1950's book review of Paul Ryan's idol

[jasonnfree]

Paul Ryan's idol? Who was Hussein's idol, Ho-chi-Minh?

Ayn Rand was an idol of Paul Ryan. Ho chi minh and Obama? You're just posting to be posting. Be relevant please.

 

[bripat9643]

I don't think either man looks to Rand's principles exclusively as both have a much broader education and experience. Free markets are capable of policing themselves with one major caveat, they have to function honestly. But to imply that Greenspan and Ryan rely solely on Rand for their philosophies is disingenuous at best. And no I was not a college Republican, in fact like most young people I had very little interest in politics back then.

And the free market regulates itself as regards to pollution also, according to Rand.

It does on private property. Have you ever noticed pollution on private property? Pollution is only a problem on property that isn't privately owned, like rivers and the air and public lands.

 

[jasonnfree]

We get it... Obama won. Who cares what book Ryan read?

What Paul Ryan reads is tied in with what this thread is about. It's about hypocrisy.

 

[Dot Com]

Paul Ryan, just like Ayn Rand, didn't pass up the opportunity to "get free stuff" from the taxpayers. Social security was there for when they needed it. Paul Ryan has brought in very little money that didn't come from the taxpayers to this day, but it didn't stop these two hypocrites from trying to destroy entitlements and criticize people that are helped by them. No way to prove it but I believe a good percentage of tea baggers on this board are getting "free stuff".

I can't prove it, but it's almost certain that you're a tick on the ass of the tax payers.

I see you responded to my post. I don't read posts by low lifes that have little children flipping the bird on their posts

We get it... Obama won. Who cares what book Ryan read?

What Paul Ryan reads is tied in with what this thread is about. It's about hypocrisy.

Exactly. The guy was running as VP & lied about his fashioning his life on Rand whom Buckley, the father of modern conservatism, had no time for. He threw Rand under the bus FAST when his church didn't like what they saw in his budget (punishing the poor & doing nothing to the wealthy)

 

[g5000]

Not only was this author one whom Paul Ryan demanded all of his (tax-payer funded ) staff read but she was also Alan Greenspan's idol as well

Big Sister Is Watching You - Whittaker Chambers - National Review Online

Something of this implication is fixed in the book’s dictatorial tone, which is much its most striking feature. Out of a lifetime of reading, I can recall no other book in which a tone of overriding arrogance was so implacably sustained. Its shrillness is without reprieve. Its dogmatism is without appeal.

Can we agree that her tomes should (rightfully) be relegated to the dustbin of history & people like greenspan & Ryan's devotion be openly mocked ?

discuss...

Whittaker Chambers and Buckley were both religious zealots, so it's hardly surprising that they would pan Ayn Rand, who was an atheist.

What this shows is that the left-wing belief that capitalism is "conservative" is erroneous. Capitalism is a radical program. It always has been.

The conservative movement would not even exist were it not for Bill Buckley. Ronald Reagan would not have been President were it not for Buckley.

The review of Atlas Shrugged by Chambers was entirely accurate. It's a book for puerile minds that should have been no longer than a short story.

 

[g5000]

Nor has the author, apparently, brooded on the degree to which, in a wicked world, a materialism of the Right and a materialism of the Left first surprisingly resemble, then, in action, tend to blend each with each, because, while differing at the top in avowed purpose, and possibly in conflict there, at bottom they are much the same thing. The embarrassing similarities between Hitler’s National Socialism and Stalin’s brand of Communism are familiar. For the world, as seen in materialist view from the Right, scarcely differs from the same world seen in materialist view from the Left.

Absolutely prescient. In recent years we have seen a rise of a vicious totalitarian streak from the Right which matches that of the Left.

 

[Dot Com]

I'm going out for a bit so here is a few passages to ponder

Ayn Rand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Author Flannery O'Connor wrote in a letter to a friend that "The fiction of Ayn Rand is as low as you can get re fiction. I hope you picked it up off the floor of the subway and threw it in the nearest garbage pail."

On the 100th anniversary of Rand's birth in 2005, Edward Rothstein, writing for The New York Times, referred to her fictional writing as quaint utopian "retro fantasy" and programmatic neo-Romanticism of the misunderstood artist, while criticizing her characters' "isolated rejection of democratic society". In 2007, book critic Leslie Clark described her fiction as "romance novels with a patina of pseudo-philosophy". In 2009, GQ's critic columnist Tom Carson described her books as "capitalism's version of middlebrow religious novels" such as Ben-Hur and the Left Behind series.

this is almost too easy

 

[rdean]

Unfeeling

Scorn for charity and altruism

Lack of goodness

Yep, sounds EXACTLY like the Republican Party. Doesn't it?

