A Conservative Defense of OWS

[flacaltenn]

Londoner:::

It's annoying enough that you're stuck on Reagan and have no clue what's transpired since the 80's.

But PLEASE --- Don't be sloppy as well with your editing. My name doesn't belong on that quote above.

Can you get THAT MUCH right for a change?

 

[B. Kidd]

A Conservative Defense of Occupy Wall Street

I'd long suspected the financial crisis, policy foibles, chronic unemployment, and general corruption of our politics would sooner or later fuel a measure of social unrest in this country as it has elsewhere. We are not immune to a deadening of hope fused with deep-seated suspicion of having been essentially swindled via policy decisions resulting from broken politics that denies a sense of genuine progress and possibility.

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With Occupy Wall Street, those protective of the status quo may be more rattled than they had by the Tea Party, which in its aim to minimize government's role, carried an agenda convenient with Wall Street's current mood. This is because OWS are directing their ire squarely towards the real elites of the country, rather than their bought-and-paid marionettes sitting in Washington. These elites are seen to have benefited from emergency large-scale existential rescues -- all necessary exigencies to avoid a second Great Depression, our titular leaders would have it, and remind us often -- with little accountability, genuine gratitude or fundamental change emitting from the financial sector post the Government's ministrations.

The point is not that TARP has been profitable. The point is that the TARP windfall (given the fungible nature of cash) also served to better allow for convenient de-levering on the government's dime. Without tracking of TARP funds, or clarity about the Federal Reserve's policy decisions and generous emergency lending operations, one cannot help feeling something has become well rotten in Denmark. Given this backdrop, Occupy Wall Street, cleverly, is squarely aiming its attentions at the realer powers behind the supposed throne -- that is, where the money is.

Beyond this, they are likely smarter, and with more idealistic energy, than their Tea Party analogues. Ranging from younger near anarchists to older protesters with almost Eisenhowerian politics (repulsed by income disparities reminiscent of the "robber baron" era) they are a disparate bunch, to be sure. They represent the majority of the population wallowing in dire economic straits amidst a materially shrinking middle class, chronically elevated unemployment, dangerously poor career prospects for youths alongside sky-rocketing college tuition, and seemingly endless sums of wasted monies on fundamentally flawed wars of choice. To top it off, you have the perceived injustices of TARP and such banker-welfare largesse.

Speaking to several of these protesters today, I met MBA students who cannot find jobs (one even told me his GPA at business school, a respectable 3.2) and law students in a similar predicament. As money gets wasted in epic fashion overseas for desperately flawed "provincial reconstruction teams" in Iraq and risible Government-in-a-Box initiatives in Afghanistan, these kids are staring at mountains of debt and an equally daunting lack of viable employment prospects (the MBA student was underemployed working as a barista at Starbucks). So there are intelligent faces and voices in these crowds--not just aimless rabble-rousers out for a rise--and I can sense this movement becoming more contagious. For instance, I detected among several of the more junior police officers perhaps some degree of sympathy for the protesters.

These are our young, screaming out in need, meriting not kettling and reprimands, but job prospects and dignity.

I visited the OWS movement in my own town. I received one leaflet from someone who had come South from across the river. It talked about regulatory capture and how corporations use government regulations to shield themselves from free market competition. At the end it had links to libertarian sites like Reason Magazine.

Anyway, its very easy to sympathize with both the proto-Tea Party and OWS, once you realize the essential overlap.

What I find interesting about the diagram is that all three of the circles intersect. The two 'headers' at the top of it should be replaced with only one word tho': Plutocracy.

 

[newpolitics]

You obviously don't much about the economic system we live in do you?

WE are defending Capitalism because we know that the NATURAL restrainsts on unmitigated mayhem are stronger and more durable than measly selectively enforced govt regulation. When the Massey coal mine killed a dozen or more workers it had been closed 14 times by regulators who CONTINUED to let them operate. Did those regulators ever get punished? No.. Did the Govt regulators who wrote waivers to the deep water operations on that BP rig ever get punished? No...

Everyday -- business is restrained thru NATURAL Capitalist mechanisms.. Like for instance..

1) Customer perception and satisfaction.

2) Stakeholders who excercize control, like stock/bond holders, banks, Boards.

3) Criminal liability law.

4) Competition.

5) Contract law..

I shouldn't have to explain to you how EACH AND EVERY ONE of these items works.. But EACH one has a powerful moderating influence on business behaviour. And when companies IGNORE these restrainsts --- they SHOULD be punished by the system itself without the neccessity for politicians to grandstand and claim credit.

Let me know WHICH restrainsts on business you DON'T understand. They all are moderating influences on profit. PROFIT alone does not drive the market.

Where did you get the idea that "corporations care only about profit"? Did Starbucks screw AGAIN today? Did Home Depot reach into your paycheck and rob you?

Oh, I don't know... from watching the news. From learning about factory farming, hydraulic fracturing and its incredibly devastating environmental effects, the bottled water industry stealing water from ecosystems without anyones permission who live there, the fast food industry, the oil industry, how they killed the electric car, how Halliburton failed to provide for our troops which resulted in their many American deaths while over billing the American taxpayer unscrupulously all the while telling us we must support our troops, and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on... animal abuses, worker abuses, environmental abuses.

I just have to say that if you weren't so brainwashed by whatever media/print sources you consume -- you're outlook would be far more rational. Still didn't tell us where you got "the Monsanto is charge of the EPA" turdlet. Same with this paragraph.

WHO killed the electric car? Did it ever occur to you that even TODAY with all the product introductions of EVs into the market that it's STILL not quite ready for primetime? No conspiracy there -- it's engineering and marketing problems. Tough shit about the "fast food industry". It's called economic freedom and folks get to exercise choice. You want the power to BAN stuff you don't agree with. Everything from circumscism to pet shops is under attack in Leftist paradises like San Fran and Berkeley. Go live there and suffer thru the tyranny of folks who want LAWS to remove choices. There is a valid scientific debate on fracking. And many leftist propaganda sources have lied and embellished stories about reported hazards. YES -- it should be monitored. NO -- it's not impossible to frack and protect the water table..

You're missing the point that these are DEBATES.. Not indictments.

there are literally far too many examples to even count, and many I am not even aware of. The problem with corporations, and the whole reason behind their existence, is that there is no personal accountability. They have "limited liability,' in order to protect the people at the top, perfectly exemplified by what happened with the economic collapse. They have no incentive to car, and EVERYTHING is shaped by incentive in an economic system.

