1934 Cartoon That Resonates Once Again

[Red Dawn]

Not the whole pic, but nice graphic there:

American Chronicle | The Court-Packing Debacle of 1937

Even revisionists have some problem with what his majesty tried, while couching it in the best possible terms.

please answer the question. Is it your contention that Obama or FDR is a marxist, a stalinist, a commie pinko?

You posted a picture of Stalin, Marx, and commie pinkos, and linked it to the current adminstration.

I never saw Grump, Ravi, Jillian, or any sane lefty ever post picture with Hitler substituting for bush.

I'm trying to ascertain, if you really believe Obama is a Stalinist and a Marxist, or if FDR was a stalinist. Because frankly, I only hear that kind of talk from the extreme fringe lunatic rightwing.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Not the whole pic, but nice graphic there:

American Chronicle | The Court-Packing Debacle of 1937

Even revisionists have some problem with what his majesty tried, while couching it in the best possible terms.

please answer the question. Is it your contention that Obama or FDR is a marxist, a stalinist, a commie pinko?

You posted a picture of Stalin, Marx, and commie pinkos, and linked it to the current adminstration.

I never saw Grump, Ravi, Jillian, or any sane lefty ever post picture with Hitler substituting for bush.

I'm trying to ascertain, if you really believe Obama is a Stalinist and a Marxist, or if FDR was a stalinist. Because frankly, I only hear that kind of talk from the extreme fringe lunatic rightwing.

August 13, 1938, The House Un-American Affairs received testimony from John Frey, president of an AFL union, about 280 Communist Party members in the CIO and that communists had infiltrated the government in almost every bureau through the United Office and Professional Workers Union. FDR , who was very angry, met with Chairman Dies and told him "Well, there is no one interested in Communism, no one at all. I've heard it all my life. There is no menace here in Communism...there is nothing wrong with the Communists in this country. Several of my best friends are Communist." The bitterest attack FDR ever made publicly against a public official was against Dies for his investigation of Communist influences in union sit-down strikes. FDR refused cooperation with the Dies committee and tried to kill it by blocking funds to it in 1940. Dies claimed there were 3,000 communists working in government.
FDR Scandal Page

 

[elvis]

Not the whole pic, but nice graphic there:

American Chronicle | The Court-Packing Debacle of 1937

Even revisionists have some problem with what his majesty tried, while couching it in the best possible terms.

please answer the question. Is it your contention that Obama or FDR is a marxist, a stalinist, a commie pinko?

You posted a picture of Stalin, Marx, and commie pinkos, and linked it to the current adminstration.

I never saw Grump, Ravi, Jillian, or any sane lefty ever post picture with Hitler substituting for bush.

I'm trying to ascertain, if you really believe Obama is a Stalinist and a Marxist, or if FDR was a stalinist. Because frankly, I only hear that kind of talk from the extreme fringe lunatic rightwing.

Marx and Hitler are not comparable.

 

[Ravi]

I like the cartoon. It shows a continual attempt to slander Democrats and it also shows how wrong the cartoonist was...thanks for posting it.

I didn't realize you were that old, Annie.

 

[Xenophon]

The more things change, the more they remain the same.

 

[Father Time]

Come on PC you're better than using such a heavily biased fucker as Medved for a source ... right?

 

[Evangelical]

Actually--Spending is part of the Democratic solution--the only problem is where to spend and how much.

Hence the cartoon DUmmie

The cartoon added in the notion that this is the pathway to communisim when in fact Tsarist Russia failed because of a lack of government focusing on the social sectors of the nation.

In other words, the Russian government failed the Russian people, the russian people over-reacted and empowered communists, the communists showed the Russian people that Tsarists were not as bad as they thought! Yes there are bad dictatorships(Tsars) and worst ones(Soviets!)

Of course the soviets were going to attack capitalists because capitalists are on the other side of the spectrum from them. Kind of like how Capitalists attack communists, except communists that help them make money(See Communists China, Communist Vietnam, Soon--Communist Cuba!!)


But it was not the CAPITALIST that failed the Russian people But their non-responsive government. In America, it was Laissez-Faire Markets(unregulated capitalism) that brought about the Great depression yet a responsive government that kept us from following the Russians.

