A day to be remembered or forgotten?

[tony.osborne]

Last Monday completed 74 years the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, one of the most painful days of American History. I share with you here a link that brings a collection of dramatic photos, many of them rare, showing the devastation caused by the attack on the airfields of the island. Visit the link below and answer the title question.


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Best Regards!

 

[Delta4Embassy]

When remembering it, I wish people remembered it accurately. It was not an unprovoked attack as the US had been doing things against Japan resulting in their hitting us. And technically we fired first sinking a midget sub. Japan didn't wake up one day and say "hey! let's for no particular reason attack the usa!"

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Japan should have attacked the USSR, attacking the USA made absolutely no sense on any level

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Japan should have attacked the USSR, attacking the USA made absolutely no sense on any level

Made perfect sense. US had an energy embargo on Japan, had sided against them with the Chinese. And in a few more years Japan woulda starved with no energy. As an island nation they're dependent on imports, cut those off everyone dies. Military solution was not only unavoidable but absolutely justified.

 

[Freewill]

Japan should have attacked the USSR, attacking the USA made absolutely no sense on any level

Made perfect sense. US had an energy embargo on Japan, had sided against them with the Chinese. And in a few more years Japan woulda starved with no energy. As an island nation they're dependent on imports, cut those off everyone dies. Military solution was not only unavoidable but absolutely justified.

Or they could have stopped their imperialism and the rape of Nanking and joined the civilized world. But they decided to pick a fight they never had a chance of winning. Doesn't make much sense. Since the US were the ones supplying Japan with oil, what good did it do them to attack the US?

 

[Correll]

When remembering it, I wish people remembered it accurately. It was not an unprovoked attack as the US had been doing things against Japan resulting in their hitting us. And technically we fired first sinking a midget sub. Japan didn't wake up one day and say "hey! let's for no particular reason attack the usa!"

And where was that midget sub?

BUt technically true, overall.

Economic warfare risks escalation. FDR should have considered that.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

Japan should have attacked the USSR, attacking the USA made absolutely no sense on any level

Made perfect sense. US had an energy embargo on Japan, had sided against them with the Chinese. And in a few more years Japan woulda starved with no energy. As an island nation they're dependent on imports, cut those off everyone dies. Military solution was not only unavoidable but absolutely justified.

Or they could have stopped their imperialism and the rape of Nanking and joined the civilized world. But they decided to pick a fight they never had a chance of winning. Doesn't make much sense. Since the US were the ones supplying Japan with oil, what good did it do them to attack the US?

Simply national psychology: create an enemy outside for your people to focus their anger on and they don't focus it on you.

If the US didn't have terrorists to worry about we'd be focusing our rage against the government. Governments always need outside enemies to deflect anger onto.

 

[Freewill]

It is hard to forget since 9/11 was a wake up call.

 

[Correll]

Japan should have attacked the USSR, attacking the USA made absolutely no sense on any level

There was no known oil in the Soviet Far East.

They needed the Dutch East Indies, which would involve having their armed forces at the end of a supply line that went right past the US Philippines.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

When remembering it, I wish people remembered it accurately. It was not an unprovoked attack as the US had been doing things against Japan resulting in their hitting us. And technically we fired first sinking a midget sub. Japan didn't wake up one day and say "hey! let's for no particular reason attack the usa!"

And where was that midget sub?

BUt technically true, overall.

Economic warfare risks escalation. FDR should have considered that.

Sub was inside the military perimeter but that's not reason enough to go to war. Wasn't a hydrogen bomb or anything.

 

[Freewill]

Japan should have attacked the USSR, attacking the USA made absolutely no sense on any level

Made perfect sense. US had an energy embargo on Japan, had sided against them with the Chinese. And in a few more years Japan woulda starved with no energy. As an island nation they're dependent on imports, cut those off everyone dies. Military solution was not only unavoidable but absolutely justified.

Or they could have stopped their imperialism and the rape of Nanking and joined the civilized world. But they decided to pick a fight they never had a chance of winning. Doesn't make much sense. Since the US were the ones supplying Japan with oil, what good did it do them to attack the US?

