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No one ever said the propagandists weren't good at their jobs. They know how to distort and misrepresent the issues to favor the special interests who can pay for their services.
They've managed to convince guys who'll never make much more than minimum wage that taxing the rich at fair rates is a bad idea.
They managed to convice guys who'll die long before their times that universal health care is a bad idea.
They manage to convince guys who'll drift from one dead-end job to another that protecting American jobs is a bad idea.
They call it free-market capitalism, wrap it in the flag and shove it down the dupes' throats and they love it.
Go figure.
Why do you think the rightwing propagandists, who are in a significantly distinct minority among propagandists, are so much more effective in getting people to respond to their message than is your side?
Could it be that you're interpreting the conservative message entirely wrong?
All the major media firms are rightwing. If you need a reason for the effectiveness of rightwing propaganda, focus on that. Virtually everything you hear or see in the broadcast and cable media is skewed to the right.
I doubt 10% of Americans could define socialism as something other than "just like communism! Commie Bastards!"
I was hoping that someone would make that point, so that I was able to include
an indictment of the US school system, erroneously referred to as an education system.
Since the Gallup Poll so clearly indicates the large positive approval of free market, etc., and yet a sizeable portion of the citizenry, at least those polled, have a positive view of socialism, someone must have dropped the ball somewhere.
I think an argument could be made, though, that many of those folks who signed on to socialism, merely view the term as Democode for the Democratic Party-
but I am not saying that most are not Wilson-Dewey-Obama-Progressive-Liberals.
They probably are: note one of the above posts, a poster who syncretically attempts to claim to be a happy socialist, yet, it seems, has not moved to the EU yet.
Maybe that 61% is smarter than you think they are. We have not had a purely capitalistic system in a very long time. It makes me wonder about all the republicans and conservatives who found it negative. I wonder if they know we've had 'socialist elements' in our system for most of the existence off the Constitution. There are even some none pure capitalist elements in the constitution.
No, that would be you pussies.The USA is a socialist country.
"Know wonder"
and you claim we are uneducated.
Yukon is to stupid to know he can't reason write or spell.
"I see (democrats) stupid people, there everywhere, the problem is they don't even know they are stupid"
"to stupid" should be too stupid; a comma should separate reason and write; the syntax of the final sentence is one which might be acceptable if English is not your native language, and "democrats" (if you meant a member of the Democratic Party) should be capitalized.
Why do you think the rightwing propagandists, who are in a significantly distinct minority among propagandists, are so much more effective in getting people to respond to their message than is your side?
Could it be that you're interpreting the conservative message entirely wrong?
All the major media firms are rightwing. If you need a reason for the effectiveness of rightwing propaganda, focus on that. Virtually everything you hear or see in the broadcast and cable media is skewed to the right.
Sorry, but ALL studies, all scientific polls, and ALL competent analysis of the mainstream American media, even that done by leftwingers, comes to the same conclusion that it is mostly leftwing. The relatively rare by comparison conservative program is vastly outnumbered by the number of sources, amount of print, and number of hours broadcast by the Left.
Until you acknowledge that, you will have no credibility in this line of discussion.
Yukon is to stupid to know he can't reason write or spell.
"I see (democrats) stupid people, there everywhere, the problem is they don't even know they are stupid"
"to stupid" should be too stupid; a comma should separate reason and write; the syntax of the final sentence is one which might be acceptable if English is not your native language, and "democrats" (if you meant a member of the Democratic Party) should be capitalized.
It makes me hot when you correct grammar!
If we have Capitalism, what do we do with the ones who cannot survive? With Socialism, those who have resent keeping up those who have not. And why would you need Communism, if you can only take out what you put in, you can do that own your own without the label. What ever happened to what made this country great, working together for a better tomorrow?
Sorry, but ALL studies, all scientific polls, and ALL competent analysis of the mainstream American media, even that done by leftwingers, comes to the same conclusion that it is mostly leftwing. The relatively rare by comparison conservative program is vastly outnumbered by the number of sources, amount of print, and number of hours broadcast by the Left.
Until you acknowledge that, you will have no credibility in this line of discussion.
"...that general well-being of a nation's populace is the measure of a "beneficial" system,..."
Absolutely!
That is why I champion capitalism, and eschew socialism.
"In its modern beginnings, socialism was optimistic and well intentioned, without the overlay of its contemporary varieties that tend to bemoan prosperity, romanticize poverty, and promote a view that place individual rights are a secondary concern. This is to say that the earliest socialists sought the fullest possible flourishing of humanity, “the common good.”
