2nd Amendment protection added to Health Care ???

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    O.K this is bizarre, the Democrats have allowed language in the Health Care bill to protect 2nd amendment rights. It seems to me the Democrats are really going for the hail marry on this one. The language added appears to protect people from being required to report firearm ownership and collections and ammo being stored. The only reason I can think of for this is to ensure that some left winger won't get a sneaky idea here soon to make it mandatory for you to list firearms owned in order to obtain medical services. Or to be required to list permits obtained on medical disclosures. I guess it's a good safety net but if we have some republicans (I'm assuming) having foresight to have this added, then what do they have in store for us in the near future. We better be watching like a hawk.

    Is this really still our Country?: 2nd Amendment protection added to Health Care ???
     
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    Hail marry?

    In any case:

    http://www.politico.com/static/PPM145_chris.html


    1. No database created by this bill can be used to collect or maintain records of legally owned/stored firearms or ammunition.

    2. In addition, health insurance coverage cannot be denied, premiums cannot be increased, and discounts cannot be withheld or reduced based upon gun ownership and use.


    I recall the right being pretty damned paranoid about this. So Reid puts this guarantee into the amendment to specifically address their concerns... and what happens? It makes them even more paranoid :lol:
     
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    the current gop is the cancer killing intelligent debate and progression of the country
     
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    PolitiFact | Gun-rights group says health care bill could harm gun owners

    [from one of that group's emails]

    Why should gun owners care that this "research result" will show such an impact on health care costs?

    Underwriting.

    Insurance premiums are calculated, in part, based upon your risk group. If you smoke, your premiums are higher and/or it is harder to get coverage. Why? Cigarette smoking demonstrably increases your health care costs over the long term. Have diabetes? Ditto. High blood pressure and cholesterol? Get out your wallet.

    So now, armed with a "study" showing that the presence of a gun greatly increases health care costs, gun owners are now considered a high risk group and the insurance companies have Science! to back up that claim. "Owning a gun is no different than having cancer..." "No sir, we aren't violating your civil rights. You may still own whatever guns you wish, you just are going to pay at-risk rates rather than preferred rates."

    Here is a preview of the new health insurance application forms:

    Name, address, age, gender, height, weight, prior medical conditions, do you smoke, do you own guns, if so how many and what kind....
     
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    Actually the intent is to force Republicans to vote for the Health Insurance Destruction Bill. Any Republican with the gall to vote no will be exposed as being Anti-gun rights and accused of wanting to circumvent the 2nd Amendment... in other words, the tactic is deceitful politics at its finest.

    I pray the Republicans don't cave in that easily.

    Immie
     
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    They are certainly the most paranoid people on the face of the planet...
     
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    I think much of it has to do with ignorance & fear of the unknown. they are scared that their children might have to learn science and non-violent solutions to problems. they are also worried that their kids might reach the liberal internet and gain access to ideas not specifically sanctioned by the town pastor and fox news.
     
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    C'mon. Seriously. The gun lobby raises hell about this non-existent 'threat'... so it's addressed in the manager's amendment and now it's "deceit"? Considering this was included as a compromise with and for the Republicans, does that mean they want to out their own as anti-gun?


    Why should he even bothered? Damned if he did, damned if he didn't.
     
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    It's not like the left wingers are not after all guns. Give them a second and gun grabbing will be the next big thing.
     

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