5 ways we know that yes, they want to ban guns and end the 2nd Amendment...

[Taz]

US had 9,369 murders in one year. The UK had 14 in the same year. What don't you get? "enhanced reduction"? You mean from 14? Seriously? And and increase to what? 17, that will make that stat look really bad? Try some honesty for a change.

Yes using absolute numbers to compare populations that vary greatly in size

Talk about disingenuous

So the UK is about 700 times smaller then the US? Or is it more?

The only honest way to compare to populations that differ in size is to use ratios not absolute numbers

UK = 65 million people, 14 gun murders.

US = 350 million people, 9,369 gun murders.

You do the math. I'll wait.

Rhetorical Tautology.

Everyone accepts that if there were no guns what-so-ever, there'd be no "gun-crime" what-so ever. Only disingenuous idiots attempt to use such tautologies as the foundation for their retarded arguments.​

Never said that, you fail again.

 

[LuckyDuck]

Yes....they want to ban guns and they want to end the 2nd Amendment...how do we know? They keep telling us they want to ban guns and end the 2nd Amendment....

5 Facts Proving "They Are Coming For Your Guns" Is Not A Conspiracy Theory

1. The mainstream media is openly calling for the repeal of the Second Amendment
It is no secret that every time there are reports of a mass shooting, there are a number of politicians who openly call for gun control, but there has recently been an increase in media outlets joining the anti-gun bandwagon. The Miami Herald published an Op-Ed titled, “Repeal The Second Amendment—It’s Not A Crazy Idea.” Rolling Stone published an explanation on “Why It’s Time To Repeal The Second Amendment.” And USA Today stated, “Repeal The Second Amendment. It’s The Only Way Towards Real Change.”

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2. Students are parroting the claims and using their platforms as victims of gun violence to push for a ban on guns
Parkland Shooting survivor David Hogg has become the face of the student activist movement against guns, and the demands are troubling. The students are openly supporting a ban on guns that have been deemed “assault rifles,” a ban on high-capacity magazines, a federal background check “on every gun sale,” increasing taxes on gun sales and raising the minimum age to own a gun to 21.

In a speech at a March For Our Lives rally, Stoneman Douglas student Delaney Tarr revealed that even if the students achieve individual bans, they will continue to push until the Second Amendment is fully dismantled. “We will take the big and we will take the small, but we will keep fighting. When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile. We are not here for breadcrumbs. We are here for real change,” she said.
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3. Law Enforcement officials are also calling for a ban on guns—which means they would be the only ones with guns
It is no secret that a ban on guns would result in law enforcement officers and criminals being the only individuals who have guns. Daryl Fisher, a candidate for Buncombe County Sheriff in North Carolina, recently addressed the issue of how police would confiscate the firearms, and when proposed with the quote “you’ll have to pry my guns from my cold, dead hands,” he shrugged his shoulders and said “OK!”

I sure hope you're locked and loaded with that much paranoia.

/-----/ These famous leaders agree with you 100%. What could possibly go wrong?
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Actually, gun control works in other civilized countries. Maybe when we're civilized for real...

Yeah. The Brazilian government took away it's law-abiding civilians guns and in 2017 they have had over 64,000 homicides and now those same law-abiding citizens are demanding their guns back so that they can protect themselves and the Brazilian government is considering giving in to that demand.

 

[LuckyDuck]

A society that's actually civilized, has no problem with it's members possessing machine guns, rifles, shotguns, handguns, machetes, knives, etc...

Uncivilized societies--whose members are continuously on the brink of bloody savagery over the smallest of trivialities--are those that see civilian disarmament as a solution to mass murder in their streets.

Anti-rights advocates can now stop holding up these nations as civilized societies.

The consequences of gun control legislation are predictable; and have been predicted by the opponents of such legislation every time it's brought up. It is then fair to conclude that those consequences are the actual objective of such measures. Gun control works here... it works exactly as intended. I submit Columbine, Sandy Hook, Pulse, Parkland, etc. as evidence.

The targets of those atrocities were obeying the "common sense" gun laws governing the possession of such at those venues.

There is only one motive in the desire to see the targets of criminal violence undefended.

There is only one kind of person who desires to see the targets of criminal violence disarmed.

The people who desire to see the targets of criminal violence disarmed are the problem; they are the entire problem, and they are making their intentions clear.

Arrest them, prosecute them, and imprison them.. .and all the rest who would see the targets of their violence disarmed and undefended--and you'll see the end of these atrocities.

In one year, US - 9.369 murders with a gun (4th in the world), UK - 14.
The official figures in Brazil where they did institute gun control by taking away the guns from law-abiding citizens, clearly counters your stance that less guns mean less crime.
Countries Compared by Crime > Murders with firearms. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

Rhetorical Tautology.

Everyone accepts that if there were no guns what-so-ever, there'd be no "gun-crime" what-so ever. Only disingenuous idiots attempt to use such tautologies as the foundation for their retarded arguments.

No one argues that there are few murders in the U.S.

No one argues that the murder rate is lowest in the U.S.

The point you're avoiding is that where prohibitionist gun control measure are instituted, those places see no enhanced reduction in violent crime (including murders) and often see an increase in violent crime (including murders.

US had 9,369 murders in one year. The UK had 14 in the same year. What don't you get?

No one makes the argument that there are fewer murders in the U.S. What don't you get?

"enhanced reduction"? You mean from 14? Seriously? And and increase to what? 17, that will make that stat look really bad? Try some honesty for a change.

Yes. Seriously. Murder rates rise and fall in response to a number of variables. What don't you get?