In other words, yomay not like what is going on, but if we continue in the conservative direction, we will empower left-wing fascists.

Put your head back up your ass until you learn something about the Russian revolution.

 

[Annie]

Not the whole pic, but nice graphic there:

American Chronicle | The Court-Packing Debacle of 1937

Even revisionists have some problem with what his majesty tried, while couching it in the best possible terms.

please answer the question. Is it your contention that Obama or FDR is a marxist, a stalinist, a commie pinko?

You posted a picture of Stalin, Marx, and commie pinkos, and linked it to the current adminstration.

I never saw Grump, Ravi, Jillian, or any sane lefty ever post picture with Hitler substituting for bush.

I'm trying to ascertain, if you really believe Obama is a Stalinist and a Marxist, or if FDR was a stalinist. Because frankly, I only hear that kind of talk from the extreme fringe lunatic rightwing.

The Volokh Conspiracy - -

http://www.worldcantwait.net/flier/nyt.pdf

Those disagreeing with the present spending and future taxing show up at a park. What a comparison with the high financed 'war' waged on the past administration.

Ravi was not here during the period in question, Jillian has always been sane. Grump implies, but is generally not a raving loon. On the other hand, what I posted was a political cartoon from 1934, not a picture/cartoon/photoshop of Obama:

WORLD CAN’T WAIT
DRIVE OUT THE BUSH REGIME!

YOUR GOVERNMENT, on the basis of outrageous lies, is waging a murderous and utterly
illegitimate war in Iraq, with other countries in their sights.

YOUR GOVERNMENTis openly torturing people, and justifying it.

YOUR GOVERNMENTputs people in jail on the merest suspicion, refusing them lawyers,
and either holding them indefinitely or deporting them in the dead of night.

YOUR GOVERNMENTis moving each day closer to a theocracy, where a narrow and hateful brand of Christian fundamentalism will rule.

YOUR GOVERNMENTsuppresses the science that doesn't fit its religious, political and
economic agenda, forcing present and future generations to pay a terrible price.

YOUR GOVERNMENTis moving to deny women here, and all over the world, the right to
birth control and abortion.

YOUR GOVERNMENTenforces a culture of greed, bigotry, intolerance and ignorance.
People look at all this and think of Hitler—and they are right to do so. The Bush regime is
setting out to radically remake society very quickly, in a fascist way, and for generations
to come. We must act now; the future is in the balance.

Millions and millions are deeply disturbed and outraged by this. They recognize the need
for a vehicle to express this outrage, yet they cannot find it; politics as usual cannot meet
the enormity of the challenge, and people sense this.

There is not going to be some magical "pendulum swing." People who steal elections
and believe they're on a "mission from God" will not go without a fight. There is not going
to be some savior from the Democratic Party. This whole idea of putting our hopes and
energies into "leaders" who tell us to seek common ground with fascists and religious
fanatics is proving every day to be a disaster, and actually serves to demobilize people.
But silence and paralysis are NOT acceptable. That which you will not resist and mobilize to stop, you will learn—or be forced—to accept. There is no escaping it: the whole disastrous course of this Bush regime must be STOPPED. And we must take the responsibility to do it.

And there is a way. We are talking about something on a scale that can really make
a huge change in this country and in the world. We need more than fighting Bush's
outrages one at a time, constantly losing ground to the whole onslaught. We must, and
can, aim to create a political situation where the Bush regime's program is repudiated,
where Bush himself is driven from office, and where the whole direction he has been
taking society is reversed. We, in our millions, must and can take responsibility to
change the course of history.

Acting in this way, we join with and give support and heart to people all over the globe
who so urgently need and want this regime to be stopped.

This will not be easy. If we speak the truth, they will try to silence us. If we act, they will
try to stop us. But we speak for the majority, here and around the world, and as we get
this going we are going to reach out to the people who have been so badly fooled by
Bush and we are NOT going to stop.

The point is this: history is full of examples where people who had right on their side fought against tremendous odds and were victorious. And it is also full of examples of people passively hoping to wait it out, only to get swallowed up by a horror beyond what they ever imagined.