Not true -- I just give you a list of considerations and restraints on free-market biz. They CARE about reputation. They CARE about customer satisfaction. They CARE about living up to contracts and keeping themselves out of court. They WORRY about competition.

I went to school for business. I know how this shit works, so don't try to school me. It works the other way around. Natural markets don't work because there are far too many information problems, and corporations have far too much overreach into the political process to create their own rules and also have no restraint with regard to international boundaries, which make them almost impervious to international law if they are careful, as with Casino Jack in his dealings in Indonesian factories.

That is the saddest thing. Can you get your money back? This is perhaps the best argument argument I've ever heard for Student Loan forgiveness -- because BOY were YOU screwed by higher education..

Then you go on to hit on MILK as near murder. The reason why we don't give the keys to GOVT POWER to the marginalized morons like you -- is that EVERYONE knows the damage that you could do. And that there is SOLID proof that the CAUSE of GOVT collusion is too much power in the hands of inept and corrupt politicians. And anti-freedom, tyrannical ban-ners like yourself are not ever gonna get near that power.

Not all of us want to live in the dirt and scavenge for survival. If THAT'S why you hate Corporations -- try going Amish...

What are you BABBLING about? You talk such unelievable nonsense, and are so convinced of your own righteous, it is HILARIOUS!!!!

Here's the answer to your question about Monsanto:

(excerpt taken from The Amazing Revolving Door - Monsanto, FDA And EPA)

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The following is taken from the Edmonds Institute: http://www.edmonds-institute.org/door.html

David W. Beier . . .former head of Government Affairs for Genentech, Inc. . . . chief domestic policy advisor to Al Gore when he was Vice President.

Linda J. Fisher . . .former Assistant Administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency's Office of Pollution Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances...now Vice President of Government and Public Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael A. Friedman, M.D. . . former acting commissioner of the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Department of Health and Human Services . . .now senior vice-president for clinical affairs at G. D. Searle & Co., a pharmaceutical division of Monsanto Corporation.

L. Val Giddings . . . former biotechnology regulator and (biosafety) negotiator at the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA/APHIS) . . .now Vice President for Food & Agriculture of the Biotechnology Industry Organization (BIO).

Marcia Hale . . . former assistant to the President of the United States and director for intergovernmental affairs . . .now Director of International Government Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael (Mickey) Kantor. . . former Secretary of the United States Department of Commerce and former Trade Representative of the United States . . . now member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Josh King . . . former director of production for White House events. . . now director of global communication in the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.

Terry Medley . . . former administrator of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) of the United States Department of Agriculture, former chair and vice-chair of the United States Department of Agriculture Biotechnology Council, former member of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) food advisory committee...and now Director of Regulatory and External Affairs of Dupont Corporation's Agricultural Enterprise.

Margaret Miller . . . former chemical laboratory supervisor for Monsanto, . . .now Deputy Director of Human Food Safety and Consultative Services, New Animal Drug Evaluation Office, Center for Veterinary Medicine in the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA).*

Michael Phillips . . . recently with the National Academy of Science Board on Agriculture . . . now head of regulatory affairs for the Biotechnology Industry Organization.

William D. Ruckelshaus . . . former chief administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA), . .now (and for the past 12 years) a member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Michael Taylor . . . former legal advisor to the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA)'s Bureau of Medical Devices and Bureau of Foods, later executive assistant to the Commissioner of the FDA... still later a partner at the law firm of King & Spaulding where he supervised a nine-lawyer group whose clients included Monsanto Agricultural Company... still later Deputy Commissioner for Policy at the United States Food and Drug Administration, . . . and later with the law firm of King & Spaulding... now head of the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.*

Lidia Watrud . . . former microbial biotechnology researcher at Monsanto Corporation in St. Louis, Missouri, . . .now with the United States Environmental Protection Agency Environmental Effects Laboratory, Western Ecology Division.

Jack Watson. . .former chief of staff to the President of the United States, Jimmy Carter, . . .now a staff lawyer with Monsanto Corporation in Washington, D.C.

Clayton K. Yeutter . . . former Secretary of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, former U.S. Trade Representative (who led the U.S. team in negotiating the U.S. Canada Free Trade Agreement and helped launch the Uruguay Round of the GATT negotiations), now a member of the board of directors of Mycogen Corporation, whose majority owner is Dow AgroSciences, a wholly owned subsidiary of The Dow Chemical Company.

Larry Zeph . . . former biologist in the Office of Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, . . . now Regulatory Science Manager at Pioneer Hi-Bred International.

*Margaret Miller, Michael Taylor, and Suzanne Sechen (an FDA "primary reviewer for all rbST and other dairy drug production applications" ) were the subjects of a U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) investigation in 1994 for their role in the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's approval of Posilac, Monsanto Corporation's formulation of recombinant bovine growth hormone (rbST or rBGH). The GAO Office found "no conflicting financial interests with respect to the drug's approval" and only "one minor deviation from now superseded FDA regulations". (Quotations are from the 1994 GAO report).c

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You can attack my education. I don't really care. I have seen enough documentaries and read enough about corporate behavior to know the lengths to which people are willing to go to get rich, and it is rather scarring and traumatic to think that people can care so little about each other, and actually do terrible things to other on purpose in the name of money and money only, but it is a reality I am used to. When you connect the dots after learning about so many corporate abuses it is only possible to come to one conclusion: it is all about money. There can be no other explanation for the things people have done. I am quite interested in how you remain so naive and falsely optimistic. It is the same reason criminals kill for money. It is the same attitude. I'm not stupid enough to think that companies do not want to give off the impression that they care about people. Of course they perform PR in order to present this image, but what I am saying is that behind that, there is greed, plane and simple. I am tired of arguing about this. Nothing you say will convince me that enormous corporations actually care about me or anybody. It is preposterous on a level that is benumbing.

 

[Si modo]

Oh, I don't know... from watching the news. From learning about factory farming, hydraulic fracturing and its incredibly devastating environmental effects, the bottled water industry stealing water from ecosystems without anyones permission who live there, the fast food industry, the oil industry, how they killed the electric car, how Halliburton failed to provide for our troops which resulted in their many American deaths while over billing the American taxpayer unscrupulously all the while telling us we must support our troops, and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on... animal abuses, worker abuses, environmental abuses.

I just have to say that if you weren't so brainwashed by whatever media/print sources you consume -- you're outlook would be far more rational. Still didn't tell us where you got "the Monsanto is charge of the EPA" turdlet. Same with this paragraph.

