40 years, a trillion dollars, zero results.

[JakeStarkey]

Stupidity is already legal. That's why you're allowed to post here.

You are not making a case, Rab. You are just yelling. Since we are not going to execute 99.9999% of drug criminals, and since the current prison and rehabilitation efforts are counterproductive, then the logical and productive path remains decriminalization, regulation, and taxation.

Why do you think that will not work?

The biggest argument against it is that you are propounding it. I call it the Jake Factor. It states that anything Jake Starkey is for must be bad.

You state decriminalization, regulation and taxation are the logical path. I ask, the logical path to what? If the goal is to produce a drug-addled society filled with people who are chemical dependent then you are right: that is the right way to go.
Cigarettes are heavily regulated, decriminalized (for now) and taxed. How much illegal trade is there in cigarettes? Tons, is the answer. How much underage smoking is there? Tons, is the answer. Who are the fastest growing number of smokers? Young people, is the answer.
Why do you suppose drugs, which are ten times easier to produce, will be different than cigarettes?

That's not your business what folks do like that, Rab. You have no moral say whatsoever. The fact is that the end of prohibition moved the rackets into drugs among other things. The racketeers, being good illegal capitalists, intergrated vertically and horizaontally, went global, and have been fighting turf wars ever since with tens of thousands of casualities every year.

Cigarette consumption has gone down steadily for decades. Bootleg in the stuff is a very minor problem, compared to illegal drugs. Drug production, subject to the competitive free market, will drop its costs dramatically.

Of course, it will work. What is funny is you posing as a big-time Democratic regulator.

 

[The Infidel]

Stupidity is already legal. That's why you're allowed to post here.

Weak

 

[tommywho70x]

Traitors? Who? You are the decider on this? Marijuana decriminalization has been advancing over the years. Blacks and whites can intermarry. We let sillies like Rabbi speak freely. Decriminalization, taxation, and regulation will happen. As it did for ending prohibition.

you want lists? should we start from dwight eisenhower's farewell address and work forward or shall we start with barak obama's inside group and work back

i've been on the front lines of the secret civil war for 47 years this november 22. when clinton and gore were bus storming around the country, they took a group of leading marijuana activists aside in wisconsin and begged them to support them for a first term and they would address the marijuana prohibition in their second term. it didn't happen.

and i reiterate, it's not going to so long as so much money is being made the way things are now.

 

[The Rabbi]

You are not making a case, Rab. You are just yelling. Since we are not going to execute 99.9999% of drug criminals, and since the current prison and rehabilitation efforts are counterproductive, then the logical and productive path remains decriminalization, regulation, and taxation.

Why do you think that will not work?

The biggest argument against it is that you are propounding it. I call it the Jake Factor. It states that anything Jake Starkey is for must be bad.

You state decriminalization, regulation and taxation are the logical path. I ask, the logical path to what? If the goal is to produce a drug-addled society filled with people who are chemical dependent then you are right: that is the right way to go.
Cigarettes are heavily regulated, decriminalized (for now) and taxed. How much illegal trade is there in cigarettes? Tons, is the answer. How much underage smoking is there? Tons, is the answer. Who are the fastest growing number of smokers? Young people, is the answer.
Why do you suppose drugs, which are ten times easier to produce, will be different than cigarettes?

That's not your business what folks do like that, Rab. You have no moral say whatsoever. The fact is that the end of prohibition moved the rackets into drugs among other things. The racketeers, being good illegal capitalists, intergrated vertically and horizaontally, went global, and have been fighting turf wars ever since with tens of thousands of casualities every year.

Cigarette consumption has gone down steadily for decades. Bootleg in the stuff is a very minor problem, compared to illegal drugs. Drug production, subject to the competitive free market, will drop its costs dramatically.

Of course, it will work. What is funny is you posing as a big-time Democratic regulator.

Of course I have a moral say. People's drug habits directly affect me as a member of this society. Your position is absurd.
You have failed to show why legalizing drugs will not make the problem worse.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Rabbi as a progressive, democratic, regulator, even socialist. What is the world coming to?

Rab, you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a guy.

You don't like drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, don't use them.