THE FUTURE IS UNWRITTEN. WHICH ONE WE GET IS UP TO US.
DEMONSTRATE on SATURDAY
(following the State of the Union) WASHINGTON D.C. On the Saturday after the State
of the Union address, massive numbers of us will protest at the White House. Prominent voices of conscience will help deliver On the night of President Bush’s State of the Union Address:

Bring the Noise... Drown Out Bush’s Lies In large cities and small towns all across the country, join in rallies one hour before Bush’s address to make our determination to
“Drive out the Bush Regime” the political message of the day. At 9:00 PM EST, just as Bush starts to speak, everywhere we will BRING THE NOISE. In a cacophony of
sound we will drown out his address with music: from drums to violins,
from hip hop to classical; and with noise: banging pots and ringing church bells, sounding car horns and lifting our voices. The agenda for 2006 must not be set by Bush, but by the people, in our millions, determined to stop this whole disastrous course.

STATEOF
THEUNION
EMERGENCY!
Some of the thousands of people and organizations who have signed the Call (above):WE DEMAND
TH

 

[Gunny]

Obama Parties Like its 1934 - ProfessorBainbridge.com

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So republicans are returning to their McCarthyist roots. Your cartoon would do Joe McCarthy, Michael Savage, and PubicInfinitum (or whatever the f his screen name is) proud.

Nice detail in your caroon. Karl Marx. Stalin. So your contention is that Franklin Roosevelt was a commie pinko, a marxist, and a stalinist?

This is just sad. Its not only beyond inflammatory, but history proved the douchebag who drew this cartoon to be laughably wrong. the economy didn't collapse. It got better after 1933, and generally stayed on trend getting better. That's why FDR blew out republican opposition by landslide elections four times in a row.

Your response is any different how, exactly?

 

[Gunny]

In other words, yomay not like what is going on, but if we continue in the conservative direction, we will empower left-wing fascists.

Too late ..........

Excuse me--you really need to learn to make a distinction between ideological positions or else, the conservative movement will find itself isolated because it treats everyone that disagrees with them as communists.

Look at your rhetoric--if you do not hold to this principle, if you do not believe this concept, if you do not accept this position, then you are not an american.

I seen some lefties try this and I start laughing at them and say "I guess I am not with you!!"--because I was not!!

Conservatives goes nuts when you show them either a) you do not have to be a con to hold a similiar position or b) the position/ belief they hold is too rigid for reality or you do not hold it.

Then of course, there is C) that pretains for any political ideaology--your assumptions that lead to this position/concept/belief just does not hold in present day reality.

I think I will go with the Dem solution on the economy. It takes hundreds of years to build a nation like ours, I do not see how letting things fall will make us stronger. Would that not set us back?

Pot calling the kettle black.

 

[Gunny]

Excuse me, but if you really want to see a good example one group of people labeling others that disagree with them, look no further than the Obama administrations DHS report alerting law enforcement to be on the lookout for "right wing extremists" ........

You mean the one saying that Right wing extremist is most dangerous threat to americans--and then labeling Abortion groups under the threat.

Pro-life/Pro-choice may get a little rowdy, but they are not Right/left wing extremists.

Anyway, I heard it was mainly a hoax based on misinterpretations. Yet, I cannot believe how Conservatives that once promoted imcompetant government torturing "Non-Americans" accused of torture nor get upset when Dems target Right-wing extremists

That is the problem with Americanism--It is really in the eye of the people holding power.

The birthplace of vacillation ... blame it on perspective. It's nowhere near as simple as you would for anyone to believe. If I were to choose a phrase, I'd pick "willful and blind ignorance."

 

[Gunny]

Not the whole pic, but nice graphic there:

American Chronicle | The Court-Packing Debacle of 1937

Even revisionists have some problem with what his majesty tried, while couching it in the best possible terms.

please answer the question. Is it your contention that Obama or FDR is a marxist, a stalinist, a commie pinko?

You posted a picture of Stalin, Marx, and commie pinkos, and linked it to the current adminstration.

I never saw Grump, Ravi, Jillian, or any sane lefty ever post picture with Hitler substituting for bush.

I'm trying to ascertain, if you really believe Obama is a Stalinist and a Marxist, or if FDR was a stalinist. Because frankly, I only hear that kind of talk from the extreme fringe lunatic rightwing.

It's my contention that he's over his head and responded in true Democratic fashion -- spend. In his own words redistribution of wealth is a "good thing." That would make him fiscally socialist.