WHO killed the electric car? Did it ever occur to you that even TODAY with all the product introductions of EVs into the market that it's STILL not quite ready for primetime? No conspiracy there -- it's engineering and marketing problems. Tough shit about the "fast food industry". It's called economic freedom and folks get to exercise choice. You want the power to BAN stuff you don't agree with. Everything from circumscism to pet shops is under attack in Leftist paradises like San Fran and Berkeley. Go live there and suffer thru the tyranny of folks who want LAWS to remove choices. There is a valid scientific debate on fracking. And many leftist propaganda sources have lied and embellished stories about reported hazards. YES -- it should be monitored. NO -- it's not impossible to frack and protect the water table..

You're missing the point that these are DEBATES.. Not indictments.



Not true -- I just give you a list of considerations and restraints on free-market biz. They CARE about reputation. They CARE about customer satisfaction. They CARE about living up to contracts and keeping themselves out of court. They WORRY about competition.

I went to school for business. I know how this shit works, so don't try to school me. It works the other way around. Natural markets don't work because there are far too many information problems, and corporations have far too much overreach into the political process to create their own rules and also have no restraint with regard to international boundaries, which make them almost impervious to international law if they are careful, as with Casino Jack in his dealings in Indonesian factories.

That is the saddest thing. Can you get your money back? This is perhaps the best argument argument I've ever heard for Student Loan forgiveness -- because BOY were YOU screwed by higher education..

Then you go on to hit on MILK as near murder. The reason why we don't give the keys to GOVT POWER to the marginalized morons like you -- is that EVERYONE knows the damage that you could do. And that there is SOLID proof that the CAUSE of GOVT collusion is too much power in the hands of inept and corrupt politicians. And anti-freedom, tyrannical ban-ners like yourself are not ever gonna get near that power.

Not all of us want to live in the dirt and scavenge for survival. If THAT'S why you hate Corporations -- try going Amish...

What are you BABBLING about? You talk such unelievable nonsense, and are so convinced of your own righteous, it is HILARIOUS!!!!

Here's the answer to your question about Monsanto:

(excerpt taken from The Amazing Revolving Door - Monsanto, FDA And EPA)

---------

The following is taken from the Edmonds Institute: http://www.edmonds-institute.org/door.html

David W. Beier . . .former head of Government Affairs for Genentech, Inc. . . . chief domestic policy advisor to Al Gore when he was Vice President.

Linda J. Fisher . . .former Assistant Administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency's Office of Pollution Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances...now Vice President of Government and Public Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael A. Friedman, M.D. . . former acting commissioner of the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Department of Health and Human Services . . .now senior vice-president for clinical affairs at G. D. Searle & Co., a pharmaceutical division of Monsanto Corporation.

L. Val Giddings . . . former biotechnology regulator and (biosafety) negotiator at the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA/APHIS) . . .now Vice President for Food & Agriculture of the Biotechnology Industry Organization (BIO).

Marcia Hale . . . former assistant to the President of the United States and director for intergovernmental affairs . . .now Director of International Government Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael (Mickey) Kantor. . . former Secretary of the United States Department of Commerce and former Trade Representative of the United States . . . now member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Josh King . . . former director of production for White House events. . . now director of global communication in the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.

Terry Medley . . . former administrator of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) of the United States Department of Agriculture, former chair and vice-chair of the United States Department of Agriculture Biotechnology Council, former member of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) food advisory committee...and now Director of Regulatory and External Affairs of Dupont Corporation's Agricultural Enterprise.

Margaret Miller . . . former chemical laboratory supervisor for Monsanto, . . .now Deputy Director of Human Food Safety and Consultative Services, New Animal Drug Evaluation Office, Center for Veterinary Medicine in the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA).*

Michael Phillips . . . recently with the National Academy of Science Board on Agriculture . . . now head of regulatory affairs for the Biotechnology Industry Organization.

William D. Ruckelshaus . . . former chief administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA), . .now (and for the past 12 years) a member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Michael Taylor . . . former legal advisor to the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA)'s Bureau of Medical Devices and Bureau of Foods, later executive assistant to the Commissioner of the FDA... still later a partner at the law firm of King & Spaulding where he supervised a nine-lawyer group whose clients included Monsanto Agricultural Company... still later Deputy Commissioner for Policy at the United States Food and Drug Administration, . . . and later with the law firm of King & Spaulding... now head of the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.*

Lidia Watrud . . . former microbial biotechnology researcher at Monsanto Corporation in St. Louis, Missouri, . . .now with the United States Environmental Protection Agency Environmental Effects Laboratory, Western Ecology Division.

Jack Watson. . .former chief of staff to the President of the United States, Jimmy Carter, . . .now a staff lawyer with Monsanto Corporation in Washington, D.C.

Clayton K. Yeutter . . . former Secretary of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, former U.S. Trade Representative (who led the U.S. team in negotiating the U.S. Canada Free Trade Agreement and helped launch the Uruguay Round of the GATT negotiations), now a member of the board of directors of Mycogen Corporation, whose majority owner is Dow AgroSciences, a wholly owned subsidiary of The Dow Chemical Company.

Larry Zeph . . . former biologist in the Office of Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, . . . now Regulatory Science Manager at Pioneer Hi-Bred International.

*Margaret Miller, Michael Taylor, and Suzanne Sechen (an FDA "primary reviewer for all rbST and other dairy drug production applications" ) were the subjects of a U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) investigation in 1994 for their role in the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's approval of Posilac, Monsanto Corporation's formulation of recombinant bovine growth hormone (rbST or rBGH). The GAO Office found "no conflicting financial interests with respect to the drug's approval" and only "one minor deviation from now superseded FDA regulations". (Quotations are from the 1994 GAO report).c

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You can attack my education. I don't really care. I have seen enough documentaries and read enough about corporate behavior to know the lengths to which people are willing to go to get rich, and it is rather scarring and traumatic to think that people can care so little about each other, and actually do terrible things to other on purpose in the name of money and money only, but it is a reality I am used to. When you connect the dots after learning about so many corporate abuses it is only possible to come to one conclusion: it is all about money. There can be no other explanation for the things people have done. I am quite interested in how you remain so naive and falsely optimistic. It is the same reason criminals kill for money. It is the same attitude. I'm not stupid enough to think that companies do not want to give off the impression that they care about people. Of course they perform PR in order to present this image, but what I am saying is that behind that, there is greed, plane and simple. I am tired of arguing about this. Nothing you say will convince me that enormous corporations actually care about me or anybody. It is preposterous on a level that is benumbing.