If the rate is rising, and some change is made, and there is no change in the rate of that rising, then it is fair to conclude that the change had no effect on the rate of change. What don't you get?

If the rate is falling, and some change is made, and there is no change in the rate of that falling, then it is fair to conclude that the change had no effect on the rate of change. What don't you get?

In the U.S., gun regulations are (overall) becoming less restrictive, and the rates of gun ownership along with gun sales are rising. In the U.S., the overall violent crime rate is falling. The overall murder rate is falling.

In the nations (as well as localities within the U.S.) where restrictive gun-control legislation has been introduced, the rates of violent crimes went unchanged, or in many cases actually increased... as if violent retards ignored such legislations and (in possession of guns or not) took advantage of the likelihood that their victims voluntarily disarmed themselves to comply with those restrictive gun-control laws.

All of this in direct contradiction to your bullshit paradigm.

What don't you get?

You can’t understand that gun control laws keep the rate low? Um...ok.

 

[Cellblock2429]

Rhetorical Tautology.

Everyone accepts that if there were no guns what-so-ever, there'd be no "gun-crime" what-so ever. Only disingenuous idiots attempt to use such tautologies as the foundation for their retarded arguments.

No one argues that there are few murders in the U.S.

No one argues that the murder rate is lowest in the U.S.

The point you're avoiding is that where prohibitionist gun control measure are instituted, those places see no enhanced reduction in violent crime (including murders) and often see an increase in violent crime (including murders.

US had 9,369 murders in one year. The UK had 14 in the same year. What don't you get? "enhanced reduction"? You mean from 14? Seriously? And and increase to what? 17, that will make that stat look really bad? Try some honesty for a change.

Yes using absolute numbers to compare populations that vary greatly in size

Talk about disingenuous

So the UK is about 700 times smaller then the US? Or is it more?

The only honest way to compare to populations that differ in size is to use ratios not absolute numbers

UK = 65 million people, 14 gun murders.

US = 350 million people, 9,369 gun murders.

You do the math. I'll wait.

/——/ Now compare the rise in murders and assaults with knives you gun grabber

 

[LuckyDuck]

US had 9,369 murders in one year. The UK had 14 in the same year. What don't you get? "enhanced reduction"? You mean from 14? Seriously? And and increase to what? 17, that will make that stat look really bad? Try some honesty for a change.

Yes using absolute numbers to compare populations that vary greatly in size

Talk about disingenuous

So the UK is about 700 times smaller then the US? Or is it more?

The only honest way to compare to populations that differ in size is to use ratios not absolute numbers

UK = 65 million people, 14 gun murders.

US = 350 million people, 9,369 gun murders.

You do the math. I'll wait.

/——/ Now compare the rise in murders and assaults with knives you gun grabber

With the large influx of Muslims into London and the gun restrictions, the hospitals, per the doctors, are looking like war zones, with large numbers of stab wounds showing up. One weapon traded for another. Of course there's now the newer method of killing people by large numbers, the ever reliable motor vehicle.

 

[MikeK]

Actually, gun control works in other civilized countries. Maybe when we're civilized for real...

It worked really good in Sweden, which is now the rape capital of the world and soon will be an Islamic nation.

It worked fine in England, too, which has become infested with aggressive Muslims. The gun-crime rate in that country is rising rapidly, and knife crimes are now epidemic there.

And in spite of this you want to take the guns away from law-abiding Americans?

 

[2aguy]

A society that's actually civilized, has no problem with it's members possessing machine guns, rifles, shotguns, handguns, machetes, knives, etc...

Uncivilized societies--whose members are continuously on the brink of bloody savagery over the smallest of trivialities--are those that see civilian disarmament as a solution to mass murder in their streets.

Anti-rights advocates can now stop holding up these nations as civilized societies.

The consequences of gun control legislation are predictable; and have been predicted by the opponents of such legislation every time it's brought up. It is then fair to conclude that those consequences are the actual objective of such measures. Gun control works here... it works exactly as intended. I submit Columbine, Sandy Hook, Pulse, Parkland, etc. as evidence.

The targets of those atrocities were obeying the "common sense" gun laws governing the possession of such at those venues.

There is only one motive in the desire to see the targets of criminal violence undefended.

There is only one kind of person who desires to see the targets of criminal violence disarmed.

The people who desire to see the targets of criminal violence disarmed are the problem; they are the entire problem, and they are making their intentions clear.

Arrest them, prosecute them, and imprison them.. .and all the rest who would see the targets of their violence disarmed and undefended--and you'll see the end of these atrocities.

In one year, US - 9.369 murders with a gun (4th in the world), UK - 14.

Countries Compared by Crime > Murders with firearms. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

Rhetorical Tautology.

Everyone accepts that if there were no guns what-so-ever, there'd be no "gun-crime" what-so ever. Only disingenuous idiots attempt to use such tautologies as the foundation for their retarded arguments.

No one argues that there are few murders in the U.S.

No one argues that the murder rate is lowest in the U.S.

The point you're avoiding is that where prohibitionist gun control measure are instituted, those places see no enhanced reduction in violent crime (including murders) and often see an increase in violent crime (including murders.

US had 9,369 murders in one year. The UK had 14 in the same year. What don't you get?

No one makes the argument that there are fewer murders in the U.S. What don't you get?

"enhanced reduction"? You mean from 14? Seriously? And and increase to what? 17, that will make that stat look really bad? Try some honesty for a change.

Yes. Seriously. Murder rates rise and fall in response to a number of variables. What don't you get?