This is a moral problem in your head: lifestyle problem, yes; moral problem, only to you and wacks like you.

You are a waste as a conservative. Move on over to the reactionaries and end the suffering for all of us.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Traitors? Who? You are the decider on this? Marijuana decriminalization has been advancing over the years. Blacks and whites can intermarry. We let sillies like Rabbi speak freely. Decriminalization, taxation, and regulation will happen. As it did for ending prohibition.

you want lists? should we start from dwight eisenhower's farewell address and work forward or shall we start with barak obama's inside group and work back

i've been on the front lines of the secret civil war for 47 years this november 22. when clinton and gore were bus storming around the country, they took a group of leading marijuana activists aside in wisconsin and begged them to support them for a first term and they would address the marijuana prohibition in their second term. it didn't happen.

and i reiterate, it's not going to so long as so much money is being made the way things are now.

OK, you are one of the John Birch freaks along with a couple of others here. I understand.

 

[The Rabbi]

Rabbi as a progressive, democratic, regulator, even socialist. What is the world coming to?

Rab, you don't like gay marriage, don't marry a guy.

You don't like drugs, alcohol, cigarettes, don't use them.

This is a moral problem in your head: lifestyle problem, yes; moral problem, only to you and wacks like you.

You are a waste as a conservative. Move on over to the reactionaries and end the suffering for all of us.

Jake, if you can't defend your position, don't state one. Just say, "yeah, you're right. I don't know what I'm talking about. I just say what the voices tell me."
We'd all understand. It happens all the time.

 

[Flopper]

Oh Yes.

Definetely. I don't think to many people would want to deal in drugs if the death penalty was the punishment.

I think its Singapore that has this in effect in their country.
Guess what?? No drug dealers, buyers, no drugs period.

The well known fact that drugs can kill you doesn't seem to deter the addicts, nor does the prospect of being killed by rivals deter the dealers. Draconian punishments have been tried in the past. They don't work.

What we need is a more rational drug policy, starting with legalization of non addictive substances like pot, and following by treating addiction as a medical problem, not a legal one.

But, as has already been pointed out, a lot of people make a lot of money from the drug wars. It's the money that makes it difficult to stop.

Nope.
China had a terrible opium problem from the 19th century until the communist revolution. Now they don't. What happened? They instituted what I posted above.
Yup, it works.

I think you are a bit behind the times. China has growing drug problem.
TIMEasia.com: Chinese Junk

 

[The Rabbi]

The well known fact that drugs can kill you doesn't seem to deter the addicts, nor does the prospect of being killed by rivals deter the dealers. Draconian punishments have been tried in the past. They don't work.

What we need is a more rational drug policy, starting with legalization of non addictive substances like pot, and following by treating addiction as a medical problem, not a legal one.

But, as has already been pointed out, a lot of people make a lot of money from the drug wars. It's the money that makes it difficult to stop.

Nope.
China had a terrible opium problem from the 19th century until the communist revolution. Now they don't. What happened? They instituted what I posted above.
Yup, it works.

I think you are a bit behind the times. China has growing drug problem.
TIMEasia.com: Chinese Junk

that's bad but doesn't negate anything I've written. Thanks.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have not written anything worthwhile thinking about, flabbiRabbi, that's the point.

You howl how conservative you are, then you want to be a socialist regulator! Holy Moly!!

 

[The Rabbi]

You have not written anything worthwhile thinking about, flabbiRabbi, that's the point.

You howl how conservative you are, then you want to be a socialist regulator! Holy Moly!!

Jake, Jake. You've got to do something about that uncontrollable flatulence seeping from your keyboard. It's making you look even stupider than you already do.

 

[JWBooth]

Nope.
China had a terrible opium problem from the 19th century until the communist revolution. Now they don't. What happened? They instituted what I posted above.
Yup, it works.

I think you are a bit behind the times. China has growing drug problem.
TIMEasia.com: Chinese Junk

that's bad but doesn't negate anything I've written. Thanks.

Everything you've written indicates an admiration for a totalitarian, Chinese Communist state as a tool to impose your viewpoint on the rest of society.

 

[The Rabbi]

I think you are a bit behind the times. China has growing drug problem.
TIMEasia.com: Chinese Junk

that's bad but doesn't negate anything I've written. Thanks.