Did you just grow up all of a sudden?

 

[ClosedCaption]

flacaltenn is amazing, most righties here only ALLUDE to the things that flacaltenn is saying, I think s/he really believes. Thats astounding. Corporations care about people more than profits? wow.

The question is which people do they care about more FOR their profits? aint it?

 

[oreo]

Yeah OWS and the Tea party have alot of the same gripes and blame many of the same people. The only difference is that OWS claim that the elites are responsible (yanno the 1%) where the Tea Party seems to believe that the poor are to blame (or programs for the poor)

Both hate TARP, both are tiers of the same old shit but the tea party thinks that Obama is responsible for TARP

Not correct--the Tea Party rightfully blames the Federal Government--and the OWS protester crowd blames Wall Street.

Now while you'll find that the Tea Party--and OWS crowd both agree that we want big money out of politicians pockets--we Tea Party people realize that the only control we have over is our elected representatives--and not some CEO on Wall Street.

And if the REAL OWS crowd would stand up--maybe we could recognize exactly what they stand for--& what we have in common.

Right now--the OWS group have been infiltrated by every special interest group known to man--and many of these (are left wing fringe nut-cases)-who claim to be representing this group.

Here's one right here:

Lloyd Hart--(master occupier) in a 14 minute radio interview over his 13 demand list.

http://www.969bostontalks.com/podcast/Episodes.aspx?PID=1468

 

[Si modo]

flacaltenn is amazing, most righties here only ALLUDE to the things that flacaltenn is saying, I think s/he really believes. Thats astounding. Corporations care about people more than profits? wow.

The question is which people do they care about more FOR their profits? aint it?

They sort of have to care about their employees, right? If they want to make money, that is. And, they do want that; I'm sure we can agree on that.

 

[oreo]

flacaltenn is amazing, most righties here only ALLUDE to the things that flacaltenn is saying, I think s/he really believes. Thats astounding. Corporations care about people more than profits? wow.

The question is which people do they care about more FOR their profits? aint it?

CORPORATIONS can also be spelled J.O.B.S in this country. And yes they need PROFITS--because if they didn't have profit--they wouldn't be in BUSINESS.

 

[newpolitics]

flacaltenn is amazing, most righties here only ALLUDE to the things that flacaltenn is saying, I think s/he really believes. Thats astounding. Corporations care about people more than profits? wow.

The question is which people do they care about more FOR their profits? aint it?

CORPORATIONS can also be spelled J.O.B.S in this country. And yes they need PROFITS--because if they didn't have profit--they wouldn't be in BUSINESS.

Jobs is not a justification for dishonesty and criminal behavior. That's all I ever hear out of the right: Jobs. Jobs. Jobs. What happened to all of those pension funds of those who worked for Bernie, or the millions lost after the economic collapse? It's so funny how exremely recent events completely contradict what many conservatives say, yet they choose to continue to believe that corporations are good. In theory, a corporation is great, just as is communism, but in practice, both are shit, because people are shit, basically. We are greedy beings that put personal safety and wealth over anybody, and we can not be entrusted into positions of too much power. We will always abuse it, and end up hurting too many people. We must be regulated, because we are all like little children, sadly.

 

[newpolitics]

I just have to say that if you weren't so brainwashed by whatever media/print sources you consume -- you're outlook would be far more rational. Still didn't tell us where you got "the Monsanto is charge of the EPA" turdlet. Same with this paragraph.

WHO killed the electric car? Did it ever occur to you that even TODAY with all the product introductions of EVs into the market that it's STILL not quite ready for primetime? No conspiracy there -- it's engineering and marketing problems. Tough shit about the "fast food industry". It's called economic freedom and folks get to exercise choice. You want the power to BAN stuff you don't agree with. Everything from circumscism to pet shops is under attack in Leftist paradises like San Fran and Berkeley. Go live there and suffer thru the tyranny of folks who want LAWS to remove choices. There is a valid scientific debate on fracking. And many leftist propaganda sources have lied and embellished stories about reported hazards. YES -- it should be monitored. NO -- it's not impossible to frack and protect the water table..

You're missing the point that these are DEBATES.. Not indictments.



Not true -- I just give you a list of considerations and restraints on free-market biz. They CARE about reputation. They CARE about customer satisfaction. They CARE about living up to contracts and keeping themselves out of court. They WORRY about competition.


That is the saddest thing. Can you get your money back? This is perhaps the best argument argument I've ever heard for Student Loan forgiveness -- because BOY were YOU screwed by higher education..

Then you go on to hit on MILK as near murder. The reason why we don't give the keys to GOVT POWER to the marginalized morons like you -- is that EVERYONE knows the damage that you could do. And that there is SOLID proof that the CAUSE of GOVT collusion is too much power in the hands of inept and corrupt politicians. And anti-freedom, tyrannical ban-ners like yourself are not ever gonna get near that power.

Not all of us want to live in the dirt and scavenge for survival. If THAT'S why you hate Corporations -- try going Amish...

What are you BABBLING about? You talk such unelievable nonsense, and are so convinced of your own righteous, it is HILARIOUS!!!!

Here's the answer to your question about Monsanto:

(excerpt taken from The Amazing Revolving Door - Monsanto, FDA And EPA)

---------

The following is taken from the Edmonds Institute: http://www.edmonds-institute.org/door.html

David W. Beier . . .former head of Government Affairs for Genentech, Inc. . . . chief domestic policy advisor to Al Gore when he was Vice President.

Linda J. Fisher . . .former Assistant Administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency's Office of Pollution Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances...now Vice President of Government and Public Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael A. Friedman, M.D. . . former acting commissioner of the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Department of Health and Human Services . . .now senior vice-president for clinical affairs at G. D. Searle & Co., a pharmaceutical division of Monsanto Corporation.

L. Val Giddings . . . former biotechnology regulator and (biosafety) negotiator at the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA/APHIS) . . .now Vice President for Food & Agriculture of the Biotechnology Industry Organization (BIO).

Marcia Hale . . . former assistant to the President of the United States and director for intergovernmental affairs . . .now Director of International Government Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael (Mickey) Kantor. . . former Secretary of the United States Department of Commerce and former Trade Representative of the United States . . . now member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Josh King . . . former director of production for White House events. . . now director of global communication in the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.

