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Yesterday before the debates, Obama was at 61% chance of being re-elected on Intrade. This morning, he is at 65%.

Intrade had the overturn of 0bamacare at 75% 2 hours before SCOTUS ruled...

but fivethirtyeight.com has him in the 60's, too... and that's without the effects, if any, of last night's debate.

Election Forecasts - FiveThirtyEight Blog - NYTimes.com

The president did exactly what he needed to do.

Even before he won last night’s debate, the polls were trending in the president’s favor, as documented by fivethirtyeight.

Obama’s success Tuesday will likely keep the positive numbers in his direction.
 
Like him or not, I think Erick Erickson's got this one right:

At Best a Fleeting Tie for Obama. The Reality is a Cancer on His Campaign | RedState

At Best a Fleeting Tie for Obama. The Reality is a Cancer on His Campaign

By: Erick Erickson (Diary) | October 17th, 2012 at 12:31 AM

I think Mitt Romney won the debate, but not by much. He flubbed a few good opportunities to really score decisive blows on the President, but definitely drew more blood. The CNN polling and CBS News polling confirm it. While more thought Barack Obama won the debate, largely because his last performance was so bad, clear majorities outside the margin of error thought Mitt Romney would be best on the economy, jobs, the deficit, etc. That suggests Romney did win, but people viewed Obama’s debate performance as an improvement over the first one. In fact, while other areas of the debate may overshadow this point, Romney deftly dispatched Obama on his economic record. That is the one issue that matters. It got so bad, Obama had to trot out Planned Parenthood and Big Bird.

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You WON'T like this guy, but HE nails it:


4. Obama's best moment was when he went right to where Romney lives. Regarding Romney's tax plan, Obama said, "Governor Romney was a very successful investor. If somebody came to you, Governor, with a plan that said, here, I want to spend $7 or $8 trillion, and then we're going to pay for it, but we can't tell you until maybe after the election how we're going to do it, you wouldn't take such a sketchy deal and neither should you, the American people," and that was the kind of pimp slap that'd make even the most hardened pimp flinch in sympathy. Everyone is talking about the Libya/"acts of terror" moment as the key. That was orgasmic in its pure evisceration of Romney, but, really, Mitt didn't recover after this smacking.

6. It bears saying that if Mitt Romney became a governor in 2003 and didn't know any women who could take a position in his administration, then Mitt Romney has never given a damn about women he can't fuck. And, with the "binders full of women" already much-mocked, maybe someone can also inform Romney that if you are directing people to search for women to fill jobs, that's affirmative action.

7. It also bears saying that Obama's answer that connected women's health issues with economic and family issues was beautiful. In a night of truly strong answers, it was nearly everything anyone concerned with the real lives of real women could have asked for.

I luvs me some Rude One, I do.


:D
 
I know what kind of man Romney is, but people need to understand what kind of a man Obama is.


Read all about it...Obama spins and lies!!!!


Time line of lies!

Obama's Benghazi Lies - Home

Destroys Obama's case. It wasn't about a fucking terrorist attack, BUT the protest over our freedom of speech.

On the 13th he was talking about the protest when he said terrorized.

Susan Rice said on the 16th that this wasn't a pre-planned attack. LIES

On the 18th Obama went on the letterman show and blamed our first amendment for the attack. LIES!!!

If the terrorized was supposed to mean a terrorist attack. Well, Obama sure inserted his foot in his ass.

Clinton on the 21st was the first to say it was a Terrorist attack. SPIN!

Obama on the view on the 25th said it was about the fucking video! Spin some more!!!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iD4a9GHBF_U&feature=related]Carney maintains Libya attack was not preplanned - YouTube[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPzjayOh-PU&feature=relmfu]Who is responsible for the attack in Benghazi? - YouTube[/ame]



O'shit did Obama fuck up on security?

Biden blatantly lied about Chris Stevens wanting more Security
The Fact Checker


“We weren’t told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security.”

