The fallacy in your argument is that enforcement will try up jobs. That is flatly not true. Obviously, you are not in business in any way shape or form other than as an employee.
Still waiting to hear how companies hire illegals......
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The fallacy in your argument is that enforcement will try up jobs. That is flatly not true. Obviously, you are not in business in any way shape or form other than as an employee.
Immaterial, Rab.
The first thing I would do is to stop punishing people who hire illegals since that just drives it underground but make it so that if you hire someone who is not a citizen of the Untied States then you pay a 150% tax on their wages. This would discourage the hiring of illegals since the cost would be prohibitive but lets say an employer decided to hire an illegal anyways and just paid the tax on that employee. That employer would then have to report who he was paying that tax on and then the immigration authorities would know that person is a illegal. The arrest can be made. End of story.
Don't take this the wrong way, but I think this is a really bad idea.
1) Charging a 150% tax on the wages of non-citizens would effect immigrants who are here legally.
2) Do you honestly think that companies are going to pay any taxes on someone they are illegally employing under the table when the whole reason they are employing them under the table is to avoid taxes in the first place? You pass the tax and it will do absolutely nothing to stop illegal immigration. It will just stop legal immigration.
Much easier way is to make immigration easier but require anyone who came here illegally to return home and come back the legal way.
Why should business owners be responsible for enforcing immigration law? I've never understood this...I should be able to hire ANYONE that I want.Punish business for hiring illegals. Jail the managers who do it. Fine the companies out the wahoo. Keep doing it. Guess what? They will stop: either stop hiring illegals or will end stop doing business.
Start jailing just a few business owners and the jobs will dry up overnight.
The illegals will stream out of the country in the opposite direction
It is the business owners that created the problem by exploiting cheap labor. Let them pay the price
Makes more sense to me to enforce prevailing wage laws and let people hire whom they please, pay them a decent wage and deduct the tax from their paycheck.
The first thing I would do is to stop punishing people who hire illegals since that just drives it underground but make it so that if you hire someone who is not a citizen of the Untied States then you pay a 150% tax on their wages. This would discourage the hiring of illegals since the cost would be prohibitive but lets say an employer decided to hire an illegal anyways and just paid the tax on that employee. That employer would then have to report who he was paying that tax on and then the immigration authorities would know that person is a illegal. The arrest can be made. End of story.
So wait a minute...motivated by greed but they'll hire illegals and pay MORE to hire them?
Think this concept needs some rethinking.
I would like to add that a strong way to prevent illegal imigration is to make the process of becoming an American citizen quicker. Yes, we need to conduct appropriate background checks on anyone leaving or coming into the country temporarily and permanently. But, there are people who have been living and working in this country for years who are still undocumented. The faster we can effectively grant citizenship to those who wish to come here, the better. If the process were easier, we would be engouraging immigrants to come to this country legally and integrate into society rather than living in the shadows.
I agree with this. The process should be more convenient so that someone wanting to come would think it is easier to apply rather than pay a coyote to haul them across the desert. That would help out.
Your question is immaterial, Rab. Businesses hire illegals because they can with very little fear of being punished. Enforce the laws, the illegals go away, businesses will have to hire legals.
That is obvious, and it is obvious that you are wrong. Your reasoning is shallow and pathetic and sad. Hatred corrodes the soul, Rab, and yours is showing.
No, Rab, you have not addressed the irrefutable fact that the jobs would still be there after the illegals left.
Quit being obstinate when you know you are wrong. You can't make a silly assertion, a la Patek or Diamond or Lonestar, and then ask someone else to refute it with facts. That's not how informed discussion works.
That is exactly why you reactionaries having been getting clobbered the last month in particular on the board.
The first thing I would do is to stop punishing people who hire illegals since that just drives it underground but make it so that if you hire someone who is not a citizen of the Untied States then you pay a 150% tax on their wages.
This would discourage the hiring of illegals since the cost would be prohibitive but lets say an employer decided to hire an illegal anyways and just paid the tax on that employee.
That employer would then have to report who he was paying that tax on and then the immigration authorities would know that person is a illegal. The arrest can be made. End of story.
Jake, oh why are you so thick? Were you dropped as a child?
I am still waiting to hear how companies hire illegals in the first place. Do they place ads in La Prensa?
José;2236175 said:I agree with most of what Terral said except the "throw employers into prison and take away their livelihood" part. Fines, yes, jail and draconian measures, no. But I think that was only rhetorical anyway.
José;2236175 said:But the repatriation of millions of foreigners residing in the US for 10 or 20 years IS WELL WITHIN THE RIGHTS OF ANY SOVEREIGN COUNTRY.
José;2236175 said:Ethnic cleansing would be the forced removal of ancient hispanic communities that predate the USA.
José;2236175 said:The repatriation of foreigners residing in the US for less than 3 decades DO NOT CONSTITUTE ETHNIC CLEASING BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IMAGINATION!!!!