Terry Medley . . . former administrator of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) of the United States Department of Agriculture, former chair and vice-chair of the United States Department of Agriculture Biotechnology Council, former member of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) food advisory committee...and now Director of Regulatory and External Affairs of Dupont Corporation's Agricultural Enterprise.

Margaret Miller . . . former chemical laboratory supervisor for Monsanto, . . .now Deputy Director of Human Food Safety and Consultative Services, New Animal Drug Evaluation Office, Center for Veterinary Medicine in the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA).*

Michael Phillips . . . recently with the National Academy of Science Board on Agriculture . . . now head of regulatory affairs for the Biotechnology Industry Organization.

William D. Ruckelshaus . . . former chief administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA), . .now (and for the past 12 years) a member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Michael Taylor . . . former legal advisor to the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA)'s Bureau of Medical Devices and Bureau of Foods, later executive assistant to the Commissioner of the FDA... still later a partner at the law firm of King & Spaulding where he supervised a nine-lawyer group whose clients included Monsanto Agricultural Company... still later Deputy Commissioner for Policy at the United States Food and Drug Administration, . . . and later with the law firm of King & Spaulding... now head of the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.*

Lidia Watrud . . . former microbial biotechnology researcher at Monsanto Corporation in St. Louis, Missouri, . . .now with the United States Environmental Protection Agency Environmental Effects Laboratory, Western Ecology Division.

Jack Watson. . .former chief of staff to the President of the United States, Jimmy Carter, . . .now a staff lawyer with Monsanto Corporation in Washington, D.C.

Clayton K. Yeutter . . . former Secretary of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, former U.S. Trade Representative (who led the U.S. team in negotiating the U.S. Canada Free Trade Agreement and helped launch the Uruguay Round of the GATT negotiations), now a member of the board of directors of Mycogen Corporation, whose majority owner is Dow AgroSciences, a wholly owned subsidiary of The Dow Chemical Company.

Larry Zeph . . . former biologist in the Office of Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, . . . now Regulatory Science Manager at Pioneer Hi-Bred International.

*Margaret Miller, Michael Taylor, and Suzanne Sechen (an FDA "primary reviewer for all rbST and other dairy drug production applications" ) were the subjects of a U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) investigation in 1994 for their role in the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's approval of Posilac, Monsanto Corporation's formulation of recombinant bovine growth hormone (rbST or rBGH). The GAO Office found "no conflicting financial interests with respect to the drug's approval" and only "one minor deviation from now superseded FDA regulations". (Quotations are from the 1994 GAO report).c

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You can attack my education. I don't really care. I have seen enough documentaries and read enough about corporate behavior to know the lengths to which people are willing to go to get rich, and it is rather scarring and traumatic to think that people can care so little about each other, and actually do terrible things to other on purpose in the name of money and money only, but it is a reality I am used to. When you connect the dots after learning about so many corporate abuses it is only possible to come to one conclusion: it is all about money. There can be no other explanation for the things people have done. I am quite interested in how you remain so naive and falsely optimistic. It is the same reason criminals kill for money. It is the same attitude. I'm not stupid enough to think that companies do not want to give off the impression that they care about people. Of course they perform PR in order to present this image, but what I am saying is that behind that, there is greed, plane and simple. I am tired of arguing about this. Nothing you say will convince me that enormous corporations actually care about me or anybody. It is preposterous on a level that is benumbing.

Did you just grow up all of a sudden?

I'm not sure if I understand the nature of this comment. Are you insulting me?

 

[flacaltenn]

Oh, I don't know... from watching the news. From learning about factory farming, hydraulic fracturing and its incredibly devastating environmental effects, the bottled water industry stealing water from ecosystems without anyones permission who live there, the fast food industry, the oil industry, how they killed the electric car, how Halliburton failed to provide for our troops which resulted in their many American deaths while over billing the American taxpayer unscrupulously all the while telling us we must support our troops, and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on... animal abuses, worker abuses, environmental abuses.

I just have to say that if you weren't so brainwashed by whatever media/print sources you consume -- you're outlook would be far more rational. Still didn't tell us where you got "the Monsanto is charge of the EPA" turdlet. Same with this paragraph.

WHO killed the electric car? Did it ever occur to you that even TODAY with all the product introductions of EVs into the market that it's STILL not quite ready for primetime? No conspiracy there -- it's engineering and marketing problems. Tough shit about the "fast food industry". It's called economic freedom and folks get to exercise choice. You want the power to BAN stuff you don't agree with. Everything from circumscism to pet shops is under attack in Leftist paradises like San Fran and Berkeley. Go live there and suffer thru the tyranny of folks who want LAWS to remove choices. There is a valid scientific debate on fracking. And many leftist propaganda sources have lied and embellished stories about reported hazards. YES -- it should be monitored. NO -- it's not impossible to frack and protect the water table..

You're missing the point that these are DEBATES.. Not indictments.



Not true -- I just give you a list of considerations and restraints on free-market biz. They CARE about reputation. They CARE about customer satisfaction. They CARE about living up to contracts and keeping themselves out of court. They WORRY about competition.

I went to school for business. I know how this shit works, so don't try to school me. It works the other way around. Natural markets don't work because there are far too many information problems, and corporations have far too much overreach into the political process to create their own rules and also have no restraint with regard to international boundaries, which make them almost impervious to international law if they are careful, as with Casino Jack in his dealings in Indonesian factories.

That is the saddest thing. Can you get your money back? This is perhaps the best argument argument I've ever heard for Student Loan forgiveness -- because BOY were YOU screwed by higher education..

Then you go on to hit on MILK as near murder. The reason why we don't give the keys to GOVT POWER to the marginalized morons like you -- is that EVERYONE knows the damage that you could do. And that there is SOLID proof that the CAUSE of GOVT collusion is too much power in the hands of inept and corrupt politicians. And anti-freedom, tyrannical ban-ners like yourself are not ever gonna get near that power.

Not all of us want to live in the dirt and scavenge for survival. If THAT'S why you hate Corporations -- try going Amish...

What are you BABBLING about? You talk such unelievable nonsense, and are so convinced of your own righteous, it is HILARIOUS!!!!

Here's the answer to your question about Monsanto:

(excerpt taken from The Amazing Revolving Door - Monsanto, FDA And EPA)

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The following is taken from the Edmonds Institute: http://www.edmonds-institute.org/door.html

David W. Beier . . .former head of Government Affairs for Genentech, Inc. . . . chief domestic policy advisor to Al Gore when he was Vice President.

