Is it a tax or is it a penalty?

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Is it a tax or is it a penalty?

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  1. M14 Shooter
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    Under Obamacare, if you do not carry health insirance by a certain date, you will have to pay a % of your income to the Federal government.

    The Suprme Court and the Solicitor General call this a tax:
    Health reform: New taxes, fees and penalties - Jun. 28, 2012
    Solicitor General Called Mandate a Tax - By Noah Glyn - The Corner - National Review Online

    The Obama's administration calls this a penalty:
    Obama camp: Mandate a penalty, not a tax - Washington Times

    With whom do you agree, and why?
    How is the other party wrong?
    Do you understand that there is a difference and why that difference matters?
     
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    The Supremes made the call on this difficult issue.

    ObamaTax is a revenue matter, and the Congress can deal with it accordingly with simple majorities.
     
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    It's a tax with a fluffy penalty nougat center.
     
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    Don't care. It's aimed at freeloaders that can afford insurance, but choose instead to depend on the rest of us to pay their bills. We hear all the time about how poor people are draining us dry. Why should those that aren't be getting a pass?
     
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    What is a penality but a TAX...and what is a TAX? A portion of your earned property to run government. Legalized theft within reason.

    What is a Stinkhorn fungus that is called a rose?
     
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    You manage the exceptions, not permit the exceptions to manage you.
     
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    Unless you're Mittens, and Massachusetts is in play.

    From the link posted above.
     
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    It's a tax penalty. Similar to the ones I currently pay for not being married and not having children.
     
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    . . . Apparently believing that Congress couldn't possibly be trusted to ue the term they felt most appropriate. And possibly believing tht Congress should not be trusted with sharp objects.

    Not tht the SCOTUS is necessarily wrong in either assumption, but that still doesn't make it proper for the SCOTUS to legislate from the bench, as they did.

    They can. They will. ObamaCare is dead. ObamaTax will get repealed.

    I have a related question.

    If ObamaTax is just a tax (whereby the put a tax on the economic choice not to buy a product or service), and the SCOTUS says it was a valid use of the government's taxing authority, then what matters of purely social/political concern can Congress not address via the tax authority?

    In the olden days, wasn't the taxing authority merely another way of saying that Congress can raise revenues? At what point did that get morphed to assert that Congress may use the raising of revenues as a tool to address other political issues?

    And if they can permissibly do that, then in what way is it limited? Do the precepts of our Constitutional Republic still constrain the Federal Government to its enumerated powers and limited authority?

    Or is the taxing authority a new trump card that makes the reach of Congress something that cannot be limited anymore?
     

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