Don't even go there on Grump, Ravi, Jillian nor even you. There's not much y'all have collectively missed when it comes to slinging shit.

You may not like to see what is actually there, but FDR used socialist policies trying to end the Depression and Obama apparently found the carbon copy. There's nothing extreme at all about stating fact. There IS however something extreme about the lengths one is willing to go trying to deny what's in front of your fact.

As is typical of the left, you offer only your choices and they are what is extreme. Obviously no politician in the US is strictly Stalinist or Marxist. Changes nothing. It isn't an all or nothing deal as you are trying to present it.

Bottom line: your boy is using the EXACT SAME fiscal irresponsibility that caused this mess at a much grander scale to try and fix it. Next time I try and put out a fire I'll be sure and throw gas on it.

 

[midcan5]

Does anyone else see the irony in the conservatives looking to a single cartoon for an analysis or analogy of the current situation? Is there any need to wonder why conservatives fail at everything they do when a single cartoon comes to represent thinking and the fools then give many thanks for it. Too funny.

For those whose education extends beyond comics and slogans for thought, check links below.

"The causes of the Great Depression are hotly disputed by scholars even to this day. No one knows the ultimate reason why the economy started plunging downhill in 1929. However, several things are certain:

* There was a variety of things wrong with the economy going into 1929, and they had been deteriorating throughout the decade.

* The conservative economic policies of the 1920s -- low taxes, little regulation, lack of anti-trust enforcement -- did nothing to stop the August recession and the October stock market crash.

* Hoover kept the Federal Reserve from expanding the money supply while bank panics and billions in lost deposits were contracting it. The Fed's inaction was the reason why the initial recession turned into a prolonged depression.

* The economy continually sank throughout Hoover's entire term. Under Roosevelt's New Deal, it rose five out of seven years.

* Attempts to blame Big Government for the Depression do not withstand serious scrutiny. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff had a minor impact because trade formed only 6 percent of the U.S. economy, and reducing trade gave Americans only that much more money to spend domestically. Hoover's other attempts at government intervention came mostly during his last year in office, when the Depression was already at its depth.

* The first nations to come out of the Great Depression -- Sweden, Germany, Great Britain, and then everyone else -- did so after they adopted the Keynesian solution of heavy deficit government spending.

* Keynesian economic policies have eliminated the depression from the world's economies in the six decades that have followed."

Summary

Timeline of the Great Depression
The Great Depression, to 1935
The Main Causes of the Great Depression
Stiff upper lip.
[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Great-Depression-New-Deal-Introductions/dp/0195326342/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1230302046&sr=1-8]Amazon.com: The Great Depression and the New Deal: A Very Short Introduction (Very Short Introductions): Eric Rauchway: Books[/ame]

 

[editec]

Not the whole pic, but nice graphic there:

American Chronicle | The Court-Packing Debacle of 1937

Even revisionists have some problem with what his majesty tried, while couching it in the best possible terms.

please answer the question. Is it your contention that Obama or FDR is a marxist, a stalinist, a commie pinko?

You posted a picture of Stalin, Marx, and commie pinkos, and linked it to the current adminstration.

I never saw Grump, Ravi, Jillian, or any sane lefty ever post picture with Hitler substituting for bush.

I'm trying to ascertain, if you really believe Obama is a Stalinist and a Marxist, or if FDR was a stalinist. Because frankly, I only hear that kind of talk from the extreme fringe lunatic rightwing.

Yeah, well ...who the hell do you think you're posting with here?

Moderate Republicans?

Many of these people ARE the right wing lunatic fringe, RD.

What some of these people want is firing squads for about half the population of this nation.

Some of these fruitcakes are LONGING for a civil war so they can pull their prosthetic balls...er ..er I mean their guns, and start shooting their neighbors.

Haven't you been paying attention to how fucking crazy some of these people are?

 

[Annie]

Anyone who disagrees with some of the 'moderates' aka left wingers are idiots. Uh huh. Trying to silence dissent is not the way to convince anyone of anything. Indeed you have been reinforcing the idea of our liberties under attack.

Editec, certainly the self-proclaimed genius on the board, attacks those that dissent as extremists playing into DHS meme.

