9/11: The Pentaplane Flyover Theory

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    There has already been a fair amount of discussion regarding what happened at the Pentagon in this forum, much of which I have participated in, in other threads. That being said, I think the other threads on the subject start off in a tone that clearly implies those behind the threads haven't studied the issue in much depth. In my view, this can lead to individuals entering the discussion, not really having much knowledge of the depth of evidence against the official story's version of events, which is why I intend to transfer any discussions I have been having with others regarding the Pentagon event in other threads to this one. I have studied and discussed the Pentagon event on 9/11 for years, and I think that while a 5 minute video known as "Pentagon Strike" is an excellent place to begin, it is only the beginning. For those who are unfamiliar with this video, The Pentagon Strike focuses on evidence that whatever happened at the Pentagon, it couldn't have been hit by a 757 airplane. I find much of this evidence is as compelling today as it was when it was first released. That video can be seen here:



    For those who want to go beyond this point, I offer 2 additional videos, from 2 different organizations, and as well as some commentary on the organizations and the videos themselves.


    The first is from Citizen Investigation Team, or CIT for short. This team of investigators, which have primarily been composed of Aldo Marquis and Craig Ranke, worked for many years on uncovering what really happened in the Pentagon attack. They went down to Arlington, Virginia, to video record the witnesses they found were in the best position to know exactly what happened during the Pentagon event. What they found out surprised them. Essentially, they found out that all the witnesses they found to be credible had the plane flying a path that took it North of a Citgo gas station that was directly east of the Pentagon at the time, instead of south of the Citgo gas station, which is what the official narrative had posited at that point in time. This was very important, as all of the damage that the official story had alleged was caused by American Airlines Flight 77 could not have been caused by an airplane that flew in a path that took it North of the Citgo gas station before approaching the Pentagon. The conclusion was as inevitable as it was stunning: the Pentaplane must have flown over the Pentagon. CIT has done many videos, all of which I believe focus on the testimony of atleast 1 witness who claims to have seen what happened at the Pentagon from a good vantage point, recommends that for just diving in to their work, that they see National Security Alert, so this is the video I have put up below:




    The second video is from Pilots for 9/11 Truth. This group, founded by current or former pilots, and whose core is the same, have focused on what occurred with the 4 planes that were allegedly hijacked by Al Qaeda on 9/11. They have also done many documentaries on the subject of these planes. I feel that the best video specifically regarding the Pentagon attack that they have made is 9/11: Attack on the Pentagon. The video incorporates the work done by CIT and its many points of its own as well. It was uploaded to the internet by Pilots for 9/11 Truth and can be found here:



    I am hoping that people who participate in this thread watch atleast one (or part of one) of the videos from CIT or Pilots for 9/11 Truth that I have linked to above, and comment in a constructive manner as to whether they agree or disagree with the points made, and why.
     
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    No, I wasn't present at the interviews. I don't see how that matters, perhaps because I disagree with your notion they were "highly edited" as you say. Nor have I seen any evidence that any of the North side witnesses interviewed by CIT were "actors". That being said, I find that the one witness they interview that clearly supports the official story, Lloyd England, is quite interesting. They clearly felt the same, as they made a documentary that was focused on him alone, and which is definitely a favourite of mine because of what it reveals. It can be seen here:


    Furthermore, many of the witnesses they interviewed were interviewed before them by the Library of Congress and the U.S. Army's Center for Military History, a fact that CIT has made clear on its web site, here:
    Official Interviews | 9/11 Pentagon
     
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    A five sided plane, never seen one...
     
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    Hey has anybody here heard by chance that many people doubt the warren commission,that oswald shot JFK?
     
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    Is it a five sided object also?
     
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    The Pentaplane is simply a moniker for the plane that approached the Pentagon. If you had actually watched either CIT or Pilots for 9/11 Truth's videos that I posted in my opening post, you would have known that.
     
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    I've seen them before...
     
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    If you want to discuss the JFK assassination, please do so in a thread dedicated towards that goal. This thread is dedicated to discussing the Pentaplane flyover theory, as the title of the thread suggests...
     
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    Great. Would you care to offer some constructive comments on either of them?
     
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    I definitely agree with that. I believe CIT would also agree. I think there's a lot of evidence that it was fabricated with the intention of -supporting- the official story. That being said, I believe that CIT has shown that it falls short of doing so upon close examination.

    I think you over estimate the public's interest in such matters. If the public was truly paying attention, the official story regarding the Pentagon attack would have been revealed as a fraud to enough people that it would have had to have been officially torn down. In any case, it is easier to say that someone is mistaken regarding the size of the plane then it is to say that someone is mistaken as to what flight path the plane took, especially if the witness is in a position that would make it impossible for them to have seen the plane at all if it were on the official flight path.