If the rate is rising, and some change is made, and there is no change in the rate of that rising, then it is fair to conclude that the change had no effect on the rate of change. What don't you get?

If the rate is falling, and some change is made, and there is no change in the rate of that falling, then it is fair to conclude that the change had no effect on the rate of change. What don't you get?

In the U.S., gun regulations are (overall) becoming less restrictive, and the rates of gun ownership along with gun sales are rising. In the U.S., the overall violent crime rate is falling. The overall murder rate is falling.

In the nations (as well as localities within the U.S.) where restrictive gun-control legislation has been introduced, the rates of violent crimes went unchanged, or in many cases actually increased... as if violent retards ignored such legislations and (in possession of guns or not) took advantage of the likelihood that their victims voluntarily disarmed themselves to comply with those restrictive gun-control laws.

All of this in direct contradiction to your bullshit paradigm.

What don't you get?

You can’t understand that gun control laws keep the rate low? Um...ok.

No...that isn't true. Criminals in Britain have guns...they have more guns than they did before the ban.....so you are wrong there. Then, since they have more guns in their hands but aren't using them to commit murder....it isn't the British gun control laws stopping them from pulling those triggers and aiming for a vital part of the body....

You know the truth of this, but you have to pretend to be dumb. I you don't pretend to be dumb, you have to accept the fact that British gun control laws are not keeping Brits safe.......and at anytime, the criminals can start to shoot to kill rather than to wound...

 

[2aguy]

Yes using absolute numbers to compare populations that vary greatly in size

Talk about disingenuous

So the UK is about 700 times smaller then the US? Or is it more?

The only honest way to compare to populations that differ in size is to use ratios not absolute numbers

UK = 65 million people, 14 gun murders.

US = 350 million people, 9,369 gun murders.

You do the math. I'll wait.

/——/ Now compare the rise in murders and assaults with knives you gun grabber

With the large influx of Muslims into London and the gun restrictions, the hospitals, per the doctors, are looking like war zones, with large numbers of stab wounds showing up. One weapon traded for another. Of course there's now the newer method of killing people by large numbers, the ever reliable motor vehicle.

Don't accept their premise....gun crime is going up in Britain...up 23% across England and Wales and up 42% in London.....their criminals have guns....

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.

Top trauma surgeon reveals shocking extent of London’s gun crime

A leading trauma surgeon has told how the number of patients treated for gunshot injuries at a major London hospital has doubled in the last five years.

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He said the hospital’s major trauma centre had seen a bigger rise in gunshot injuries compared to knife wounds and that the average age of victims was getting younger.

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Last year, gun crime offences in London increased for a third year running and by 42 per cent, from 1,793 offences in 2015/16 to 2,544 offences in 2016/17. Police have seized 635 guns off the streets so far this year.

Dr Griffiths, who also teaches medical students, said: “Our numbers of victims of gun injury have doubled [since 2012]. Gunshot injuries represent about 2.5 per cent of our penetrating trauma.

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Dr Griffiths said the average age of gun crime victims needing treatment at the hospital had decreased from 25 to the mid to late teens since 2012.

He added that medics at the Barts Health hospital’s major trauma centre in Whitechapel had seen a bigger rise in patients with gun injuries rather than knife wounds and that most were caused by pistols or shotguns.

Met Police commander Jim Stokley, who was also invited to speak at the meeting, said that handguns and shotguns were the weapons of choice and that 46 per cent of London’s gun crime discharges were gang-related.

He said: “We believe that a lot of it is associated with the drugs trade, and by that I mean people dealing drugs at street level and disagreements between different gangs.”

 

[2aguy]

A society that's actually civilized, has no problem with it's members possessing machine guns, rifles, shotguns, handguns, machetes, knives, etc...

Uncivilized societies--whose members are continuously on the brink of bloody savagery over the smallest of trivialities--are those that see civilian disarmament as a solution to mass murder in their streets.

Anti-rights advocates can now stop holding up these nations as civilized societies.

The consequences of gun control legislation are predictable; and have been predicted by the opponents of such legislation every time it's brought up. It is then fair to conclude that those consequences are the actual objective of such measures. Gun control works here... it works exactly as intended. I submit Columbine, Sandy Hook, Pulse, Parkland, etc. as evidence.

The targets of those atrocities were obeying the "common sense" gun laws governing the possession of such at those venues.

There is only one motive in the desire to see the targets of criminal violence undefended.

There is only one kind of person who desires to see the targets of criminal violence disarmed.

The people who desire to see the targets of criminal violence disarmed are the problem; they are the entire problem, and they are making their intentions clear.

Arrest them, prosecute them, and imprison them.. .and all the rest who would see the targets of their violence disarmed and undefended--and you'll see the end of these atrocities.

In one year, US - 9.369 murders with a gun (4th in the world), UK - 14.

Countries Compared by Crime > Murders with firearms. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

Rhetorical Tautology.

Everyone accepts that if there were no guns what-so-ever, there'd be no "gun-crime" what-so ever. Only disingenuous idiots attempt to use such tautologies as the foundation for their retarded arguments.

No one argues that there are few murders in the U.S.

No one argues that the murder rate is lowest in the U.S.

The point you're avoiding is that where prohibitionist gun control measure are instituted, those places see no enhanced reduction in violent crime (including murders) and often see an increase in violent crime (including murders.

US had 9,369 murders in one year. The UK had 14 in the same year. What don't you get?

No one makes the argument that there are fewer murders in the U.S. What don't you get?