Linda J. Fisher . . .former Assistant Administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency's Office of Pollution Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances...now Vice President of Government and Public Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael A. Friedman, M.D. . . former acting commissioner of the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Department of Health and Human Services . . .now senior vice-president for clinical affairs at G. D. Searle & Co., a pharmaceutical division of Monsanto Corporation.

L. Val Giddings . . . former biotechnology regulator and (biosafety) negotiator at the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA/APHIS) . . .now Vice President for Food & Agriculture of the Biotechnology Industry Organization (BIO).

Marcia Hale . . . former assistant to the President of the United States and director for intergovernmental affairs . . .now Director of International Government Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael (Mickey) Kantor. . . former Secretary of the United States Department of Commerce and former Trade Representative of the United States . . . now member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Josh King . . . former director of production for White House events. . . now director of global communication in the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.

Terry Medley . . . former administrator of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) of the United States Department of Agriculture, former chair and vice-chair of the United States Department of Agriculture Biotechnology Council, former member of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) food advisory committee...and now Director of Regulatory and External Affairs of Dupont Corporation's Agricultural Enterprise.

Margaret Miller . . . former chemical laboratory supervisor for Monsanto, . . .now Deputy Director of Human Food Safety and Consultative Services, New Animal Drug Evaluation Office, Center for Veterinary Medicine in the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA).*

Michael Phillips . . . recently with the National Academy of Science Board on Agriculture . . . now head of regulatory affairs for the Biotechnology Industry Organization.

William D. Ruckelshaus . . . former chief administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA), . .now (and for the past 12 years) a member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Michael Taylor . . . former legal advisor to the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA)'s Bureau of Medical Devices and Bureau of Foods, later executive assistant to the Commissioner of the FDA... still later a partner at the law firm of King & Spaulding where he supervised a nine-lawyer group whose clients included Monsanto Agricultural Company... still later Deputy Commissioner for Policy at the United States Food and Drug Administration, . . . and later with the law firm of King & Spaulding... now head of the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.*

Lidia Watrud . . . former microbial biotechnology researcher at Monsanto Corporation in St. Louis, Missouri, . . .now with the United States Environmental Protection Agency Environmental Effects Laboratory, Western Ecology Division.

Jack Watson. . .former chief of staff to the President of the United States, Jimmy Carter, . . .now a staff lawyer with Monsanto Corporation in Washington, D.C.

Clayton K. Yeutter . . . former Secretary of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, former U.S. Trade Representative (who led the U.S. team in negotiating the U.S. Canada Free Trade Agreement and helped launch the Uruguay Round of the GATT negotiations), now a member of the board of directors of Mycogen Corporation, whose majority owner is Dow AgroSciences, a wholly owned subsidiary of The Dow Chemical Company.

Larry Zeph . . . former biologist in the Office of Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, . . . now Regulatory Science Manager at Pioneer Hi-Bred International.

*Margaret Miller, Michael Taylor, and Suzanne Sechen (an FDA "primary reviewer for all rbST and other dairy drug production applications" ) were the subjects of a U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) investigation in 1994 for their role in the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's approval of Posilac, Monsanto Corporation's formulation of recombinant bovine growth hormone (rbST or rBGH). The GAO Office found "no conflicting financial interests with respect to the drug's approval" and only "one minor deviation from now superseded FDA regulations". (Quotations are from the 1994 GAO report).c

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You can attack my education. I don't really care. I have seen enough documentaries and read enough about corporate behavior to know the lengths to which people are willing to go to get rich, and it is rather scarring and traumatic to think that people can care so little about each other, and actually do terrible things to other on purpose in the name of money and money only, but it is a reality I am used to. When you connect the dots after learning about so many corporate abuses it is only possible to come to one conclusion: it is all about money. There can be no other explanation for the things people have done. I am quite interested in how you remain so naive and falsely optimistic. It is the same reason criminals kill for money. It is the same attitude. I'm not stupid enough to think that companies do not want to give off the impression that they care about people. Of course they perform PR in order to present this image, but what I am saying is that behind that, there is greed, plane and simple. I am tired of arguing about this. Nothing you say will convince me that enormous corporations actually care about me or anybody. It is preposterous on a level that is benumbing.

Nice try.. Nothing like your original assertion that Head of EPA came FROM Monsanto. Indeed 90% of the examples in that list are folks that went FROM GOVT to Monsanto.

 

[flacaltenn]

flacaltenn is amazing, most righties here only ALLUDE to the things that flacaltenn is saying, I think s/he really believes. Thats astounding. Corporations care about people more than profits? wow.

The question is which people do they care about more FOR their profits? aint it?

Yes I am.. aint' I?

Why would they bother with sponsoring multi-million dollar tournaments and race teams and create Superbowl ads, or music festivals or cancer drives if their PUBLIC IMAGE wasn't one of their most valuable assets?

You problem in understanding the FULL SCOPE of free-market Capitalism is that nobody talked back to those leftist teachers and professors that pumped tons of Noam Chomsky and Michael Moore into your head...

 

[newpolitics]

I just have to say that if you weren't so brainwashed by whatever media/print sources you consume -- you're outlook would be far more rational. Still didn't tell us where you got "the Monsanto is charge of the EPA" turdlet. Same with this paragraph.

WHO killed the electric car? Did it ever occur to you that even TODAY with all the product introductions of EVs into the market that it's STILL not quite ready for primetime? No conspiracy there -- it's engineering and marketing problems. Tough shit about the "fast food industry". It's called economic freedom and folks get to exercise choice. You want the power to BAN stuff you don't agree with. Everything from circumscism to pet shops is under attack in Leftist paradises like San Fran and Berkeley. Go live there and suffer thru the tyranny of folks who want LAWS to remove choices. There is a valid scientific debate on fracking. And many leftist propaganda sources have lied and embellished stories about reported hazards. YES -- it should be monitored. NO -- it's not impossible to frack and protect the water table..

You're missing the point that these are DEBATES.. Not indictments.



Not true -- I just give you a list of considerations and restraints on free-market biz. They CARE about reputation. They CARE about customer satisfaction. They CARE about living up to contracts and keeping themselves out of court. They WORRY about competition.


That is the saddest thing. Can you get your money back? This is perhaps the best argument argument I've ever heard for Student Loan forgiveness -- because BOY were YOU screwed by higher education..