Simply national psychology: create an enemy outside for your people to focus their anger on and they don't focus it on you.

If the US didn't have terrorists to worry about we'd be focusing our rage against the government. Governments always need outside enemies to deflect anger onto.

And if those terrorists were not real and Japan had not attacked then you would have a point. Should we list the atrocities committed by Japan excluding Pearl Harbor?

 

[Freewill]

When remembering it, I wish people remembered it accurately. It was not an unprovoked attack as the US had been doing things against Japan resulting in their hitting us. And technically we fired first sinking a midget sub. Japan didn't wake up one day and say "hey! let's for no particular reason attack the usa!"

And where was that midget sub?

BUt technically true, overall.

Economic warfare risks escalation. FDR should have considered that.

Sub was inside the military perimeter but that's not reason enough to go to war. Wasn't a hydrogen bomb or anything.

That is the most ridiculous argument I think I have ever heard. If the midget sub had not be attacked, entering US waters, would that have meant that the attack would not have happened? I hope you are just playing the devil's advocate.

 

[Correll]

Japan should have attacked the USSR, attacking the USA made absolutely no sense on any level

Made perfect sense. US had an energy embargo on Japan, had sided against them with the Chinese. And in a few more years Japan woulda starved with no energy. As an island nation they're dependent on imports, cut those off everyone dies. Military solution was not only unavoidable but absolutely justified.

Or they could have stopped their imperialism and the rape of Nanking and joined the civilized world. But they decided to pick a fight they never had a chance of winning. Doesn't make much sense. Since the US were the ones supplying Japan with oil, what good did it do them to attack the US?

They had developed their national strategies based on the last several hundred years of global history were advancing and developing meant having an Empire.

Giving up on that would have meant accepting permanent Second Class for their nation.

 

[Freewill]

Japan should have attacked the USSR, attacking the USA made absolutely no sense on any level

Made perfect sense. US had an energy embargo on Japan, had sided against them with the Chinese. And in a few more years Japan woulda starved with no energy. As an island nation they're dependent on imports, cut those off everyone dies. Military solution was not only unavoidable but absolutely justified.

Or they could have stopped their imperialism and the rape of Nanking and joined the civilized world. But they decided to pick a fight they never had a chance of winning. Doesn't make much sense. Since the US were the ones supplying Japan with oil, what good did it do them to attack the US?

They had developed their national strategies based on the last several hundred years of global history were advancing and developing meant having an Empire.

Giving up on that would have meant accepting permanent Second Class for their nation.

Seems to me they are doing pretty well now without much of an army or navy.

 

[Correll]

Japan should have attacked the USSR, attacking the USA made absolutely no sense on any level

Made perfect sense. US had an energy embargo on Japan, had sided against them with the Chinese. And in a few more years Japan woulda starved with no energy. As an island nation they're dependent on imports, cut those off everyone dies. Military solution was not only unavoidable but absolutely justified.

Or they could have stopped their imperialism and the rape of Nanking and joined the civilized world. But they decided to pick a fight they never had a chance of winning. Doesn't make much sense. Since the US were the ones supplying Japan with oil, what good did it do them to attack the US?

Simply national psychology: create an enemy outside for your people to focus their anger on and they don't focus it on you.

If the US didn't have terrorists to worry about we'd be focusing our rage against the government. Governments always need outside enemies to deflect anger onto.

I'm not aware that the Japanese citizens were restless.

 

[Correll]

Japan should have attacked the USSR, attacking the USA made absolutely no sense on any level

Made perfect sense. US had an energy embargo on Japan, had sided against them with the Chinese. And in a few more years Japan woulda starved with no energy. As an island nation they're dependent on imports, cut those off everyone dies. Military solution was not only unavoidable but absolutely justified.

Or they could have stopped their imperialism and the rape of Nanking and joined the civilized world. But they decided to pick a fight they never had a chance of winning. Doesn't make much sense. Since the US were the ones supplying Japan with oil, what good did it do them to attack the US?