"enhanced reduction"? You mean from 14? Seriously? And and increase to what? 17, that will make that stat look really bad? Try some honesty for a change.

Yes. Seriously. Murder rates rise and fall in response to a number of variables. What don't you get?

If the rate is rising, and some change is made, and there is no change in the rate of that rising, then it is fair to conclude that the change had no effect on the rate of change. What don't you get?

If the rate is falling, and some change is made, and there is no change in the rate of that falling, then it is fair to conclude that the change had no effect on the rate of change. What don't you get?

In the U.S., gun regulations are (overall) becoming less restrictive, and the rates of gun ownership along with gun sales are rising. In the U.S., the overall violent crime rate is falling. The overall murder rate is falling.

In the nations (as well as localities within the U.S.) where restrictive gun-control legislation has been introduced, the rates of violent crimes went unchanged, or in many cases actually increased... as if violent retards ignored such legislations and (in possession of guns or not) took advantage of the likelihood that their victims voluntarily disarmed themselves to comply with those restrictive gun-control laws.

All of this in direct contradiction to your bullshit paradigm.

What don't you get?

You can’t understand that gun control laws keep the rate low? Um...ok.

No, they don't.....

Please explain this....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

Yes....they want to ban guns and they want to end the 2nd Amendment...how do we know? They keep telling us they want to ban guns and end the 2nd Amendment....

5 Facts Proving "They Are Coming For Your Guns" Is Not A Conspiracy Theory

1. The mainstream media is openly calling for the repeal of the Second Amendment
It is no secret that every time there are reports of a mass shooting, there are a number of politicians who openly call for gun control, but there has recently been an increase in media outlets joining the anti-gun bandwagon. The Miami Herald published an Op-Ed titled, “Repeal The Second Amendment—It’s Not A Crazy Idea.” Rolling Stone published an explanation on “Why It’s Time To Repeal The Second Amendment.” And USA Today stated, “Repeal The Second Amendment. It’s The Only Way Towards Real Change.”

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2. Students are parroting the claims and using their platforms as victims of gun violence to push for a ban on guns
Parkland Shooting survivor David Hogg has become the face of the student activist movement against guns, and the demands are troubling. The students are openly supporting a ban on guns that have been deemed “assault rifles,” a ban on high-capacity magazines, a federal background check “on every gun sale,” increasing taxes on gun sales and raising the minimum age to own a gun to 21.

In a speech at a March For Our Lives rally, Stoneman Douglas student Delaney Tarr revealed that even if the students achieve individual bans, they will continue to push until the Second Amendment is fully dismantled. “We will take the big and we will take the small, but we will keep fighting. When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile. We are not here for breadcrumbs. We are here for real change,” she said.
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3. Law Enforcement officials are also calling for a ban on guns—which means they would be the only ones with guns
It is no secret that a ban on guns would result in law enforcement officers and criminals being the only individuals who have guns. Daryl Fisher, a candidate for Buncombe County Sheriff in North Carolina, recently addressed the issue of how police would confiscate the firearms, and when proposed with the quote “you’ll have to pry my guns from my cold, dead hands,” he shrugged his shoulders and said “OK!”

Gun toting expert shoots someone while dancing when his loaded gun fell.

This is why we need laws to keep; you asshole toters from putting people at risk every time you go out in public with a loaded gun.

We went from 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in the 1990s to over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense today....what happened to the gun accident rate...according to the CDC....

So...this shows you don't know what you are talking about.....

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leading_causes_death.html


2016 495
2015...489http://webappa.cdc.gov/cgi-bin/broker.exe

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

 

[2aguy]

Yes....they want to ban guns and they want to end the 2nd Amendment...how do we know? They keep telling us they want to ban guns and end the 2nd Amendment....

5 Facts Proving "They Are Coming For Your Guns" Is Not A Conspiracy Theory

1. The mainstream media is openly calling for the repeal of the Second Amendment
It is no secret that every time there are reports of a mass shooting, there are a number of politicians who openly call for gun control, but there has recently been an increase in media outlets joining the anti-gun bandwagon. The Miami Herald published an Op-Ed titled, “Repeal The Second Amendment—It’s Not A Crazy Idea.” Rolling Stone published an explanation on “Why It’s Time To Repeal The Second Amendment.” And USA Today stated, “Repeal The Second Amendment. It’s The Only Way Towards Real Change.”

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2. Students are parroting the claims and using their platforms as victims of gun violence to push for a ban on guns
Parkland Shooting survivor David Hogg has become the face of the student activist movement against guns, and the demands are troubling. The students are openly supporting a ban on guns that have been deemed “assault rifles,” a ban on high-capacity magazines, a federal background check “on every gun sale,” increasing taxes on gun sales and raising the minimum age to own a gun to 21.

In a speech at a March For Our Lives rally, Stoneman Douglas student Delaney Tarr revealed that even if the students achieve individual bans, they will continue to push until the Second Amendment is fully dismantled. “We will take the big and we will take the small, but we will keep fighting. When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile. We are not here for breadcrumbs. We are here for real change,” she said.
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3. Law Enforcement officials are also calling for a ban on guns—which means they would be the only ones with guns
It is no secret that a ban on guns would result in law enforcement officers and criminals being the only individuals who have guns. Daryl Fisher, a candidate for Buncombe County Sheriff in North Carolina, recently addressed the issue of how police would confiscate the firearms, and when proposed with the quote “you’ll have to pry my guns from my cold, dead hands,” he shrugged his shoulders and said “OK!”

Gun toting expert shoots someone while dancing when his loaded gun fell.