Paul Ryan, just like Ayn Rand, didn't pass up the opportunity to "get free stuff" from the taxpayers. Social security was there for when they needed it. Paul Ryan has brought in very little money that didn't come from the taxpayers to this day, but it didn't stop these two hypocrites from trying to destroy entitlements and criticize people that are helped by them. No way to prove it but I believe a good percentage of tea baggers on this board are getting "free stuff".

Gotta be. So hard to get a job without an education and most of them only have "scorn" for education.

 

[bripat9643]

Paul Ryan's idol? Who was Hussein's idol, Ho-chi-Minh?

Ayn Rand was an idol of Paul Ryan. Ho chi minh and Obama? You're just posting to be posting. Be relevant please.

We know his idols were all commies. The only unresolved issue is "which ones?"

 

[bripat9643]

I'm going out for a bit so here is a few passages to ponder

Ayn Rand - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Author Flannery O'Connor wrote in a letter to a friend that "The fiction of Ayn Rand is as low as you can get re fiction. I hope you picked it up off the floor of the subway and threw it in the nearest garbage pail."

On the 100th anniversary of Rand's birth in 2005, Edward Rothstein, writing for The New York Times, referred to her fictional writing as quaint utopian "retro fantasy" and programmatic neo-Romanticism of the misunderstood artist, while criticizing her characters' "isolated rejection of democratic society". In 2007, book critic Leslie Clark described her fiction as "romance novels with a patina of pseudo-philosophy". In 2009, GQ's critic columnist Tom Carson described her books as "capitalism's version of middlebrow religious novels" such as Ben-Hur and the Left Behind series.

this is almost too easy

Yep, there's nothing easier than baseless ad hominems, or quoting them. That's all you got. The fact that some pinko author hates Ayn Rand doesn't prove a thing other than the fact that he's a pinko who hates Ayn Rand. The fact that you would quote him because you think it proves something only proves that you're a moron.

 

[bripat9643]

Nor has the author, apparently, brooded on the degree to which, in a wicked world, a materialism of the Right and a materialism of the Left first surprisingly resemble, then, in action, tend to blend each with each, because, while differing at the top in avowed purpose, and possibly in conflict there, at bottom they are much the same thing. The embarrassing similarities between Hitler’s National Socialism and Stalin’s brand of Communism are familiar. For the world, as seen in materialist view from the Right, scarcely differs from the same world seen in materialist view from the Left.

Absolutely prescient. In recent years we have seen a rise of a vicious totalitarian streak from the Right which matches that of the Left.

Really? care to provide some examples?

 

[bripat9643]

Whittaker Chambers and Buckley were both religious zealots, so it's hardly surprising that they would pan Ayn Rand, who was an atheist.

What this shows is that the left-wing belief that capitalism is "conservative" is erroneous. Capitalism is a radical program. It always has been.

The conservative movement would not even exist were it not for Bill Buckley. Ronald Reagan would not have been President were it not for Buckley.

Which proves absolutely nothing about Ayn Rand. BTW, she isn't a conservative. She's a radical capitalist.

The review of Atlas Shrugged by Chambers was entirely accurate. It's a book for puerile minds that should have been no longer than a short story.

My review of your post is totally accurate, and it says your post is total bullshit. A puerile mind believes its prejudices are the equivalent of facts.

 

[newpolitics]

Not only was this author one whom Paul Ryan demanded all of his (tax-payer funded ) staff read but she was also Alan Greenspan's idol as well

Big Sister Is Watching You - Whittaker Chambers - National Review Online

Something of this implication is fixed in the book’s dictatorial tone, which is much its most striking feature. Out of a lifetime of reading, I can recall no other book in which a tone of overriding arrogance was so implacably sustained. Its shrillness is without reprieve. Its dogmatism is without appeal.

Can we agree that her tomes should (rightfully) be relegated to the dustbin of history & people like greenspan & Ryan's devotion be openly mocked ?

discuss...

Whittaker Chambers and Buckley were both religious zealots, so it's hardly surprising that they would pan Ayn Rand, who was an atheist.

What this shows is that the left-wing belief that capitalism is "conservative" is erroneous. Capitalism is a radical program. It always has been.

What Rands political orientations were are unimportant. What is important is that conservative politicians and economists today seem to be largely inspired by her writings. I disagree with your assertion that she wasn't a conservative, but I am just pointing at that is doesn't actually matter. You are committing a genetic fallacy of sorts in thinking it matters.

 

[jillian]

her NOVELS should be treated as what they are.... novels by a decent storyteller.... but not as political philosophy since even it's author didn't follow her own dictates.

it was a selfish rant... not a recipe for life.

funny that the twits don't know that.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Paul Ryan's idol? Who was Hussein's idol, Ho-chi-Minh?

