210th Anniversary of the Louisiana Purchase

[longknife]

Where would the USA be now if President Jefferson hadn't paid $15 million to France?

 

[Oldguy]

Well...for one thing, George Bush wouldn't have had to endure all the bad press over hurricane Katrina. That would have been Jacques Chirac's problem! LOL

 

[martybegan]

Where would the USA be now if President Jefferson hadn't paid $15 million to France?

Stupid Frenchies.

 

[OohPooPahDoo]

Well...for one thing, George Bush wouldn't have had to endure all the bad press over hurricane Katrina. That would have been Jacques Chirac's problem! LOL

The government of almost any industrialized nation would have done a better job.

 

[Oldguy]

Seriously, the effects of the Louisiana Purchase are still being felt today. Right now, Texas and Oklahoma are battling before the Supreme Court over water rights to the Red River, the boundary between the two states. The Red was also the boundary between New France and New Spain when we bought out New France and the subsequent court decisions establishing the official boundary as the vegetation line on the Texas side of the river is very much a part of the current issue. The past visits the present.

Without the Louisiana Purchase, there's a good chance that the United States today would be a second-rank nation which ends at the Mississippi River, if it survived at all.

 

[konradv]

According to the treaty with Spain that returned Louisiana to France, they were not to sell it to a third party. Spain protested the sale, but was too weak to do anything about it.

Louisiana Purchase - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mr. H.]

Today, $15 million will get you about 2,000 acres of decent farm ground.
If you're lucky.

 

[editec]

Where would the USA be now if President Jefferson hadn't paid $15 million to France?

He didn't PAY for it, LK.

The USA borrowed the money from the Netherlands to buy it.

Something that Jefferson truly hated (public debt) he signed onto because Galatin (his Treasury maven) convinced him made good sense.

And had Hamilton not won the debate about the NATIONAL BANK (that Tommy also hated) just a few years before that date?

We could not have borrowed the money to buy that land.

History, its WAY more complex than most of us were told.

 

[editec]

America owes a serious debt tot he REBELLIOUS SLAVES of Haiti.

Had they not kicked Napoleons ass in Haiti, he'd never have sold us the Louisiana territory.

Yeah that's right SLAVES made it all possible, kiddies.

Remember THAT next time we need to save that nation for still anothjer natural disaster.

WE still OWE them.

 

[regent]

Did Jefferson violate the constitution with the purchase of Louisiana?
Is it OK to violate the constitution if some perceive the goal to be good?

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Where would the USA be now if President Jefferson hadn't paid $15 million to France?

IDIOT!!!

The real question is: "Where would the USA be now if President Jefferson had stuck to his whacky principles, and not given in to practical politics?"

Jefferson threw some of his principles, principles he demanded others live by, under the bus in order to help the deal go through

learn your fucking history

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Seriously, the effects of the Louisiana Purchase are still being felt today. Right now, Texas and Oklahoma are battling before the Supreme Court over water rights to the Red River, the boundary between the two states. The Red was also the boundary between New France and New Spain when we bought out New France and the subsequent court decisions establishing the official boundary as the vegetation line on the Texas side of the river is very much a part of the current issue. The past visits the present.

Without the Louisiana Purchase, there's a good chance that the United States today would be a second-rank nation which ends at the Mississippi River, if it survived at all.

And Jefferson had to close his eyes and hold his prominent nose in order to be pragmatic and practice practical politics. Jefferson was exposed as a perfumed prince on this one

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Where would the USA be now if President Jefferson hadn't paid $15 million to France?

He didn't PAY for it, LK.

The USA borrowed the money from the Netherlands to buy it.

Something that Jefferson truly hated (public debt) he signed onto because Galatin (his Treasury maven) convinced him made good sense.

And had Hamilton not won the debate about the NATIONAL BANK (that Tommy also hated) just a few years before that date?

We could not have borrowed the money to buy that land.

History, its WAY more complex than most of us were told.

thank you!

Somebody else knows American history

 

[konradv]

Did Jefferson violate the constitution with the purchase of Louisiana?
Is it OK to violate the constitution if some perceive the goal to be good?

It's in how you look at it. Those opposed to the purchase said the Constitution did not give him the power. Those in favor said the Constitution did not prohibit it.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Did Jefferson violate the constitution with the purchase of Louisiana?
Is it OK to violate the constitution if some perceive the goal to be good?

It's in how you look at it. Those opposed to the purchase said the Constitution did not give him the power. Those in favor said the Constitution did not prohibit it.

And Jefferson was against it before he was for it. A great American tradition!

Except Jefferson was relentless unfair in his assassinations of the character of others for being inconsistent on principles. Jefferson was a great offender using of the politics of personal attack

 

[longknife]

Well...for one thing, George Bush wouldn't have had to endure all the bad press over hurricane Katrina. That would have been Jacques Chirac's problem! LOL

Groan! Another "Bush Did It -er!"

 

[Vandalshandle]

There is no way that the French could have held on to that territory. After the disaster of the French Revelution, France suffered the disaster of Napoleon's attempt to conquer the world, only to end up defeated by England and Prussia. Spain was a rotten empire by then, and would never have been a contender for the teritory. The USA would have ended up with it one way of the other...most likely by waging war on the French, which were already in serious decline after having lost Canada to the British, and haiti to a slave revolt. Napoleon knew this when he sold it to us. He actualy got a good deal. The Spainards might have taken heed of all this in 1898, before the war where they lost Puerto Rico, Cuba, and the Phillipines.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Where would the USA be now if President Jefferson hadn't paid $15 million to France?

Have you figured IT out yet?

 

[there4eyeM]

The best real estate deal in history.

 

[there4eyeM]

Well...for one thing, George Bush wouldn't have had to endure all the bad press over hurricane Katrina. That would have been Jacques Chirac's problem! LOL

Groan! Another "Bush Did It -er!"

Some people go way out of their way to avoid a little humor.