This is why we need laws to keep; you asshole toters from putting people at risk every time you go out in public with a loaded gun.

So you're goal is to live in an accident free world

Accident? Stupid maneuver that should never had happened. If that is all the safer you assholes can carry a gun, we should definately make it illegal.

That was a trained expert, just think what you untrained yahoos can do.

Again...you don't know what you are talking about.....

We went from 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in the 1990s to over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense today....what happened to the gun accident rate...according to the CDC....

So...this shows you don't know what you are talking about.....

https://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/leading_causes_death.html


2016 495
2015...489

2014.....486

2013 ..... 505
2012 ..... 548
2011 ..... 591
2010 ..... 606
2009 ..... 554
2008 ..... 592
2007..... 613
2006..... 642
2005 ..... 789
2004 ..... 649
2003 ..... 730
2002 ..... 762
2001 ..... 802
2000 ..... 776
1999 ..... 824

 

[Rustic]

A society that's actually civilized, has no problem with it's members possessing machine guns, rifles, shotguns, handguns, machetes, knives, etc...

Uncivilized societies--whose members are continuously on the brink of bloody savagery over the smallest of trivialities--are those that see civilian disarmament as a solution to mass murder in their streets.

Anti-rights advocates can now stop holding up these nations as civilized societies.

The consequences of gun control legislation are predictable; and have been predicted by the opponents of such legislation every time it's brought up. It is then fair to conclude that those consequences are the actual objective of such measures. Gun control works here... it works exactly as intended. I submit Columbine, Sandy Hook, Pulse, Parkland, etc. as evidence.

The targets of those atrocities were obeying the "common sense" gun laws governing the possession of such at those venues.

There is only one motive in the desire to see the targets of criminal violence undefended.

There is only one kind of person who desires to see the targets of criminal violence disarmed.

The people who desire to see the targets of criminal violence disarmed are the problem; they are the entire problem, and they are making their intentions clear.

Arrest them, prosecute them, and imprison them.. .and all the rest who would see the targets of their violence disarmed and undefended--and you'll see the end of these atrocities.

In one year, US - 9.369 murders with a gun (4th in the world), UK - 14.

Countries Compared by Crime > Murders with firearms. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

Rhetorical Tautology.

Everyone accepts that if there were no guns what-so-ever, there'd be no "gun-crime" what-so ever. Only disingenuous idiots attempt to use such tautologies as the foundation for their retarded arguments.

No one argues that there are few murders in the U.S.

No one argues that the murder rate is lowest in the U.S.

The point you're avoiding is that where prohibitionist gun control measure are instituted, those places see no enhanced reduction in violent crime (including murders) and often see an increase in violent crime (including murders.

US had 9,369 murders in one year. The UK had 14 in the same year. What don't you get?

No one makes the argument that there are fewer murders in the U.S. What don't you get?

"enhanced reduction"? You mean from 14? Seriously? And and increase to what? 17, that will make that stat look really bad? Try some honesty for a change.

Yes. Seriously. Murder rates rise and fall in response to a number of variables. What don't you get?

If the rate is rising, and some change is made, and there is no change in the rate of that rising, then it is fair to conclude that the change had no effect on the rate of change. What don't you get?

If the rate is falling, and some change is made, and there is no change in the rate of that falling, then it is fair to conclude that the change had no effect on the rate of change. What don't you get?

In the U.S., gun regulations are (overall) becoming less restrictive, and the rates of gun ownership along with gun sales are rising. In the U.S., the overall violent crime rate is falling. The overall murder rate is falling.

In the nations (as well as localities within the U.S.) where restrictive gun-control legislation has been introduced, the rates of violent crimes went unchanged, or in many cases actually increased... as if violent retards ignored such legislations and (in possession of guns or not) took advantage of the likelihood that their victims voluntarily disarmed themselves to comply with those restrictive gun-control laws.

All of this in direct contradiction to your bullshit paradigm.

What don't you get?

You can’t understand that gun control laws keep the rate low? Um...ok.

Well, they don’t Just look at St. Louis, Detroit and Chicago… Super strict gun control laws

 

[2aguy]

/-----/ These famous leaders agree with you 100%. What could possibly go wrong?
View attachment 197959

Actually, gun control works in other civilized countries. Maybe when we're civilized for real...

A society that's actually civilized, has no problem with it's members possessing machine guns, rifles, shotguns, handguns, machetes, knives, etc...

Uncivilized societies--whose members are continuously on the brink of bloody savagery over the smallest of trivialities--are those that see civilian disarmament as a solution to mass murder in their streets.

Anti-rights advocates can now stop holding up these nations as civilized societies.

The consequences of gun control legislation are predictable; and have been predicted by the opponents of such legislation every time it's brought up. It is then fair to conclude that those consequences are the actual objective of such measures. Gun control works here... it works exactly as intended. I submit Columbine, Sandy Hook, Pulse, Parkland, etc. as evidence.

The targets of those atrocities were obeying the "common sense" gun laws governing the possession of such at those venues.

There is only one motive in the desire to see the targets of criminal violence undefended.

There is only one kind of person who desires to see the targets of criminal violence disarmed.

The people who desire to see the targets of criminal violence disarmed are the problem; they are the entire problem, and they are making their intentions clear.

Arrest them, prosecute them, and imprison them.. .and all the rest who would see the targets of their violence disarmed and undefended--and you'll see the end of these atrocities.

In one year, US - 9.369 murders with a gun (4th in the world), UK - 14.

Countries Compared by Crime > Murders with firearms. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

Rhetorical Tautology.