— Biden, speaking of the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya

Biden’s bold statement was directly contradicted by State Department officials just this week, in testimony before a congressional panel and in unclassified cables released by a congressional committee.

“All of us at post were in sync that we wanted these resources,” said Eric Nordstrom, the top regional security officer in Libya earlier this year. A Utah national guardsman who led a security team, Lt. Col. Andrew Wood, said: “We felt great frustration that those requests were ignored or just never met.”


[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIxjz5wEcF0]September 12, 2012 - President Obama Speaks on Libya Attacks that killed US Ambassador Chris Stevens - YouTube[/ame]

@ 5:00-6:20 you can hear the context in which he mentioned terrorism, Romney was correct in his assertation as, in context, Obama was referring to terrorism in general and not specifically the attack
====

Candy wasn't even right here as Obama said "terror" in the context of the protest.



Crowley to Axelrod: Obama Never Said Benghazi Attack Was 'Act of Terror
Breitbart ^ | 17 Oct 2012, 3:44 AM PDT | Tony Lee
Crowley to Axelrod: Obama Never Said Benghazi Attack Was 'Act of Terror'
On CNN's "State of the Union" on September 30, Candy Crowley insisted David Axelrod, President Barack Obama's chief strategist, was wrong when Axelrod tried to claim President Barack Obama called the Benghazi attack "an act of terror" on the day after.
"First, they said it was not planned, it was part of this tape," Crowley said when Axelrod tried to spin her.
This was Crowley the journalist, unlike the pro-Obama advocate who moderated Tuesday's debate between Obama and Mitt Romney and interjected herself into an argument between Obama and Romney on the exact same issue -- and took Obama's side.
During the debate, Crowley affirmed Obama's assertion that he referred to the Benghazi attacks as acts of terror on the day after.
After Romney correctly said it took Obama 14 days before Obama said the the Benghazi attacks were acts of terror, Crowley took Obama's side -- to an ovation from the town hall audience -- and she proclaimed Obama had indeed claimed the Benghazi attacks were acts of terror the day after the attacks in the White House Rose Garden.
On September 12, the day after the attacks, Obama did say the words "acts of terror" but he was not referring to the attacks that killed U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens.
Crowley knew that on September 30 and she conceded it again hours after the debate when she went on CNN and said while Romney "was right in the main, but he just chose the wrong word." But the damage had already been done.
With Obama's reelection on the line, Crowley seemed to have conveniently forgotten the facts she knew two weeks before when she grilled Axelrod in a way she should have Obama.
 
What in the hell was Secretary of State Hillary Clinton thinking when she issued orders of no bullets in the embassies in a terrorist country in which the very ambassador who was assassinated requested backup several times before the actual assassination.

Libya is not seen as a terrorist country...

Exactly.

That only makes it worse, the libyan security apparatus told them the situation was deteriorating........it was 911, hello........
 
What in the hell was Secretary of State Hillary Clinton thinking when she issued orders of no bullets in the embassies in a terrorist country in which the very ambassador who was assassinated requested backup several times before the actual assassination.

Libya is not seen as a terrorist country...
Really?

You have a brutal dictator overthrown by Muslim fanatics, and you can't see the country deteriorating into an Islamic freakazoid zone?

Y'ever heard the Marine Corps Hymn?...Y'know where the shores of Tripoli are?...Y'know how that reference is historically relevant?

Fuck me! :rolleyes:
 
Like "Trickle Down"??

:lol:

1# It takes "capital"(cash) to open a business(cost of making stuff, cost of the employee's, ect.).
2# The rich don't have to stay in this country. They don't have to invest in our country, so to get them to invest we do in fact have to make them happy. :eusa_shifty: Look at france to understand what they do.

Why did they outsource??? It's true the rich are greedy....But it is they that have us over the barrel.

