3 Conservative Lies About Obama's Record Debunked in One Post

[TakeAStepBack]

Anyone can pick and choose data that says what they want it to say, whala a chart comes into existence that even matches the data. Neat little thing data is.

Well, yeah. the original OP chart is void of federal employees vs. private employees. I wonder why that is? Could it be because the federal government employs more people than the private sector, which would make the entire argument that Obama has not increased the size of government void and therefore a lie?

That's what i see here. The federal govt. has steadily grown while the states/locals are forced the slash spending due to budget shortfalls.

That graph was the only one I could find on it because it seems people want to talk about the pay between private/public more than the figures on how many people the federal govt. employs. Which by the way, is sad. [B]The federal workers make almost double that of the private workers that pay the public workers salaries[/B]. That's not sustainable. Especially if federal payroll head counts continue to increase.

Hahahaha.....um no I don't think it is.

Federal Eye - How many federal workers are there?

"federal workers earn less, an average of 26 percent less, then private-sector employees in similar positions"

The Facts

Now we have someone else that wants to change the topic. Here, this is where I saw what i said.

Federal workers earning double their private counterparts - USATODAY.com

Working in America: Public vs. Private Sector - ABC News

Average Annual Wage
Federal Govt. Workers $67,756
State Police $61,000
Local Firefighters $60,572
State Govt. Workers $48,742
State Legislative Workers $48,129
Government (all types) $47,552
Private (total sector) $45,155
Local Govt. Workers $43,140
Local Schools $41,113

Average Annual Wage
Private Sector CPA $71,216
Federal Govt. CPA $67,531
Local Govt. CPA $64,050

SOURCE: BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, 2009

 

[TakeAStepBack]

More than half? No i clearly shouldn't take things from a chart glance while searching for other information. But it is pretty clear based on the BLS that govt. jobs pay more on average.

 

[BDBoop]

There's posters breaking them down right now, the last thing I expect is Conservaderrps to come here and provide a constructive rebuttal. He's already proven in other threads he prefers the poo flinging.

You don't actually think there's a man who sat at his computer, created a screen name Conservaderrps, then started posting with the desire to have constructive dialogues about issues with people of different viewpoints did you?

I see him pushing back on a daily basis at the vast array of poo flingers on the right.

I bet you see flying unicorns pissing glitter too.

No, that's just YOUR most peculiar hallucination.

I think it means you're gay.

 

[Papageorgio]

I see him pushing back on a daily basis at the vast array of poo flingers on the right.

I bet you see flying unicorns pissing glitter too.

No, that's just YOUR most peculiar hallucination.

I think it means you're gay.

What's wrong with being gay?

 

[The T]

More than half? No i clearly shouldn't take things from a chart glance while searching for other information. But it is pretty clear based on the BLS that govt. jobs pay more on average.

At times double Civilian counterparts and UNION to boot.

 

[BlindBoo]

Obama creates nothing....except uncertainty.

The private sector creates the jobs when they feel they can create them and not be regulated into bankruptcy (or that whole markets will be killed by some asshole in D.C.).

Claiming any president creates them is stupid.

What a president can do is work with congress to clear the field of the mines that stop job growth.

Obama has been putting mines in the field for three years...but some markets are so strong...jobs are still being created. You can only hold back the private sector so long.

Obama is trying his hardest...and not being totally successful.

When there is a demand the jobs are created.

Many high ranking Republicans made their "top political priority" pretty clear. So, they've been doing their own mining the field as well.

 

[mudwhistle]

More than half? No i clearly shouldn't take things from a chart glance while searching for other information. But it is pretty clear based on the BLS that govt. jobs pay more on average.

Well, we haven't had a friggen pay increase since Obama took office so maybe the public-sector can catch up.

Course I wouldn't hold my breath, not with Mr. Spread The Wealth in office.

 

[BDBoop]

I bet you see flying unicorns pissing glitter too.

No, that's just YOUR most peculiar hallucination.

I think it means you're gay.

What's wrong with being gay?