Then you go on to hit on MILK as near murder. The reason why we don't give the keys to GOVT POWER to the marginalized morons like you -- is that EVERYONE knows the damage that you could do. And that there is SOLID proof that the CAUSE of GOVT collusion is too much power in the hands of inept and corrupt politicians. And anti-freedom, tyrannical ban-ners like yourself are not ever gonna get near that power.

Not all of us want to live in the dirt and scavenge for survival. If THAT'S why you hate Corporations -- try going Amish...

What are you BABBLING about? You talk such unelievable nonsense, and are so convinced of your own righteous, it is HILARIOUS!!!!

Here's the answer to your question about Monsanto:

(excerpt taken from The Amazing Revolving Door - Monsanto, FDA And EPA)

---------

The following is taken from the Edmonds Institute: http://www.edmonds-institute.org/door.html

David W. Beier . . .former head of Government Affairs for Genentech, Inc. . . . chief domestic policy advisor to Al Gore when he was Vice President.

Linda J. Fisher . . .former Assistant Administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency's Office of Pollution Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances...now Vice President of Government and Public Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael A. Friedman, M.D. . . former acting commissioner of the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Department of Health and Human Services . . .now senior vice-president for clinical affairs at G. D. Searle & Co., a pharmaceutical division of Monsanto Corporation.

L. Val Giddings . . . former biotechnology regulator and (biosafety) negotiator at the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA/APHIS) . . .now Vice President for Food & Agriculture of the Biotechnology Industry Organization (BIO).

Marcia Hale . . . former assistant to the President of the United States and director for intergovernmental affairs . . .now Director of International Government Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael (Mickey) Kantor. . . former Secretary of the United States Department of Commerce and former Trade Representative of the United States . . . now member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Josh King . . . former director of production for White House events. . . now director of global communication in the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.

Terry Medley . . . former administrator of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) of the United States Department of Agriculture, former chair and vice-chair of the United States Department of Agriculture Biotechnology Council, former member of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) food advisory committee...and now Director of Regulatory and External Affairs of Dupont Corporation's Agricultural Enterprise.

Margaret Miller . . . former chemical laboratory supervisor for Monsanto, . . .now Deputy Director of Human Food Safety and Consultative Services, New Animal Drug Evaluation Office, Center for Veterinary Medicine in the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA).*

Michael Phillips . . . recently with the National Academy of Science Board on Agriculture . . . now head of regulatory affairs for the Biotechnology Industry Organization.

William D. Ruckelshaus . . . former chief administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA), . .now (and for the past 12 years) a member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Michael Taylor . . . former legal advisor to the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA)'s Bureau of Medical Devices and Bureau of Foods, later executive assistant to the Commissioner of the FDA... still later a partner at the law firm of King & Spaulding where he supervised a nine-lawyer group whose clients included Monsanto Agricultural Company... still later Deputy Commissioner for Policy at the United States Food and Drug Administration, . . . and later with the law firm of King & Spaulding... now head of the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.*

Lidia Watrud . . . former microbial biotechnology researcher at Monsanto Corporation in St. Louis, Missouri, . . .now with the United States Environmental Protection Agency Environmental Effects Laboratory, Western Ecology Division.

Jack Watson. . .former chief of staff to the President of the United States, Jimmy Carter, . . .now a staff lawyer with Monsanto Corporation in Washington, D.C.

Clayton K. Yeutter . . . former Secretary of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, former U.S. Trade Representative (who led the U.S. team in negotiating the U.S. Canada Free Trade Agreement and helped launch the Uruguay Round of the GATT negotiations), now a member of the board of directors of Mycogen Corporation, whose majority owner is Dow AgroSciences, a wholly owned subsidiary of The Dow Chemical Company.

Larry Zeph . . . former biologist in the Office of Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, . . . now Regulatory Science Manager at Pioneer Hi-Bred International.

*Margaret Miller, Michael Taylor, and Suzanne Sechen (an FDA "primary reviewer for all rbST and other dairy drug production applications" ) were the subjects of a U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) investigation in 1994 for their role in the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's approval of Posilac, Monsanto Corporation's formulation of recombinant bovine growth hormone (rbST or rBGH). The GAO Office found "no conflicting financial interests with respect to the drug's approval" and only "one minor deviation from now superseded FDA regulations". (Quotations are from the 1994 GAO report).c

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You can attack my education. I don't really care. I have seen enough documentaries and read enough about corporate behavior to know the lengths to which people are willing to go to get rich, and it is rather scarring and traumatic to think that people can care so little about each other, and actually do terrible things to other on purpose in the name of money and money only, but it is a reality I am used to. When you connect the dots after learning about so many corporate abuses it is only possible to come to one conclusion: it is all about money. There can be no other explanation for the things people have done. I am quite interested in how you remain so naive and falsely optimistic. It is the same reason criminals kill for money. It is the same attitude. I'm not stupid enough to think that companies do not want to give off the impression that they care about people. Of course they perform PR in order to present this image, but what I am saying is that behind that, there is greed, plane and simple. I am tired of arguing about this. Nothing you say will convince me that enormous corporations actually care about me or anybody. It is preposterous on a level that is benumbing.

Nice try.. Nothing like your original assertion that Head of EPA came FROM Monsanto. Indeed 90% of the examples in that list are folks that went FROM GOVT to Monsanto.

So, my memory from watching 'Food, Inc' didn't serve me too well, pardon me. the point remains the same and has been proven. There is a revolving door between those high up in government and those high up in corporations. They go back and forth, and there are even laws about this with regards to Lobbyists who used to be in government, because it is such a danger. This can only present a conflict of interest, and erode our democracy, with so much attention being given to corporations in order to make their lives easier, usually at cost to workers, animals, the environment, and innocent bystanders. The perfect example being the 'Halliburton Loophole,' whereby Cheney, after he became VP allowed on the hydraulic fracturing industry to be exempt from the clean water act, because otherwise, his company, Halliburton, would not have been able to make money. Clear, plane, and simple. You don't need a degree to understand that corporations care only for profit and that they collude with government over mutually beneficial agreements. The historical facts speak for themselves.

 

[Si modo]

What are you BABBLING about? You talk such unelievable nonsense, and are so convinced of your own righteous, it is HILARIOUS!!!!

Here's the answer to your question about Monsanto:

(excerpt taken from The Amazing Revolving Door - Monsanto, FDA And EPA)

---------

The following is taken from the Edmonds Institute: http://www.edmonds-institute.org/door.html

David W. Beier . . .former head of Government Affairs for Genentech, Inc. . . . chief domestic policy advisor to Al Gore when he was Vice President.