Everything you've written indicates an admiration for a totalitarian, Chinese Communist state as a tool to impose your viewpoint on the rest of society.

Well,no it doesn't. That's your fantasy and you're welcome to it.

 

[fyrenza]

What exactly are the goals? I don't know what they are.

And does this mean we should stop fighting it or that the tactics our leaders have been taking really suck no matter what party they are in?

That's just IT, isn't it?

THE PEOPLE have spoken, and WE don't have a problem with street drugz,

but WE ARE, once again, IGNORED.

And OUR MONEY is used to make our friend's lives into living hells, all over an 0 or a plant, or whatever.

The hard drug users? GIVE IT TO THEM, for FREE! Let them dream their lives away, if that's what they want to do, or OD, if they want to escape that desperately.

I personally have NO PROBLEM with any of the naturals ~ marijuana, magic mushrooms, opium ~ 'cuz God GAVE them to us, and they DO have medicinal value!

Some of the concocted ones, I'm leery of, but that's just my feelings. Oh. And before you tsk-tsk me, I was a coke freak that ended up mainlining the shit, until

well, it was God. He just took the need/hunger away from me, and I never touched the stuff, again. And, yes. It was WEIRD, even to me! But if He wants you? He'll have you, AS He wants you.

On the upside, He evidently doesn't mind herb, 'cuz I'm still huffing and puffing!

 

[JWBooth]

that's bad but doesn't negate anything I've written. Thanks.

Everything you've written indicates an admiration for a totalitarian, Chinese Communist state as a tool to impose your viewpoint on the rest of society.

Well,no it doesn't. That's your fantasy and you're welcome to it.

Prior to the revolution they had a drug problem that undermined their society and rendered their leadership at all levels inept walking zombies. This is what is being proposed for this country.
The Communists came in and solved that problem. Now China is a world leader in their economy and a budding super-power.
Is that enough for you?

Nope.
China had a terrible opium problem from the 19th century until the communist revolution. Now they don't. What happened? They instituted what I posted above.
Yup, it works.

First conviction=rehab
Second conviction=death penalty.
Problems solved.

Any questions?

Whatever floats your boat.

 

[vickylee]

I can't believe that.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You have not written anything worthwhile thinking about, flabbiRabbi, that's the point.

You howl how conservative you are, then you want to be a socialist regulator! Holy Moly!!

Jake, Jake. You've got to do something about that uncontrollable flatulence seeping from your keyboard. It's making you look even stupider than you already do.

Rab, you want to regulate the issue, thus you are a progressive, thus you are a socialist. You certainly not a conservative.

 

[The Rabbi]

You have not written anything worthwhile thinking about, flabbiRabbi, that's the point.

You howl how conservative you are, then you want to be a socialist regulator! Holy Moly!!

Jake, Jake. You've got to do something about that uncontrollable flatulence seeping from your keyboard. It's making you look even stupider than you already do.

Rab, you want to regulate the issue, thus you are a progressive, thus you are a socialist. You certainly not a conservative.

No, I am not a Libertarian. You're right, I'm not.
Now, how about defending your assertion that decriminalizing and taxes drugs will solve the problem?

 

[sweetie]

...lol! at stooopid fuck rabbi..

...he and his stinking motherfucking conservative republicans favor huge government subsidie$ for 'corporation$' which peddle thousands of man-made drugs (many of them a secret)...while he screams for execution of anyone growing and using a few of god's seedbearing plants!..

...you drug warriors are surely some miserable, stooooooooooooooooopid fucks!..

...the rest of you, have a good day!..

 

[The Rabbi]

...lol! at stooopid fuck rabbi..

...he and his stinking motherfucking conservative republicans favor huge government subsidie$ for 'corporation$' which peddle thousands of man-made drugs (many of them a secret)...while he screams for execution of anyone growing and using a few of god's seedbearing plants!..

...you drug warriors are surely some miserable, stooooooooooooooooopid fucks!..

...the rest of you, have a good day!..

"Sweetie", I'm sure you're a nice person in real life and all that. But you're just too darn stupid and foul mouthed to engage in serious debate.
Bye bye.