Marxism rested on the assumption that the condition of the working classes would grow ever worse under capitalism, that there would be but two classes: one small and rich, the other vast and increasingly impoverished, and revolution would be the anodyne that would result in the “common good.” But by the early 20th century, it was clear that this assumption was completely wrong! Under capitalism, the standard of living of all was improving: prices falling, incomes rising, health and sanitation improving, lengthening of life spans, diets becoming more varied, the new jobs created in industry paid more than most could make in agriculture, housing improved, and middle class industrialists and business owners displaced nobility and gentry as heroes.
These economic advances continued throughout the period of the rise of socialist ideology. The poor didn’t get poorer because the rich were getting richer (a familiar socialist refrain even today) as the socialists had predicted. Instead, the underlying reality was that capitalism had created the first societies in history in which living standards were rising in all sectors of society."
From a speech by Rev. Robert A. Sirico, President, Acton Institute for the Study of Religion and Liberty.
Delivered at Hillsdale College, October 27, 2006
https://www.hillsdale.edu/news/imprimis/archive/issue.asp?year=2007&month=05
All the major media firms are rightwing. If you need a reason for the effectiveness of rightwing propaganda, focus on that. Virtually everything you hear or see in the broadcast and cable media is skewed to the right.
Sorry, but ALL studies, all scientific polls, and ALL competent analysis of the mainstream American media, even that done by leftwingers, comes to the same conclusion that it is mostly leftwing. The relatively rare by comparison conservative program is vastly outnumbered by the number of sources, amount of print, and number of hours broadcast by the Left.
Until you acknowledge that, you will have no credibility in this line of discussion.
Eh, I do believe we need to establish a reference point as to right or, left.
With joe steel, and his ideologue.....everything is to the right.
Makes a person wonder just how far left that boy really is.
Sorry, but ALL studies, all scientific polls, and ALL competent analysis of the mainstream American media, even that done by leftwingers, comes to the same conclusion that it is mostly leftwing. The relatively rare by comparison conservative program is vastly outnumbered by the number of sources, amount of print, and number of hours broadcast by the Left.
Until you acknowledge that, you will have no credibility in this line of discussion.
Great, then you should have no trouble giving us a recent example of a non-right-wing source that proves just that.
Say in the last couple of years.
Sorry, but ALL studies, all scientific polls, and ALL competent analysis of the mainstream American media, even that done by leftwingers, comes to the same conclusion that it is mostly leftwing. The relatively rare by comparison conservative program is vastly outnumbered by the number of sources, amount of print, and number of hours broadcast by the Left.
Until you acknowledge that, you will have no credibility in this line of discussion.
Great, then you should have no trouble giving us a recent example of a non-right-wing source that proves just that.
Say in the last couple of years.
Dan Rather, Katie Couric, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, Edward R. Murrow, Ted Koppel, Andy Rooney, Leslie Stahl, George Stephanopoulos, Mike Wallace, Barbara Walters, Ed Bradley, Campbell Brown, Jack Cafferty, Walter Cronkite, Jim Lehrer, Roger Grimsby, Soledad O’Brien, Keith Olbermann, Cokie Roberts, Diane Sawyer, Bob Schieffer, Paula Zahn, Sam Donaldson, Brian Williams, Judy Woodruff, David Shuster, Bernard Shaw, Jessica Savitch, Harry Reasoner, Sally Quinn, Gwen Ifill, Douglas Kiker, Charles Kuralt, Roger Mudd, Robert MacNeil, Charles Osgood, Douglas Edwards, John Chancellor, Charles Gibson, Christiane Amanpour, Anderson Cooper, Ann Curry, Marvin Kalb, Bryant Gimbel, Andrea Mitchell, Jeanne Moos, Bill Schneider, Daniel Schoor, Richard Threlkeld, Jake Tapper, Ann Compton, Lester Holt, Michael Beschloss
All card-carrying liberals. So, which of them spread nasty notions about Democrats?
The left-wing media types gush over Leftist Pols, such as this one, where Beschloss tells all how smart President Obama is...but can't document any of it.
Here is Beschloss making a fool of himself of Imus show:
FREEDOM EDEN: Mike Beschloss, Don Imus, and Barack Obama's IQ
Here is Linda Douglas shilling for the Obama healthplan, and nailed by Howard Kurtz, CNN, as she lies about Obama and single payer, and supports snitching on Americans:
Chris Matthews expressed his latest over the top admiration for Obama's speaking skills as the MSNBC anchor admitted that Obama's speech created a "thrill" in his leg:
Read more:
And which of the following tow the right wing line:
NYTimes, LATime, Boston Globe, Washington Post.
Enough?
