally touches, strikes, or injures another
person without that person’s consent.

When assault and battery are defined as separate crimes, one can take place without the other.
​

For example, someone can verbally assault you but the situation might not escalate to battery.
Alternatively, in many states groping is considered battery because it is nonconsensual touching.

Someone might commit battery by groping, but it needn’t be preceded or followed by an
assault.

We usually hear of assault and battery together because acts of violence such as fights
are often preceded by verbal assault. However, in the case of street harassment, it may be just as likely that assault or battery happen independently of one another.
http://www.stopstreetharassment.org...ourRights-StreetHarassmentandtheLaw-20131.pdf​

EXACTLY! This was harassment, not debate. And you are right about your definition of assault.

A while back I was the "victim" of a road rage incident. The guy was pissed because he passed me on the right on a city street with curbs coming up on him fast. I was in the lane I was supposed to be in but he thought I should hit my brakes and let him in ahead of me before he hit the curb.

He passed me like a madman and slammed on his breaks, AND GOT OUT OF HIS TRUCK. I didn't, I just recorded. I also called the police. The police arrived, and arrested him for ASSAULT.

The threatening act of getting out of his car and approaching me, was ASSAULT.

Whatever may have happened before the video we see, is irrelevant. The man should have been arrested. But then, so should THOUSANDS of Antifa RIOTERS who confuse rioting and harassment with peaceful protest.

You are a badass.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Nothing wrong with it; as soon as you start saying saying that it is wrong -- without having to be prompted -- when it is done to someone you disagree with politically.

You go first.

You're kind of barking up the wrong tree here. I'm African American and female so I am thoroughly aware of the fact that some of our laws are selectively enforced and that the race/ethnicity/gender, etc. of the victim versus the perpetrator can influence how seriously the situation is taken and whether or not a police report is taken, the detectives investigate it, whether a recommendatation is made to the prosecutors office and whether or not the prosecutor decides to pursue it, etc.

I don't have time nor an interest in every squabble that occurs and makes it into the news. I do have a particular interest though in harassment cases both real life and online particularly when the parties being targeted is due to their protected status.

Maybe you can explain something for me, I don't understand what politics has to do with anything. Generally when I disagree with people I don't see it from a political perspective - I don't dislike or disagree with people because they're Republican or Democratics, it's usually because of how they treat others, how they WANT to treat others and how willing they are to interfer with the rights of others. I've been accused of being a liberal but don't believe that I actually meet that definition nor do I feel a need I have to be a member of any particular group.

 

[Darkwind]

Nothing wrong with it; as soon as you start saying saying that it is wrong -- without having to be prompted -- when it is done to someone you disagree with politically.

You go first.

You're kind of barking up the wrong tree here. I'm African American and female so I am thoroughly aware of the fact that some of our laws are selectively enforced and that the race/ethnicity/gender, etc. of the victim versus the perpetrator can influence how seriously the situation is taken and whether or not a police report is taken, the detectives investigate it, whether a recommendatation is made to the prosecutors office and whether or not the prosecutor decides to pursue it, etc.

I don't have time nor an interest in every squabble that occurs and makes it into the news. I do have a particular interest though in harassment cases both real life and online particularly when the parties being targeted is due to their protected status.

Maybe you can explain something for me, I don't understand what politics has to do with anything. Generally when I disagree with people I don't see it from a political perspective - I don't dislike or disagree with people because they're Republican or Democratics, it's usually because of how they treat others, how they WANT to treat others and how willing they are to interfer with the rights of others. I've been accused of being a liberal but don't believe that I actually meet that definition nor do I feel a need I have to be a member of any particular group.

It goes like this.

We are not talking about laws. We are talking about the faux outrage of people who are to the left of the political divide because the asshole attacked a woman for wearing a shirt with the Flag of Puerto Rico on it. If it had been an American flag, they would have been silent. But PR is now a boutique issue from which they like to hit the current President over the head about.

As I said, had the drunk asshole been a liberal professor and attacked a conservative woman, not a single one of them - I'll not include you for the moment -- would have felt any outrage, nor would they have bothered to even bring this to light.

So, now that we have clearly established that this is in the realm of 'politics' and not law (if they cared about the law, they'd be calling for the arrest of people who throw liquids on conservatives but they don't).