Linda J. Fisher . . .former Assistant Administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency's Office of Pollution Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances...now Vice President of Government and Public Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael A. Friedman, M.D. . . former acting commissioner of the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) Department of Health and Human Services . . .now senior vice-president for clinical affairs at G. D. Searle & Co., a pharmaceutical division of Monsanto Corporation.

L. Val Giddings . . . former biotechnology regulator and (biosafety) negotiator at the United States Department of Agriculture (USDA/APHIS) . . .now Vice President for Food & Agriculture of the Biotechnology Industry Organization (BIO).

Marcia Hale . . . former assistant to the President of the United States and director for intergovernmental affairs . . .now Director of International Government Affairs for Monsanto Corporation.

Michael (Mickey) Kantor. . . former Secretary of the United States Department of Commerce and former Trade Representative of the United States . . . now member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Josh King . . . former director of production for White House events. . . now director of global communication in the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.

Terry Medley . . . former administrator of the Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service (APHIS) of the United States Department of Agriculture, former chair and vice-chair of the United States Department of Agriculture Biotechnology Council, former member of the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) food advisory committee...and now Director of Regulatory and External Affairs of Dupont Corporation's Agricultural Enterprise.

Margaret Miller . . . former chemical laboratory supervisor for Monsanto, . . .now Deputy Director of Human Food Safety and Consultative Services, New Animal Drug Evaluation Office, Center for Veterinary Medicine in the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA).*

Michael Phillips . . . recently with the National Academy of Science Board on Agriculture . . . now head of regulatory affairs for the Biotechnology Industry Organization.

William D. Ruckelshaus . . . former chief administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency (USEPA), . .now (and for the past 12 years) a member of the board of directors of Monsanto Corporation.

Michael Taylor . . . former legal advisor to the United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA)'s Bureau of Medical Devices and Bureau of Foods, later executive assistant to the Commissioner of the FDA... still later a partner at the law firm of King & Spaulding where he supervised a nine-lawyer group whose clients included Monsanto Agricultural Company... still later Deputy Commissioner for Policy at the United States Food and Drug Administration, . . . and later with the law firm of King & Spaulding... now head of the Washington, D.C. office of Monsanto Corporation.*

Lidia Watrud . . . former microbial biotechnology researcher at Monsanto Corporation in St. Louis, Missouri, . . .now with the United States Environmental Protection Agency Environmental Effects Laboratory, Western Ecology Division.

Jack Watson. . .former chief of staff to the President of the United States, Jimmy Carter, . . .now a staff lawyer with Monsanto Corporation in Washington, D.C.

Clayton K. Yeutter . . . former Secretary of the U.S. Department of Agriculture, former U.S. Trade Representative (who led the U.S. team in negotiating the U.S. Canada Free Trade Agreement and helped launch the Uruguay Round of the GATT negotiations), now a member of the board of directors of Mycogen Corporation, whose majority owner is Dow AgroSciences, a wholly owned subsidiary of The Dow Chemical Company.

Larry Zeph . . . former biologist in the Office of Prevention, Pesticides, and Toxic Substances, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, . . . now Regulatory Science Manager at Pioneer Hi-Bred International.

*Margaret Miller, Michael Taylor, and Suzanne Sechen (an FDA "primary reviewer for all rbST and other dairy drug production applications" ) were the subjects of a U.S. General Accounting Office (GAO) investigation in 1994 for their role in the U.S. Food and Drug Administration's approval of Posilac, Monsanto Corporation's formulation of recombinant bovine growth hormone (rbST or rBGH). The GAO Office found "no conflicting financial interests with respect to the drug's approval" and only "one minor deviation from now superseded FDA regulations". (Quotations are from the 1994 GAO report).c

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You can attack my education. I don't really care. I have seen enough documentaries and read enough about corporate behavior to know the lengths to which people are willing to go to get rich, and it is rather scarring and traumatic to think that people can care so little about each other, and actually do terrible things to other on purpose in the name of money and money only, but it is a reality I am used to. When you connect the dots after learning about so many corporate abuses it is only possible to come to one conclusion: it is all about money. There can be no other explanation for the things people have done. I am quite interested in how you remain so naive and falsely optimistic. It is the same reason criminals kill for money. It is the same attitude. I'm not stupid enough to think that companies do not want to give off the impression that they care about people. Of course they perform PR in order to present this image, but what I am saying is that behind that, there is greed, plane and simple. I am tired of arguing about this. Nothing you say will convince me that enormous corporations actually care about me or anybody. It is preposterous on a level that is benumbing.

Did you just grow up all of a sudden?

I'm not sure if I understand the nature of this comment. Are you insulting me?

I find it amazing that an adult (which I assume you are) finds it 'scarring and traumatic' to find out a reality of life - that businessmen are driven to make money.

 

[flacaltenn]

NewPolitics:::

Are you for Geothermal energy power plants?

 

[newpolitics]

NewPolitics:::

Are you for Geothermal energy power plants?

I don't know enough about them to take a strong stance on this.

 

[newpolitics]

Did you just grow up all of a sudden?

I'm not sure if I understand the nature of this comment. Are you insulting me?

I find it amazing that an adult (which I assume you are) finds it 'scarring and traumatic' to find out a reality of life - that businessmen are driven to make money.

The fact that businessmen make money is not what is scarring to me you moron, so stop trying to act cute.

 

[flacaltenn]

NewPolitics:::

Are you for Geothermal energy power plants?

I don't know enough about them to take a strong stance on this.

Well it's on most lists of Clean Green Alternative Energy sources.. Surely -- you'd love it right?

 

[Photonic]

Possibly the most useful thread on this entire site right now.

 

[blu]

Yeah OWS and the Tea party have alot of the same gripes and blame many of the same people. The only difference is that OWS claim that the elites are responsible (yanno the 1%) where the Tea Party seems to believe that the poor are to blame (or programs for the poor)

Both hate TARP, both are tiers of the same old shit but the tea party thinks that Obama is responsible for TARP

^^^^ That's the problem. Idiots who believe the bullshit instead of using logic to understand what people they disagree with are saying. The TEA Parties do not believe the poor are to blame. They believe (and they are right) that the fucking government is responsible. Hence, they protest the government.

Moron.

they protest the government until they want some third world country bombed or crosses burned into babies foreheads