1. None of that is taxable
2. The rich are welcome to leave. I see more coming in than leaving

really? Businesses don't pay any kind of tax on supplies? On raw materials?

I know some business owners that would LOVE to live in a country where they didn't pay any tax on supplies and raw materials.
 
1# It takes "capital"(cash) to open a business(cost of making stuff, cost of the employee's, ect.).
2# The rich don't have to stay in this country. They don't have to invest in our country, so to get them to invest we do in fact have to make them happy. :eusa_shifty: Look at france to understand what they do.

Why did they outsource??? It's true the rich are greedy....But it is they that have us over the barrel.

1. None of that is taxable
2. The rich are welcome to leave. I see more coming in than leaving

really? Businesses don't pay any kind of tax on supplies? On raw materials?

I know some business owners that would LOVE to live in a country where they didn't pay any tax on supplies and raw materials.

It is still deductable
 
1. None of that is taxable
2. The rich are welcome to leave. I see more coming in than leaving

really? Businesses don't pay any kind of tax on supplies? On raw materials?

I know some business owners that would LOVE to live in a country where they didn't pay any tax on supplies and raw materials.

It is still deductable

What is he smoking? He does live in a country where businesses don't pay taxes on supplies and raw materials.
 
I know what kind of man Romney is, but people need to understand what kind of a man Obama is.


Read all about it...Obama spins and lies!!!!


Time line of lies!

Obama's Benghazi Lies - Home

Destroys Obama's case. It wasn't about a fucking terrorist attack, BUT the protest over our freedom of speech.

On the 13th he was talking about the protest when he said terrorized.

Susan Rice said on the 16th that this wasn't a pre-planned attack. LIES

On the 18th Obama went on the letterman show and blamed our first amendment for the attack. LIES!!!

If the terrorized was supposed to mean a terrorist attack. Well, Obama sure inserted his foot in his ass.

Clinton on the 21st was the first to say it was a Terrorist attack. SPIN!

Obama on the view on the 25th said it was about the fucking video! Spin some more!!!

Carney maintains Libya attack was not preplanned - YouTube

Who is responsible for the attack in Benghazi? - YouTube



O'shit did Obama fuck up on security?

Biden blatantly lied about Chris Stevens wanting more Security
The Fact Checker


“We weren’t told they wanted more security there. We did not know they wanted more security.”

— Biden, speaking of the U.S. diplomatic mission in Libya

Biden’s bold statement was directly contradicted by State Department officials just this week, in testimony before a congressional panel and in unclassified cables released by a congressional committee.

“All of us at post were in sync that we wanted these resources,” said Eric Nordstrom, the top regional security officer in Libya earlier this year. A Utah national guardsman who led a security team, Lt. Col. Andrew Wood, said: “We felt great frustration that those requests were ignored or just never met.”


September 12, 2012 - President Obama Speaks on Libya Attacks that killed US Ambassador Chris Stevens - YouTube

@ 5:00-6:20 you can hear the context in which he mentioned terrorism, Romney was correct in his assertation as, in context, Obama was referring to terrorism in general and not specifically the attack
====

Candy wasn't even right here as Obama said "terror" in the context of the protest.