Nothing. I was making a lame attempt to give him shit.

 

[ConservaDerrps]

Did Public Sector jobs go up or down, as a whole, under Obama?

How many times are you going to ask this?

They went up in the context of Obama. Federal jobs, which were omitted in your chart, went up steadily. State adn local cuts are not something Obama gets credit for anyway, but even if he could honestly claim credit, if you lump together the whole, it went up.

I'll ask as many times as it takes for you to give the factually correct, data-proven answer and one where you don't get to cherry pick the data to show the answer you WANT to be true.

Did Public Sector Jobs go up or down under Obama?

 

[BlindBoo]

Everyone knows that liberals are obsessed with sex, pornography, deviancy, nakedness, heathen rituals, movies that involve gladiators, and other disgusting non-Christian things. Conservatives, on the other hand, are righteous and rational.

Never has this been more obvious than in the latest set of so-called “graphs” of so-called “data” from the Treasury Department. In a desperate attempt to make people think that the economy is getting better, when obviously it is not, liberals have resorted to playing on the most base of human drives: LUST.

Look at those graphs! LOOK AT THEM!

Look HARDER!

Do you see it? Do you see how the liberals are trying to make you subliminally feel better about the economy? Do you see how they are playing on disgusting, anti-Christian, anti-social perversion in a desperate ploy to make you feel happy about the way things are going?

OK, if you can’t see it, maybe this will help:

Liberal Bias - "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

 

[TakeAStepBack]

They went up. Federal employment steadily has risen since Obama took office. It's just not in your chart, derp. You handily omitted it.

 

[Dr.House]

Did Public Sector jobs go up or down, as a whole, under Obama?

How many times are you going to ask this?

They went up in the context of Obama. Federal jobs, which were omitted in your chart, went up steadily. State adn local cuts are not something Obama gets credit for anyway, but even if he could honestly claim credit, if you lump together the whole, it went up.

I'll ask as many times as it takes for you to give the factually correct, data-proven answer and one where you don't get to cherry pick the data to show the answer you WANT to be true.

Did Public Sector Jobs go up or down under Obama?

Why is it ok for you to cherry pick your charts, Jimmy?

Fuck off...

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Everyone knows that liberals are obsessed with sex, pornography, deviancy, nakedness, heathen rituals, movies that involve gladiators, and other disgusting non-Christian things. Conservatives, on the other hand, are righteous and rational.

Never has this been more obvious than in the latest set of so-called “graphs” of so-called “data” from the Treasury Department. In a desperate attempt to make people think that the economy is getting better, when obviously it is not, liberals have resorted to playing on the most base of human drives: LUST.

Look at those graphs! LOOK AT THEM!

Look HARDER!

Do you see it? Do you see how the liberals are trying to make you subliminally feel better about the economy? Do you see how they are playing on disgusting, anti-Christian, anti-social perversion in a desperate ploy to make you feel happy about the way things are going?

OK, if you can’t see it, maybe this will help:

Liberal Bias - "Reality has a well-known liberal bias."

It seems to me the ploy is to make Obama look good by giving him credit for things that he didn't do, can not control or a combination of the two pretzeled together while omiting key data points.

 

[mudwhistle]

Did Public Sector jobs go up or down, as a whole, under Obama?

How many times are you going to ask this?

They went up in the context of Obama. Federal jobs, which were omitted in your chart, went up steadily. State adn local cuts are not something Obama gets credit for anyway, but even if he could honestly claim credit, if you lump together the whole, it went up.

I'll ask as many times as it takes for you to give the factually correct, data-proven answer and one where you don't get to cherry pick the data to show the answer you WANT to be true.

Did Public Sector Jobs go up or down under Obama?

Down. 1.2 million fewer jobs.

The only reason unempoyment isn't over 10% is they only count those actively looking for work. Another factor is underemployment which they don't like to even mention.

And let's not forget about the huge drop in our spending power due to inflation. Hidden costs thrown into the price of fast-food by the FDA.