Everyone accepts that if there were no guns what-so-ever, there'd be no "gun-crime" what-so ever. Only disingenuous idiots attempt to use such tautologies as the foundation for their retarded arguments.

No one argues that there are few murders in the U.S.

No one argues that the murder rate is lowest in the U.S.

The point you're avoiding is that where prohibitionist gun control measure are instituted, those places see no enhanced reduction in violent crime (including murders) and often see an increase in violent crime (including murders.

US had 9,369 murders in one year. The UK had 14 in the same year. What don't you get? "enhanced reduction"? You mean from 14? Seriously? And and increase to what? 17, that will make that stat look really bad? Try some honesty for a change.

Britain had a lower gun murder rate before they banned guns..... the gun murder rate went up, then returned to the same level....meaning, since you are slow.....that taking guns away from law abiding gun owners did not lower their gun murder rate....

Their gun crime rate has gone up....their violent crime rate is through the roof......so taking guns away from law abiding gun owners did create more victims of violent crime....that is what they achieved, and the gun murder rate will go up too......

Please explain the following.....


We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 17 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%

--gun crime down 75%

--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[2aguy]

In one year, US - 9.369 murders with a gun (4th in the world), UK - 14.

Countries Compared by Crime > Murders with firearms. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

Rhetorical Tautology.

Everyone accepts that if there were no guns what-so-ever, there'd be no "gun-crime" what-so ever. Only disingenuous idiots attempt to use such tautologies as the foundation for their retarded arguments.

No one argues that there are few murders in the U.S.

No one argues that the murder rate is lowest in the U.S.

The point you're avoiding is that where prohibitionist gun control measure are instituted, those places see no enhanced reduction in violent crime (including murders) and often see an increase in violent crime (including murders.

US had 9,369 murders in one year. The UK had 14 in the same year. What don't you get?

No one makes the argument that there are fewer murders in the U.S. What don't you get?

"enhanced reduction"? You mean from 14? Seriously? And and increase to what? 17, that will make that stat look really bad? Try some honesty for a change.

Yes. Seriously. Murder rates rise and fall in response to a number of variables. What don't you get?

If the rate is rising, and some change is made, and there is no change in the rate of that rising, then it is fair to conclude that the change had no effect on the rate of change. What don't you get?

If the rate is falling, and some change is made, and there is no change in the rate of that falling, then it is fair to conclude that the change had no effect on the rate of change. What don't you get?

In the U.S., gun regulations are (overall) becoming less restrictive, and the rates of gun ownership along with gun sales are rising. In the U.S., the overall violent crime rate is falling. The overall murder rate is falling.

In the nations (as well as localities within the U.S.) where restrictive gun-control legislation has been introduced, the rates of violent crimes went unchanged, or in many cases actually increased... as if violent retards ignored such legislations and (in possession of guns or not) took advantage of the likelihood that their victims voluntarily disarmed themselves to comply with those restrictive gun-control laws.

All of this in direct contradiction to your bullshit paradigm.

What don't you get?

You can’t understand that gun control laws keep the rate low? Um...ok.

Well, they don’t Just look at St. Louis, Detroit and Chicago… Super strict gun control laws

Yep...the problem isn't guns in those cities, the problem is the democrats who control both cities keep letting gun criminals out of jail...

 

[2aguy]

Then tell me why the murder rate in the UK today is not lower than it was before all their gun laws were passed

It's still very low, much lower than ours.

You didn't answer the question as usual

The UK gun laws did nothing to lower their murder rate

In one year, US - 9.369 murders with a gun (4th in the world), UK - 14. Now please, stfu.

Countries Compared by Crime > Murders with firearms. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

In red America firearm violence is basically nonexistent… The same cannot be said in blue America

You mean "blue America", where all the nlggers are?

No....where are all the democrats are.....this is from the Washington Post...Republicans don't shoot other people...democrats do....

Analysis | The surprising way gun violence is dividing America

In the most Democratic regions, gun violence is more often committed against another, crimes that probably generate more news coverage and fear. In the most Republican areas, it is more often committed against oneself, suicides that may not attract as much attention.

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As the below charts show, Democratic areas (measured by the party that controls the congressional district) are far more likely to experience almost all forms of malicious gun violence than Republican areas.

These charts exclude suicides, for which data are not available on a congressional district basis, so it only breaks down the fraction of gun violence that is accidental or confrontational.

 

[2aguy]

A society that's actually civilized, has no problem with it's members possessing machine guns, rifles, shotguns, handguns, machetes, knives, etc...

Uncivilized societies--whose members are continuously on the brink of bloody savagery over the smallest of trivialities--are those that see civilian disarmament as a solution to mass murder in their streets.

Anti-rights advocates can now stop holding up these nations as civilized societies.

The consequences of gun control legislation are predictable; and have been predicted by the opponents of such legislation every time it's brought up. It is then fair to conclude that those consequences are the actual objective of such measures. Gun control works here... it works exactly as intended. I submit Columbine, Sandy Hook, Pulse, Parkland, etc. as evidence.

The targets of those atrocities were obeying the "common sense" gun laws governing the possession of such at those venues.

There is only one motive in the desire to see the targets of criminal violence undefended.

There is only one kind of person who desires to see the targets of criminal violence disarmed.

The people who desire to see the targets of criminal violence disarmed are the problem; they are the entire problem, and they are making their intentions clear.

Arrest them, prosecute them, and imprison them.. .and all the rest who would see the targets of their violence disarmed and undefended--and you'll see the end of these atrocities.