Crowley to Axelrod: Obama Never Said Benghazi Attack Was 'Act of Terror
Breitbart ^ | 17 Oct 2012, 3:44 AM PDT | Tony Lee
Crowley to Axelrod: Obama Never Said Benghazi Attack Was 'Act of Terror'
On CNN's "State of the Union" on September 30, Candy Crowley insisted David Axelrod, President Barack Obama's chief strategist, was wrong when Axelrod tried to claim President Barack Obama called the Benghazi attack "an act of terror" on the day after.
"First, they said it was not planned, it was part of this tape," Crowley said when Axelrod tried to spin her.
This was Crowley the journalist, unlike the pro-Obama advocate who moderated Tuesday's debate between Obama and Mitt Romney and interjected herself into an argument between Obama and Romney on the exact same issue -- and took Obama's side.
During the debate, Crowley affirmed Obama's assertion that he referred to the Benghazi attacks as acts of terror on the day after.
After Romney correctly said it took Obama 14 days before Obama said the the Benghazi attacks were acts of terror, Crowley took Obama's side -- to an ovation from the town hall audience -- and she proclaimed Obama had indeed claimed the Benghazi attacks were acts of terror the day after the attacks in the White House Rose Garden.
On September 12, the day after the attacks, Obama did say the words "acts of terror" but he was not referring to the attacks that killed U.S. Ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens.
Crowley knew that on September 30 and she conceded it again hours after the debate when she went on CNN and said while Romney "was right in the main, but he just chose the wrong word." But the damage had already been done.
With Obama's reelection on the line, Crowley seemed to have conveniently forgotten the facts she knew two weeks before when she grilled Axelrod in a way she should have Obama.
romney has a lot going for him on this for next weeks debate
 
Intrade had the overturn of 0bamacare at 75% 2 hours before SCOTUS ruled...

but fivethirtyeight.com has him in the 60's, too... and that's without the effects, if any, of last night's debate.

Election Forecasts - FiveThirtyEight Blog - NYTimes.com

The president did exactly what he needed to do.

Even before he won last night’s debate, the polls were trending in the president’s favor, as documented by fivethirtyeight.

Obama’s success Tuesday will likely keep the positive numbers in his direction.
i hope so but national polls still look pretty bleak.
 
in end deep down it be great see peace in middle east but sadly always seem place full of conflict and war.
 
he didn't lie, you pathetic douche. He passed on the best intelligence he had at the time. He left open the fact that right wing theocrats used a terrorist attack. He didn't give a rat fuck. He said the scumbags would be pwned. xxxxxxx

why was the republicans and bush such fags about this?

he lied. He claimed he denounced it as a terrorist attack the next day. He didn't. He was on the view the following week and at the un blaming a spontaneous riot that occured because of a youtube video no one has seen. He was asked on the view about whether it was a terror attack and he refused to say one way or another because "we didn't have enough information yet"

funny...they just showed the video from the rose garden the day after...

His words, exactly "no act of terror" will go unpunished and "we will get to the bottom of this".

Sorry charlie...

what lies douche bag? Where's your game. Pretty weak ass shiite
 
he didn't lie, you pathetic douche. He passed on the best intelligence he had at the time. He left open the fact that right wing theocrats used a terrorist attack. He didn't give a rat fuck. He said the scumbags would be pwned. xxxxxxx

why was the republicans and bush such fags about this?

he lied. He claimed he denounced it as a terrorist attack the next day. He didn't. He was on the view the following week and at the un blaming a spontaneous riot that occured because of a youtube video no one has seen. He was asked on the view about whether it was a terror attack and he refused to say one way or another because "we didn't have enough information yet"

funny...they just showed the video from the rose garden the day after...

His words, exactly "no act of terror" will go unpunished and "we will get to the bottom of this".

Sorry charlie...

you are a dumb fuck to the highest order
 
he lied. He claimed he denounced it as a terrorist attack the next day. He didn't. He was on the view the following week and at the un blaming a spontaneous riot that occured because of a youtube video no one has seen. He was asked on the view about whether it was a terror attack and he refused to say one way or another because "we didn't have enough information yet"

funny...they just showed the video from the rose garden the day after...

His words, exactly "no act of terror" will go unpunished and "we will get to the bottom of this".

Sorry charlie...

you are a dumb fuck to the highest order

He said it again the day after that. Jillian is right.
 
in end deep down it be great see peace in middle east but sadly always seem place full of conflict and war.

it is what happens when you make nice with murdering fanatics that want all freedom stamped out.....Obama is weak and the murdering bastards know it.
i think their were issues with middle east before obama. it something no us president will find easy to bring peace to
 

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