They had developed their national strategies based on the last several hundred years of global history were advancing and developing meant having an Empire.

Giving up on that would have meant accepting permanent Second Class for their nation.

Seems to me they are doing pretty well now without much of an army or navy.

The model they are using now did not exist as an example at the time.

 

[Camp]

When remembering it, I wish people remembered it accurately. It was not an unprovoked attack as the US had been doing things against Japan resulting in their hitting us. And technically we fired first sinking a midget sub. Japan didn't wake up one day and say "hey! let's for no particular reason attack the usa!"

The continued support being given to Japan after the '37-'38 Rape of Nanking and the horrendous war crimes being committed by Japan was making America an accessory to those atrocities and crimes. In addition, a nation has a right to do business with whom it chooses. To blame the USA for refusing to supply Japan with the tools of war is to suggest support that the nation should have accepted being extorted.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Japan should have attacked the USSR, attacking the USA made absolutely no sense on any level

Made perfect sense. US had an energy embargo on Japan, had sided against them with the Chinese. And in a few more years Japan woulda starved with no energy. As an island nation they're dependent on imports, cut those off everyone dies. Military solution was not only unavoidable but absolutely justified.

Or they could have stopped their imperialism and the rape of Nanking and joined the civilized world. But they decided to pick a fight they never had a chance of winning. Doesn't make much sense. Since the US were the ones supplying Japan with oil, what good did it do them to attack the US?

Simply national psychology: create an enemy outside for your people to focus their anger on and they don't focus it on you.

If the US didn't have terrorists to worry about we'd be focusing our rage against the government. Governments always need outside enemies to deflect anger onto.

It seems to me that the rage is growing against both.

 

[Freewill]

When remembering it, I wish people remembered it accurately. It was not an unprovoked attack as the US had been doing things against Japan resulting in their hitting us. And technically we fired first sinking a midget sub. Japan didn't wake up one day and say "hey! let's for no particular reason attack the usa!"

The continued support being given to Japan after the '37-'38 Rape of Nanking and the horrendous war crimes being committed by Japan was making America an accessory to those atrocities and crimes. In addition, a nation has a right to do business with whom it chooses. To blame the USA for refusing to supply Japan with the tools of war is to suggest support that the nation should have accepted being extorted.

You are correct, but in fact the embargo on oil did give reason for Japan to attack. Were there alternatives? Don't know. Biggest problem, FDR must not have realized that consequences of what he did. He certainly didn't seem to take many precautions.

 

[Camp]

When remembering it, I wish people remembered it accurately. It was not an unprovoked attack as the US had been doing things against Japan resulting in their hitting us. And technically we fired first sinking a midget sub. Japan didn't wake up one day and say "hey! let's for no particular reason attack the usa!"

The continued support being given to Japan after the '37-'38 Rape of Nanking and the horrendous war crimes being committed by Japan was making America an accessory to those atrocities and crimes. In addition, a nation has a right to do business with whom it chooses. To blame the USA for refusing to supply Japan with the tools of war is to suggest support that the nation should have accepted being extorted.

You are correct, but in fact the embargo on oil did give reason for Japan to attack. Were there alternatives? Don't know. Biggest problem, FDR must not have realized that consequences of what he did. He certainly didn't seem to take many precautions.

Not a valid reason to declare war, only an excuse. It was pretty common knowledge and actually predicted that Japan would attack, but everyone thought the attack would be on the Philippines. The attack on Pearl Harbor came as a shock. Heck, the USA did not even know the Japanese had found a way to produce shallow water capable torpedo's that made the harbor susceptible to torpedo attack. There is a long list of mistakes made that enabled the success of the Japanese attack. Who knows, if the mistakes hadn't been made and the protocols in place had been followed history may have been written about how well FDR had prepared for the Pearl Harbor attack. The warning from DC was delayed and radar spotted the attack aircraft in time to launch to meet them. A timely delivery of the warning message may have also caused the carriers at sea to turn around and sail to meet the Japanese fleet, or at least to protect the harbor.