The worker participation rate is 63%......down from the Bush years.

 

[DiamondDave]

Did Public Sector jobs go up or down, as a whole, under Obama?

How many times are you going to ask this?

They went up in the context of Obama. Federal jobs, which were omitted in your chart, went up steadily. State adn local cuts are not something Obama gets credit for anyway, but even if he could honestly claim credit, if you lump together the whole, it went up.

I'll ask as many times as it takes for you to give the factually correct, data-proven answer and one where you don't get to cherry pick the data to show the answer you WANT to be true.

Did Public Sector Jobs go up or down under Obama?

Is Obama or the fed responsible for the hiring and firings in local and/or state government??

Are their policies responsible for the hiring and firing of public jobs at the state and/or local level??

Or are you saying that Obama is responsible for all aspects, results, and details under him in all levels of government (even outside of the fed)? (I think that you better think HARD on how you answer this one)

 

[Papageorgio]

Did Public Sector jobs go up or down, as a whole, under Obama?

How many times are you going to ask this?

They went up in the context of Obama. Federal jobs, which were omitted in your chart, went up steadily. State adn local cuts are not something Obama gets credit for anyway, but even if he could honestly claim credit, if you lump together the whole, it went up.

I'll ask as many times as it takes for you to give the factually correct, data-proven answer and one where you don't get to cherry pick the data to show the answer you WANT to be true.

Did Public Sector Jobs go up or down under Obama?

I stated earlier,

State and local went down due to a loss in revenue, because they can't tax and get money when employment is so high, the states can't work on a deficit.

Federal jobs increased because the federal government can run at deficit and they created jobs through stimulus money and we have yet to collect the taxes for them and the federal government is expedient and does mind letting the next few generations pay for their incompetence.

So in summary under Obama, the public jobs went down, and Bill Terry was killed, does Obama want credit for all of it?

According to your logic, when do we arrest Obama for the murder of Bill Terry?

 

[BlindBoo]

Well, yeah. the original OP chart is void of federal employees vs. private employees. I wonder why that is? Could it be because the federal government employs more people than the private sector, which would make the entire argument that Obama has not increased the size of government void and therefore a lie?

That's what i see here. The federal govt. has steadily grown while the states/locals are forced the slash spending due to budget shortfalls.

That graph was the only one I could find on it because it seems people want to talk about the pay between private/public more than the figures on how many people the federal govt. employs. Which by the way, is sad. [B]The federal workers make almost double that of the private workers that pay the public workers salaries[/B]. That's not sustainable. Especially if federal payroll head counts continue to increase.

Hahahaha.....um no I don't think it is.

Federal Eye - How many federal workers are there?

"federal workers earn less, an average of 26 percent less, then private-sector employees in similar positions"

The Facts

Now we have someone else that wants to change the topic. Here, this is where I saw what i said.

Federal workers earning double their private counterparts - USATODAY.com

Working in America: Public vs. Private Sector - ABC News

Average Annual Wage
Federal Govt. Workers $67,756
State Police $61,000
Local Firefighters $60,572
State Govt. Workers $48,742
State Legislative Workers $48,129
Government (all types) $47,552
Private (total sector) $45,155
Local Govt. Workers $43,140
Local Schools $41,113

Average Annual Wage
Private Sector CPA $71,216
Federal Govt. CPA $67,531
Local Govt. CPA $64,050

SOURCE: BUREAU OF LABOR STATISTICS, 2009

You typed "federal government employs more people than the private sector" and "The federal workers make almost double that of the private workers that pay the public workers salaries"

It doesn't and they don't.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

No, i said "could it be that the federal govt. employs more" in response to the missing federal worker data plot. Sure, my wording could have been better, i thought the point was received.

As it turns out, the federal govt. does not employ more people than the private sector, but on average, those public workers do earn more than their private counterparts. AND the federal government has steadily grown its headcount. Contrary to the OP.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Here's a graph for the derp.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

But it's fun splitting hairs with you, BlinBoo.

Jeebus.