Saul Alinski

 

[Skull Pilot]

Why is it you people want to trash an entire book?

I have always used the buffet method when reading any book be it fiction or not.

Take what you like and leave the rest.

There are some excellent philosophical points in Rand's books but that is not saying the book is gospel.

No book should be gospel to anyone including religious texts.

 

[jillian]

Why is it you people want to trash an entire book?

I have always used the buffet method when reading any book be it fiction or not.

Take what you like and leave the rest.

There are some excellent philosophical points in Rand's books but that is not saying the book is gospel.

No book should be gospel to anyone including religious texts.

i liked her books when i read them.

the 'trashing', if you will, lies in the fact that some people think her books were actual political philosophy.

 

[Dot Com]

No book should be gospel to anyone including religious texts.

Apparently Ryan (R) , THE LAST GUY TO BE ON THE TICKET FOR VP ON THE REPUB PARTY TICKET & Greenspan never got your memo. The outcome of Greenspan not getting your memo were/are disastrous:
Alan Shrugged: Greenspan, Ayn Rand and Their God That Failed

In fact, it was always a matter of ideology for Greenspan, a libertarian champion. In 1963, writing in Rand's "Objectivist" newsletter, he noted, "It is in the self-interest of every businessman to have a reputation for honest dealings and a quality product." Regulation, he maintained, undermines this "superlatively moral system." Self-governance by choice, he said, would be more effective than governance through government. Regulation, Greenspan maintained, was the enemy of freedom: "At the bottom of the endless pile of paper work which characterizes all regulation lies a gun."

Well, it turns out that at the bottom of the system that Greenspan oversaw for years, there was nothing but a pile of bad paper. And testifying to the House oversight committee, Greenspan, one of the more ideological Washington players of the past few decades, essentially said that Ayn Randism had let him—and the entire world—down. It was truly a God that failed.

Last I heard, Ayn Rand was req'd reading for serious college Repubs. Has that changed? Ryan, no doubt, was a college Repub.

Is Paul Ryan for or against Ayn Rand? - CNN.com

But that's not the way he was talking in 2005, when he gave a speech to the Atlas Society, a group dedicated to promoting Rand's beliefs.

In that speech, Ryan said, "I grew up reading Ayn Rand and it taught me quite a bit about who I am and what my value systems are and what my beliefs are. It's inspired me so much that it's required reading in my office for all my interns and my staff."

 

[Dubya]

Not only was this author one whom Paul Ryan demanded all of his (tax-payer funded ) staff read but she was also Alan Greenspan's idol as well

Big Sister Is Watching You - Whittaker Chambers - National Review Online

Can we agree that her tomes should (rightfully) be relegated to the dustbin of history & people like greenspan & Ryan's devotion be openly mocked ?

discuss...

Whittaker Chambers and Buckley were both religious zealots, so it's hardly surprising that they would pan Ayn Rand, who was an atheist.

What this shows is that the left-wing belief that capitalism is "conservative" is erroneous. Capitalism is a radical program. It always has been.

What Rands political orientations were are unimportant. What is important is that conservative politicians and economists today seem to be largely inspired by her writings. I disagree with your assertion that she wasn't a conservative, but I am just pointing at that is doesn't actually matter. You are committing a genetic fallacy of sorts in thinking it matters.

Ayn Rand is more like someone a libertarian, like Greenspan, would follow and not a conservative who knew about the woman. The woman's behavior in her life would disgust the average conservative and she certainly disgusts me. Since the majority of conservatives are Christian, they aren't going to approve of Ayn Rand. The ones that do more than likely have never examined her and just jumped on the bandwagon.

 

[Dot Com]

Whittaker Chambers and Buckley were both religious zealots, so it's hardly surprising that they would pan Ayn Rand, who was an atheist.

What this shows is that the left-wing belief that capitalism is "conservative" is erroneous. Capitalism is a radical program. It always has been.

What Rands political orientations were are unimportant. What is important is that conservative politicians and economists today seem to be largely inspired by her writings. I disagree with your assertion that she wasn't a conservative, but I am just pointing at that is doesn't actually matter. You are committing a genetic fallacy of sorts in thinking it matters.

Ayn Rand is more like someone a libertarian, like Greenspan, would follow and not a conservative who knew about the woman. The woman's behavior in her life would disgust the average conservative and she certainly disgusts me. Since the majority of conservatives are Christian, they aren't going to approve of Ayn Rand. The ones that do more than likely have never examined her and just jumped on the bandwagon.

Ryan (R) apparently didn't get the memo until he caved to the catholic church after they called him on his Randian budget