In one year, US - 9.369 murders with a gun (4th in the world), UK - 14.

Countries Compared by Crime > Murders with firearms. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

Rhetorical Tautology.

Everyone accepts that if there were no guns what-so-ever, there'd be no "gun-crime" what-so ever. Only disingenuous idiots attempt to use such tautologies as the foundation for their retarded arguments.

No one argues that there are few murders in the U.S.

No one argues that the murder rate is lowest in the U.S.

The point you're avoiding is that where prohibitionist gun control measure are instituted, those places see no enhanced reduction in violent crime (including murders) and often see an increase in violent crime (including murders.

US had 9,369 murders in one year. The UK had 14 in the same year. What don't you get? "enhanced reduction"? You mean from 14? Seriously? And and increase to what? 17, that will make that stat look really bad? Try some honesty for a change.

Yes using absolute numbers to compare populations that vary greatly in size

Talk about disingenuous

So the UK is about 700 times smaller then the US? Or is it more?

It is more violent than the U.S. and the rest of Europe.....

 

[2aguy]

So the fuck what?

Murder is murder it doesn't matter if a gun was used or not

The UK gun laws did absofuckinglutely nothing to lower their murder rate

Why do you idiots think being murdered with a gun is worse than being murdered any one of a million other ways?

This is a gun thread, that's why we're talking about guns.

"The UK gun laws did absofuckinglutely nothing to lower their murder rate" You mean lower it from 14?

Actually this thread is about the desire to repeal the second amendment but I won't nit pick

So tell me did the murder rate in the UK decrease after all their gun laws were passed? Did the overall crime rate decrease?

The answer is no

And FYI our murder rate is virtually the same as it was in the 1950's

You mean decrease from 14 murders in one year? Really?

Yes

Your argument is that more gun laws reduce the murder and crime rates

The UK's murder rate is in fact higher than it was before all their gun laws were passed

You stuck that argument on me because it makes your bullshit stick better. If I've said anything, I've said that gun control works, just look at the UK with 14 per year, compared to the US, with 9,300+.

We have more knife murders than the entire murder rate of Britain, you doofus. Britain, so far, hasn't had a high murder rate....but that is changing. They had a 44% increase in murder in Britain....



London murder rates surged by 44 per cent last year and knife crime soared in capital, new figures show

There were sharp increases in the number of homicides, up 44 per cent,

 

[2aguy]

Not really... They just use other things to act out their violence.
And on top of that firearms still make their way into those countries even though you gun grabbers say that gun control will stop All gun violence...

I'd rather be attacked by anything other than a firearm. But hey, maybe that's just me.

No firearm will ever attack you don't you know that yet?

I'd rather have a firearm for protection against anyone attacking me with any weapon

I choose to live in a place where people don't go around shooting each other all the time. If I lived where you do, I'd likely pack as well, out of fear for my life. But like I said, I choose not to live in that kind of situation.

You don't know where I live.

FYI I live in a semi rural community where most everyone owns guns and the local murder and crime rates are virtually zero.

Now is it zero because piece of shit would be criminals know that most every homeowner has guns? I'm willing to say that is a factor.

I also live in a semi rural community where some people have hunting rifles, but nobody has a weapon because they are paranoid that they are living in a community that could be attacked at any moment. I bet you have more problems with drunk locals and their guns, lol. Good luck.

Yes....they want to ban guns and they want to end the 2nd Amendment...how do we know? They keep telling us they want to ban guns and end the 2nd Amendment....

5 Facts Proving "They Are Coming For Your Guns" Is Not A Conspiracy Theory

1. The mainstream media is openly calling for the repeal of the Second Amendment
It is no secret that every time there are reports of a mass shooting, there are a number of politicians who openly call for gun control, but there has recently been an increase in media outlets joining the anti-gun bandwagon. The Miami Herald published an Op-Ed titled, “Repeal The Second Amendment—It’s Not A Crazy Idea.” Rolling Stone published an explanation on “Why It’s Time To Repeal The Second Amendment.” And USA Today stated, “Repeal The Second Amendment. It’s The Only Way Towards Real Change.”

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2. Students are parroting the claims and using their platforms as victims of gun violence to push for a ban on guns
Parkland Shooting survivor David Hogg has become the face of the student activist movement against guns, and the demands are troubling. The students are openly supporting a ban on guns that have been deemed “assault rifles,” a ban on high-capacity magazines, a federal background check “on every gun sale,” increasing taxes on gun sales and raising the minimum age to own a gun to 21.

In a speech at a March For Our Lives rally, Stoneman Douglas student Delaney Tarr revealed that even if the students achieve individual bans, they will continue to push until the Second Amendment is fully dismantled. “We will take the big and we will take the small, but we will keep fighting. When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile. We are not here for breadcrumbs. We are here for real change,” she said.
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3. Law Enforcement officials are also calling for a ban on guns—which means they would be the only ones with guns
It is no secret that a ban on guns would result in law enforcement officers and criminals being the only individuals who have guns. Daryl Fisher, a candidate for Buncombe County Sheriff in North Carolina, recently addressed the issue of how police would confiscate the firearms, and when proposed with the quote “you’ll have to pry my guns from my cold, dead hands,” he shrugged his shoulders and said “OK!”

I sure hope you're locked and loaded with that much paranoia.

/-----/ These famous leaders agree with you 100%. What could possibly go wrong?
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Actually, gun control works in other civilized countries. Maybe when we're civilized for real...

