222 Obamacare Waivers

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    So... what's the deal.. ?

    According to Neal Cavutto.. Fox News.. 222 companies have received waivers from Obamacare, including unions. Hey, weren't the unions the ones telling us that Obamacare was such a great deal?..

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    Union bosses fought tooth and nail to nationalize America’s health care—even, in many cases, to the detriment of their own members. Now, instead of chewing on and swallowing what they bit off, unions are getting waivers to the very plan that they shoved down everyone else’s throat.

    1. Service Employees Benefit Fund
    2. UFCW Allied Trade Health & Welfare Trust
    3. IBEW No.915
    4. Asbestos Workers Local 53 Welfare Fund
    5. Plumbers & Pipefitters Local 123 Welfare Fund
    6. UFCW Local 227
    7. UFCW Maximus Local 455
    8. Local 25 SEIU
    9. UFCW Local 1262
    10. Local 802 Musicians Health Fund
    11. Greater Metropolitan Hotel
    12. Local 17 Hospitality Benefit Fund
    13. I.U.P.A.T.
    14. Transport Workers
    15. UFT Welfare Fund
    16. UABT

    ObamaCare: Union Waiver Favors Pile Up | LaborUnionReport.com
     
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    Wow! That's double the total at the beginning of November!
     
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    WOW! That is incredible, now that politicians have passed it and we are starting to know what's in it.....I guess it really isn't shangri-la like it was packaged to be.
    Unions, huh? Go figure.
     
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    Yup.. sure looking like another farce to screw average Americans...

    Golly.. screwing the "Middle Class" by the Democrats.. could it be?
     
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    I predict this will be one thread that will be completely avoided by liberals who support Obama and the HCR
     
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    Yup.. poor suckers, all that egg on their faces..:lol:
     
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    Repeal it and put the damn abomination out of it's misery and ours. What a joke.
     
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    No doubt, it's crumbling...:lol:
     
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    Well this is going to sound funny...but anyway...all kidding aside - it is a joke.
    And the reason this isn't being discussed by all of America?
    Just example #10,000,000 of liberal bias in the media.
    Just imagine if Pres. Bush would have passed some massive bill, let's say a bill that completely overhauls food safety and he himself signs waivers for 3-4 large companies. It would be on the front page everywhere - it would be item one thru 10 on Olbermanns countdown and Chris Matthews would be ballistic.
    But what about this?? The very people who lined up and passed this bill stand in another line to sign waivers for their largest campaign donors.
    There cannot be a better example of corruption.
     
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    I can't stress enough the importance of learning to use real news sources. What are these waivers waiving? Why do they exist? Nowhere in your "source" will you find that information, which is presumably why you think they're waivers from "ObamaCare" (i.e. the entire law).

    These are annual limit waivers. At present, the majority of health plans don't have annual limits in place, but a fraction of health plans do (HHS puts the numbers at 8 percent of large employer plans, 14 percent of small employer plans, and 19 percent of individual market plans). The reform law enacts a policy with bipartisan support: the elimination of annual limits in health plans (phased in over a three year period). I say it has bipartisan support 1) because it does, and 2) because virtually the exact same proposal appears in the Republican repeal-and-replace bill. The Republican proposal is actually slightly more aggressive than the Democrats' because it takes effect immediately, whereas the Dem policy has that multi-year phase-in.

    So why are there waivers? Primarily it's because the entire law has a multi-year phase-in. The guidance for seeking an annual limit waiver says plans can get a waiver if compliance will cause "significant decrease in access to benefits" or a "significant increase in premiums." This is significant now because the alternatives to low-benefit/low payout plans don't yet exist (health insurance exchanges are still a few years away), though they will. So OCIIO released additional guidance to lay out some of the key factors they'll be considering in determining if an application meets the criteria just mentioned:

    There is disagreement as to whether these waivers should be issued; certain prominent Congressional Democrats are arguing that mini-med (i.e. extremely limited) plans should not receive this short-term exemption from the annual limit waivers because, in their view, those plans are worse than having no plan at all. The administration obviously disagrees.

    Do you guys ever cut that shit out? The elimination of annual limits isn't some secret provision. Remember when the President appeared before a joint session of Congress in September of 2009 to talk about the health care bills? You know, that speech where he said:

    The Democrats sure pulled a fast one, laying out this provision in a prime time, nationally televised speech. Get a grip, would you?
     
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