Midcam, extrapolates from one editorial cartoon from the 30's that it is now the, "conservatives looking to a single cartoon for an analysis or analogy of the current situation?" Of course it was nothing of the sort, indeed their are analogies to current time, but not total and none here said differently. That there was real dissent then and now? Yeah, that would be fair.

 

[Ravi]

Not the whole pic, but nice graphic there:

American Chronicle | The Court-Packing Debacle of 1937

Even revisionists have some problem with what his majesty tried, while couching it in the best possible terms.

please answer the question. Is it your contention that Obama or FDR is a marxist, a stalinist, a commie pinko?

You posted a picture of Stalin, Marx, and commie pinkos, and linked it to the current adminstration.

I never saw Grump, Ravi, Jillian, or any sane lefty ever post picture with Hitler substituting for bush.

I'm trying to ascertain, if you really believe Obama is a Stalinist and a Marxist, or if FDR was a stalinist. Because frankly, I only hear that kind of talk from the extreme fringe lunatic rightwing.

I printed out the cartoon and stuck it in my purse. Next time my brother-in-law starts ranting about Obama I'm going to pull it out and show it to him. I'll say, look...they said the same things about FDR and look what actually happened under FDR. We got out of the Depression. We won WW2. We got the technology for nuclear arms. We became THE superpower of the world and overall we've done well as a country ever since. Make all the comparisons you want between Obama and FDR.

 

[007]

I can't wait to see what the Obamatrons will say about this.

Probably nothing.

Actually--Spending is part of the Democratic solution--the only problem is where to spend and how much.

Ta' hell with worrying about where the money will come from.

 

[del]

Does anyone else see the irony in the conservatives looking to a single cartoon for an analysis or analogy of the current situation? Is there any need to wonder why conservatives fail at everything they do when a single cartoon comes to represent thinking and the fools then give many thanks for it. Too funny.

For those whose education extends beyond comics and slogans for thought, check links below.

"The causes of the Great Depression are hotly disputed by scholars even to this day. No one knows the ultimate reason why the economy started plunging downhill in 1929. However, several things are certain:

* There was a variety of things wrong with the economy going into 1929, and they had been deteriorating throughout the decade.

* The conservative economic policies of the 1920s -- low taxes, little regulation, lack of anti-trust enforcement -- did nothing to stop the August recession and the October stock market crash.

* Hoover kept the Federal Reserve from expanding the money supply while bank panics and billions in lost deposits were contracting it. The Fed's inaction was the reason why the initial recession turned into a prolonged depression.

* The economy continually sank throughout Hoover's entire term. Under Roosevelt's New Deal, it rose five out of seven years.

* Attempts to blame Big Government for the Depression do not withstand serious scrutiny. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff had a minor impact because trade formed only 6 percent of the U.S. economy, and reducing trade gave Americans only that much more money to spend domestically. Hoover's other attempts at government intervention came mostly during his last year in office, when the Depression was already at its depth.

* The first nations to come out of the Great Depression -- Sweden, Germany, Great Britain, and then everyone else -- did so after they adopted the Keynesian solution of heavy deficit government spending.

* Keynesian economic policies have eliminated the depression from the world's economies in the six decades that have followed."

Summary

Timeline of the Great Depression
The Great Depression, to 1935
The Main Causes of the Great Depression
Stiff upper lip.
Amazon.com: The Great Depression and the New Deal: A Very Short Introduction (Very Short Introductions): Eric Rauchway: Books

Does anyone else see the irony in the liberals looking to a single thread for an analysis or analogy of the current conservative viewpoint? Is there any need to wonder why liberals fail at everything they do when a single thread comes to represent thinking and the fools then give many thanks for it. Too funny.


no shit, huh?

 

[midcan5]

Does anyone else see the irony in the liberals looking to a single thread for an analysis or analogy of the current conservative viewpoint? Is there any need to wonder why liberals fail at everything they do when a single thread comes to represent thinking and the fools then give many thanks for it. Too funny.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

For all others check the links.

 

[del]

Does anyone else see the irony in the liberals looking to a single thread for an analysis or analogy of the current conservative viewpoint? Is there any need to wonder why liberals fail at everything they do when a single thread comes to represent thinking and the fools then give many thanks for it. Too funny.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

For all others check the links.

of course it is.