Dan Rather, Katie Couric, Tom Brokaw, Peter Jennings, Edward R. Murrow, Ted Koppel, Andy Rooney, Leslie Stahl, George Stephanopoulos, Mike Wallace, Barbara Walters, Ed Bradley, Campbell Brown, Jack Cafferty, Walter Cronkite, Jim Lehrer, Roger Grimsby, Soledad OBrien, Keith Olbermann, Cokie Roberts, Diane Sawyer, Bob Schieffer, Paula Zahn, Sam Donaldson, Brian Williams, Judy Woodruff, David Shuster, Bernard Shaw, Jessica Savitch, Harry Reasoner, Sally Quinn, Gwen Ifill, Douglas Kiker, Charles Kuralt, Roger Mudd, Robert MacNeil, Charles Osgood, Douglas Edwards, John Chancellor, Charles Gibson, Christiane Amanpour, Anderson Cooper, Ann Curry, Marvin Kalb, Bryant Gimbel, Andrea Mitchell, Jeanne Moos, Bill Schneider, Daniel Schoor, Richard Threlkeld, Jake Tapper, Ann Compton, Lester Holt, Michael Beschloss
All card-carrying liberals. So, which of them spread nasty notions about Democrats?
The left-wing media types gush over Leftist Pols, such as this one, where Beschloss tells all how smart President Obama is...but can't document any of it.
Here is Beschloss making a fool of himself of Imus show:
FREEDOM EDEN: Mike Beschloss, Don Imus, and Barack Obama's IQ
Here is Linda Douglas shilling for the Obama healthplan, and nailed by Howard Kurtz, CNN, as she lies about Obama and single payer, and supports snitching on Americans:
Chris Matthews expressed his latest over the top admiration for Obama's speaking skills as the MSNBC anchor admitted that Obama's speech created a "thrill" in his leg:
Read more:
And which of the following tow the right wing line:
NYTimes, LATime, Boston Globe, Washington Post.
Enough?
No, certainly not. The above are your opinion and there is no scientific basis in fact.
Which of the following tow the Right-wing line:
FoxNews, ALL OF TALK RADIO, The Wall Street Journal, the Washington Post, the New York Post.
I find most actual network anchors, like many of the ones you mentioned to in fact be cautiously moderate. It's all about perception.
I could give you a nice long list of right-wing media personalities too, but I think you know who they are.
The studies I've seen roughly span the last 20 years. The one I have at easy disposal and don't have to expend time that I don't have looking for should be recent enough as there has been no significant shift to the left or right of any mainstream media entity that I know of in the last ten years or so.
Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist / UCLA Newsroom
This is assuming that you accept UCLA as an entity not known for its rightwing emphasis, point of view, or ideology.
Well look at that UCLA study I posted for you. Most successful talk radio is indeed mostly conservative. FoxNews magazines are also mostly conservative but they do balance with the leftist point of view by some of their commentators and hosts and their news division is rated among the most centrist. The WSJ is very liberal in its news division; conservative in its editorial division. New York Post is decidedly right centered but has a miniscule circulation compared to the New York Times which is much more left centered.
Well look at that UCLA study I posted for you. Most successful talk radio is indeed mostly conservative. FoxNews magazines are also mostly conservative but they do balance with the leftist point of view by some of their commentators and hosts and their news division is rated among the most centrist. The WSJ is very liberal in its news division; conservative in its editorial division. New York Post is decidedly right centered but has a miniscule circulation compared to the New York Times which is much more left centered.
The Wall Street Journal is no longer "liberal" in ANY division. Murdoch bought the company a few years back and has made significant changes.
I still find it to be a relatively trustworthy news source, but it has a rightward slant in news and an extraordinarily right-wing editorial department.
The New York post is not "left-centered", it is a propaganda rag on the journalistic level of the National Enquirer, except for it's sports section.
I doubt 10% of Americans could define socialism as something other than "just like communism! Commie Bastards!"
If your number IS even close to being true. It makes it that much more troubling to me, that 61% of democrats view socialism as favorable.
If I may conjecture that American ideas and ideals are more closely associated with self-reliance, free enterprise, and entrepeneurship, what is one to make of the latest Gallup poll?
"Americans are almost uniformly positive in their reactions to three terms: small business, free enterprise, and entrepreneurs. They are divided on big business and the federal government, with roughly as many Americans saying their view is positive as say it is negative. Americans are more positive than negative on capitalism (61% versus 33%) and more negative than positive on socialism (36% to 58%).
Socialism had the lowest percentage positive rating and the highest negative rating of any term tested. Still, more than a third of Americans say they have a positive image of socialism.
Exactly how Americans define "socialism" or what exactly they think of when they hear the word is not known. The research simply measures Americans' reactions when a survey interviewer reads the word to them -- an exercise that helps shed light on connotations associated with this frequently used term.
There are significant differences in reactions to "socialism" across ideological and partisan groups:
A majority of 53% of Democrats have a positive image of socialism, compared to 17% of Republicans.
Sixty-one percent of liberals say their image of socialism is positive, compared to 39% of moderates and 20% of conservatives."
Socialism Viewed Positively by 36% of Americans
It seems that socialism should be included in pantheon of Democrat beliefs.