No...actually, it doesn't. Like Britain....they banned and confiscated guns, and their gun crime rate is going up, not down, their violent crime rate is going up, not down...

More Americans now own and carry guns.....and our gun murder rate went down 49%, our gun crime rate went down 75%, our violent crime rate went down 72%....please explain how this happened...

Hate to tell you this very few Democrats are for gun control, only the crazies. Unfortunately the crazies from both side are all that is being heard now a days most people are more sane. Sane does not make for very good headlines unfortunately! If our elected officials are listening to the norms then our guns are safe, if they continue to pander to the nuts, I am still not worried. Most people will not turn in their guns even if the radicals continue to rule the day!

The leadership of the democrat party is for ending the 2nd Amendment..it doesn't matter what their minions want.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Yes....they want to ban guns and they want to end the 2nd Amendment...how do we know? They keep telling us they want to ban guns and end the 2nd Amendment....

5 Facts Proving "They Are Coming For Your Guns" Is Not A Conspiracy Theory

1. The mainstream media is openly calling for the repeal of the Second Amendment
It is no secret that every time there are reports of a mass shooting, there are a number of politicians who openly call for gun control, but there has recently been an increase in media outlets joining the anti-gun bandwagon. The Miami Herald published an Op-Ed titled, “Repeal The Second Amendment—It’s Not A Crazy Idea.” Rolling Stone published an explanation on “Why It’s Time To Repeal The Second Amendment.” And USA Today stated, “Repeal The Second Amendment. It’s The Only Way Towards Real Change.”

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2. Students are parroting the claims and using their platforms as victims of gun violence to push for a ban on guns
Parkland Shooting survivor David Hogg has become the face of the student activist movement against guns, and the demands are troubling. The students are openly supporting a ban on guns that have been deemed “assault rifles,” a ban on high-capacity magazines, a federal background check “on every gun sale,” increasing taxes on gun sales and raising the minimum age to own a gun to 21.

In a speech at a March For Our Lives rally, Stoneman Douglas student Delaney Tarr revealed that even if the students achieve individual bans, they will continue to push until the Second Amendment is fully dismantled. “We will take the big and we will take the small, but we will keep fighting. When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile. We are not here for breadcrumbs. We are here for real change,” she said.
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3. Law Enforcement officials are also calling for a ban on guns—which means they would be the only ones with guns
It is no secret that a ban on guns would result in law enforcement officers and criminals being the only individuals who have guns. Daryl Fisher, a candidate for Buncombe County Sheriff in North Carolina, recently addressed the issue of how police would confiscate the firearms, and when proposed with the quote “you’ll have to pry my guns from my cold, dead hands,” he shrugged his shoulders and said “OK!”

I sure hope you're locked and loaded with that much paranoia.

/-----/ These famous leaders agree with you 100%. What could possibly go wrong?
View attachment 197959

Actually, gun control works in other civilized countries. Maybe when we're civilized for real...

The 130 dead in Paris would disagree with you.

Compared to 100 every day in the US.

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[2aguy]

Yes....they want to ban guns and they want to end the 2nd Amendment...how do we know? They keep telling us they want to ban guns and end the 2nd Amendment....

5 Facts Proving "They Are Coming For Your Guns" Is Not A Conspiracy Theory

1. The mainstream media is openly calling for the repeal of the Second Amendment
It is no secret that every time there are reports of a mass shooting, there are a number of politicians who openly call for gun control, but there has recently been an increase in media outlets joining the anti-gun bandwagon. The Miami Herald published an Op-Ed titled, “Repeal The Second Amendment—It’s Not A Crazy Idea.” Rolling Stone published an explanation on “Why It’s Time To Repeal The Second Amendment.” And USA Today stated, “Repeal The Second Amendment. It’s The Only Way Towards Real Change.”

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2. Students are parroting the claims and using their platforms as victims of gun violence to push for a ban on guns
Parkland Shooting survivor David Hogg has become the face of the student activist movement against guns, and the demands are troubling. The students are openly supporting a ban on guns that have been deemed “assault rifles,” a ban on high-capacity magazines, a federal background check “on every gun sale,” increasing taxes on gun sales and raising the minimum age to own a gun to 21.

In a speech at a March For Our Lives rally, Stoneman Douglas student Delaney Tarr revealed that even if the students achieve individual bans, they will continue to push until the Second Amendment is fully dismantled. “We will take the big and we will take the small, but we will keep fighting. When they give us that inch, that bump stock ban, we will take a mile. We are not here for breadcrumbs. We are here for real change,” she said.
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3. Law Enforcement officials are also calling for a ban on guns—which means they would be the only ones with guns
It is no secret that a ban on guns would result in law enforcement officers and criminals being the only individuals who have guns. Daryl Fisher, a candidate for Buncombe County Sheriff in North Carolina, recently addressed the issue of how police would confiscate the firearms, and when proposed with the quote “you’ll have to pry my guns from my cold, dead hands,” he shrugged his shoulders and said “OK!”

I sure hope you're locked and loaded with that much paranoia.

/-----/ These famous leaders agree with you 100%. What could possibly go wrong?
View attachment 197959

Actually, gun control works in other civilized countries. Maybe when we're civilized for real...

Actually, it depends on how you look at it. If all you care about is gun deaths then yes, it works. But if you care about all deaths and violent crime, gun bans are a massive failure.

Gun bans stopped gun deaths and it worked, so what's the problem? Guns laws didn't stop car crashes as well so they must be no good?

If criminals in Britain have more guns, not less..... how is it that British gun control laws are keeping the gun murder rate low? Can you explain how that works?