    I and CIT firmly believe that the downing of the light poles were staged well in advance of 9/11, perhaps the night before.


    That sounds reasonable...

    I think CIT addresses the issue of witnesses believing they saw the impact an article named The 2nd Plane Cover Story:

    **The complex topography, landscape, and sheer size of the Pentagon create a scenario where people on the alleged impact side of the Pentagon -- who would even have a view of this portion of the building at all -- would most readily be fooled by the sleight of hand deception of a plane timed perfectly with the explosion.

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    However, there are some areas of 395 and up in the Crystal City high-rises where people would have been able to see the plane on the east side of the Pentagon after the explosion, or possibly even the whole flyover if they happened to already be looking out the window in that direction when the plane approached. For example, here is a shot from the top floor of the Double Tree hotel that shows what would have been a good view of the flyover if someone was in this room looking out the window in this direction as opposed to glued to their TV watching the horror unfolding in NYC. (This was likely the case for most, as there are VERY few eyewitness reports from the Crystal City highrises).

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    Any talk about a "2nd plane" at all would help provide an explanation for the people who saw the flyover and were confused about what they saw in relation to the official impact narrative. There definitely were planes that were in the airspace minutes after the attack but there were false reports of a "2nd plane" that allegedly "shadowed" the AA jet and "veered away" over the Pentagon during the explosion. The only planes that have been confirmed in the airspace near the time of the attack came in several minutes later. Specifically there was a C-130 near the Pentagon and an E4B over DC skies, both didn't appear until about three minutes or more after the explosion. Both of these planes have been shrouded in mystery and speculation. News reports of these planes were ambiguously blended with the flyover via fabricated accounts ofsome sort of second military plane/jet shadowing/chasing along the same flight path and then veering off/peeling off and up into the air. Anyone who might have seen the flyover jet would have been thrown off by these fabricated accounts that place a 2nd plane in the airspace at the same time of impact, essentially veering away simultaneously with the explosion...

    USA Today reporter Vin Narayanan:
    -"I hopped out of my car after the jet exploded, nearly oblivious to a second *jet* hovering in the skies".

    USA Today editor Joel Sucherman:
    -Sucherman saw another plane climb steeply and make a sharp turn. "I thought, 'Is this thing coming around to make a second attack? If there is another explosion, we're toast.'"..."another plane started veering up and to the side. At that point it wasn't clear if that plane was trying to maneuver out of the air space or if that plane was coming round for another hit.

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    Kelly Knowles:
    ...she saw a second plane in the air *over the Pentagon* *as* a hijacked jet plunged into the five-sided military fortress...some sort of plane followed the doomed American Airlines jet toward the Pentagon, then veered away after the explosion. "Thank God somebody else saw that. There was most definitely a second plane, " Knowles said. "It's so frustrating because nobody knows about the second plane, or if they do they're hiding it for some reason." Pentagon official said late Friday no other plane was flying with the jetliner. But he said it was possible a military plane was in the area at the time of the attack.


    The article continues with other witnesses, I think it's pretty good, may want to take a look...



    Steven Gerard wasn't in the best position to know if the plane actually hit the Pentagon. Lagasse and Brooks were in a better position (they were at the Citgo gas station, which was closer to the Pentagon then the Navy Annex), but they still had the same problem, namely that a well timed fireball shortly after the Pentaplane began going -over- the Pentagon could have easily fooled them into believing that the plane had crashed into the Pentagon instead of going over it, as demonstrated by the graphic at the beginning of this post.

    I have been unable to determine where Steve Patterson was located. That being said, the distance of Don Wright and Steve Patterson, and particularly where they were in relation to the plane when it made its final approach to the Pentagon, also made it easier for them to be fooled into believing the Pentaplane had hit the Pentagon instead of flying over it.


    The translator botched the translation. Also, in the video interview I've seen of him, I never see him mentioning that he saw the plane being enveloped in flames. It seems the only thing he actually agreed to was that there was a big explosion.

    I reject the notion that I am promoting another forum here; I haven't participated in that forum for a long time; I just mention it because I put a lot of work into that thread and find that it is a valuable source of information on the subject, just as I find articles on various subjects to be valuable sources of information. That being said, I can certainly imagine admins doing exactly what you say. I suppose I'll have to tell people to PM me if they want to know the links to threads with information on various topics that aren't in this forum -.-

    I feel his theories are the best theories so far to explain the anomalies regarding the passengers that I have seen, which is why I posted it.
     
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