The only interest I have in this is exposing the hypocrisy of the left. The guy was eventually arrested and charged with assault and only the courts will tell us if he is guilty or not.

So, the goal of My participation in this thread is to highlight the fact that the left is intellectually dishonest and to see if at some future date, just one of them (maybe you?) will find that they are truly and emotionally invested in having a nation that is civil in its discussion and will denounce and ostracize people who attack conservatives with equal vehemence as they attack conservatives who attack liberals.os

Now, I have to run so have a good night.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

It goes like this.

We are not talking about laws. We are talking about the faux outrage of people who are to the left of the political divide because the asshole attacked a woman for wearing a shirt with the Flag of Puerto Rico on it. If it had been an American flag, they would have been silent. But PR is now a boutique issue from which they like to hit the current President over the head about.

As I said, had the drunk asshole been a liberal professor and attacked a conservative woman, not a single one of them - I'll not include you for the moment -- would have felt any outrage, nor would they have bothered to even bring this to light.

So, now that we have clearly established that this is in the realm of 'politics' and not law (if they cared about the law, they'd be calling for the arrest of people who throw liquids on conservatives but they don't).

The only interest I have in this is exposing the hypocrisy of the left. The guy was eventually arrested and charged with assault and only the courts will tell us if he is guilty or not.

So, the goal of My participation in this thread is to highlight the fact that the left is intellectually dishonest and to see if at some future date, just one of them (maybe you?) will find that they are truly and emotionally invested in having a nation that is civil in its discussion and will denounce and ostracize people who attack conservatives with equal vehemence as they attack conservatives who attack liberals.os

Now, I have to run so have a good night.

Okay thank you and you do the same.

 

[JoeB131]

I have absolutely no problem with more people dying from defensive GSW's... As long as the perpetrators are the ones bleeding out and it was a justified "good shoot". Our society won't be missing them one bit!!! (obviously this particular situation didn't come all that close to reaching that 'threshold')

You might have a point. It would have been a white guy who got shot.

You shitstains have no problem when it's a person of color being shot by a scared white person.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

Generally when I disagree with people I don't see it from a political perspective - I don't dislike or disagree with people because they're Republican or Democratics, it's usually because of how they treat others

Yet the threads you post are very selective.

You're not outraged by some abuses, but you are outraged by abuses against your "protected classes."

It is unamerican to have protected classes. We don't have classes, and we ate ALL supposed to be treated equally under the law.

 

[Sahba]

I have absolutely no problem with more people dying from defensive GSW's... As long as the perpetrators are the ones bleeding out and it was a justified "good shoot". Our society won't be missing them one bit!!! (obviously this particular situation didn't come all that close to reaching that 'threshold')

You might have a point. It would have been a white guy who got shot.

You shitstains have no problem when it's a person of color being shot by a scared white person.

Lol, why would I (or any individual of a culture / subculture) care what the perpetrator's 'specs' were... Do you really think that a bigoted racist really cares, at a primal level 'who done it', when they are bleeding out or gasping their last breath...!

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Not everyone. Remember, the GOP is 90% white for a reason.

Yes. The reason being Obama officially drove the white population out of the Demonrat Party, except for the useful idiots.

https://www.usnews.com/opinion/thom...ats-were-wrong-they-need-working-class-whites

Yea, the GOP wasn't 90% white until that mean ole communist terrorist dictator Obama came along

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

Generally when I disagree with people I don't see it from a political perspective - I don't dislike or disagree with people because they're Republican or Democratics, it's usually because of how they treat others

Yet the threads you post are very selective.

You're not outraged by some abuses, but you are outraged by abuses against your "protected classes."

It is unamerican to have protected classes. We don't have classes, and we ate ALL supposed to be treated equally under the law.

You should have put "supposed" in ALL CAPS -- since we are ALL NOT treated EQUALLY under the law

Only people who have historically belonged to the privileged demographic believes that lie.

 

[CarlinAnnArbor]

You should have put "supposed" in ALL CAPS -- since we are ALL NOT treated EQUALLY under the law

You're right. Leftists, and especially minority leftists are coddled by this current American culture..

To hell with your classes.