16 new kills to Obama's credit.

[Mr. Shaman]

As far as I'm concerned, the killer put the lives of every American in Afghanistan in heightened risk, including some friends of mine. And judging by the rhetoric now coming out of both the Left and Right in America, and the expected reaction from Afghanis, he may also have set back our relations with that country more than a hundred years.

Muslims still talk about Christian butcheries which took place during the Crusades three quarters of a millenia ago.

We should put the killer's head on a pike outside the base.

Ah, yes.....some o' that good ol' "conservative" mental-health care, for someone who was recycled (too-many-times) in full-blown combat-zones!!!

Use 'em UP, and throw 'em OUT.....so Mitt's boys aren't put-at-risk!!!!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHUSQwZ6gWo]Mitt Romney on 60 Minutes with Mike Wallace - Five Brothers - YouTube[/ame]​

When has obama ever taken a risk that would affect him?

I give-up.

When?​

 

[Full-Auto]

I repeat myself for the slow of wit.

Obama ordered the attack on bin Laden. He did not order the attack on these 16 civilians.

He is the CIC, he is as much responsible as GW was for those lude photos of the prisoners.

Double standards will not be tolerated.

Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand the military. This soldier allegedly broke the Law, the UCMJ. He will be tried, and if convicted, punished. The FACT that he will be tried shows that he did NOT follow orders from his superior officers all the way up to the CinC. Those SEALS that nabbed Osama WERE following orders from their Superior Officers including the CinC.

Dont understand? I would think my 6 years in the infantry would dismiss such a notion. If you had bother reading my remarks on the subject you would realize the fallacy of your argument.

They are soldiers not policeman. That was a summary, though I doubt you could take it from there.

 

[Intense]

How is this "to Obama's credit"?

What exactly did Obama have to do with this at all?

About as much as he did with the SEALS killing Bin Laden.... it's ludicrous.

I repeat myself for the slow of wit.

Obama ordered the attack on bin Laden. He did not order the attack on these 16 civilians.

You mean he signed off on it.

 

[bodecea]

He is the CIC, he is as much responsible as GW was for those lude photos of the prisoners.

Double standards will not be tolerated.

Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand the military. This soldier allegedly broke the Law, the UCMJ. He will be tried, and if convicted, punished. The FACT that he will be tried shows that he did NOT follow orders from his superior officers all the way up to the CinC. Those SEALS that nabbed Osama WERE following orders from their Superior Officers including the CinC.

Dont understand? I would think my 6 years in the infantry would dismiss such a notion. If you had bother reading my remarks on the subject you would realize the fallacy of your argument.

They are soldiers not policeman. That was a summary, though I doubt you could take it from there.

Well, sad to say, your 6 years were wasted if you didn't learn anything about the UCMJ. Tell us again how anyone NOT following orders, NOT following the law is under orders from their CinC?

Their disobedience puts them outside the pale of "following orders" and they are disciplined accordingly.

BTW, my main groundpounder job my first 3 years in was Squadron Legal Officer.....you?

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand the military. This soldier allegedly broke the Law, the UCMJ. He will be tried, and if convicted, punished. The FACT that he will be tried shows that he did NOT follow orders from his superior officers all the way up to the CinC. Those SEALS that nabbed Osama WERE following orders from their Superior Officers including the CinC.

Dont understand? I would think my 6 years in the infantry would dismiss such a notion. If you had bother reading my remarks on the subject you would realize the fallacy of your argument.

They are soldiers not policeman. That was a summary, though I doubt you could take it from there.

Well, sad to say, your 6 years were wasted if you didn't learn anything about the UCMJ. Tell us again how anyone NOT following orders, NOT following the law is under orders from their CinC?

Their disobedience puts them outside the pale of "following orders" and they are disciplined accordingly.

BTW, my main groundpounder job my first 3 years in was Squadron Legal Officer.....you?

The term ground pounder fits you perfectly.

Just sayin

 

[Mac1958]

This isn't even "spinning" for Bush. This is kind of vulture behavior, really. Neither Bush nor Obama was responsible for what this guy did.

Agreed. My point is that the hardcore right knows damn well that this and many other horrors would not have happened if we were not there in the first place. They recognize that, and immediately set out to do preemptive damage control and divert by pointing the finger at Obama.

I'm accustomed to the non-stop intellectual dishonesty that is contemporary political discourse -- not that I like it -- but when it comes to the lives, limbs and minds of thousands of American soldiers and the pain to their families, I'm not as forgiving. I'm sick of it.

.

Excuse me, but I think you could use a little lesson in intellectual dishonesty as well. Obama has been in office for three years now, over three years. He could have pulled us out of there at any time he so desired, and he has not. Tell me, when does he own anything that's going on currently? Ever? Maybe after 8 years in office? Or will you people still be going back to Bush even then? Get a grasp on reality, Obama owns anything that happens on his watch, that's what grown adults do, they take responsibility.

None of this, none of it, would be happening if Bush had not put us there. I can only imagine how much effort it takes to avoid that, I realize it makes it tougher to play the standard political games, but it is a fact.

And, once again, since I'm not a partisan sheep I don't need to spin. Obama should have gotten us out of there by now, but he's dealing with a horrific situation, kind of like the economy. Yanking us out of there may have done more harm than good, AFTER Bush got us in there. The fact is, I don't know.

If Bush hadn't put us there, Obama would not have had anything to screw up, if that's indeed what he's doing. Kind of like the economy.

The only difference is, Bush's wars have destroyed thousands of American lives in a way a bad economy cannot.

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[Full-Auto]

Unfortunately, you don't seem to understand the military. This soldier allegedly broke the Law, the UCMJ. He will be tried, and if convicted, punished. The FACT that he will be tried shows that he did NOT follow orders from his superior officers all the way up to the CinC. Those SEALS that nabbed Osama WERE following orders from their Superior Officers including the CinC.

Dont understand? I would think my 6 years in the infantry would dismiss such a notion. If you had bother reading my remarks on the subject you would realize the fallacy of your argument.

They are soldiers not policeman. That was a summary, though I doubt you could take it from there.

Well, sad to say, your 6 years were wasted if you didn't learn anything about the UCMJ. Tell us again how anyone NOT following orders, NOT following the law is under orders from their CinC?

Their disobedience puts them outside the pale of "following orders" and they are disciplined accordingly.

BTW, my main groundpounder job my first 3 years in was Squadron Legal Officer.....you?

Oh jesus dip shit. You dont even know my position.

 

[bodecea]

Dont understand? I would think my 6 years in the infantry would dismiss such a notion. If you had bother reading my remarks on the subject you would realize the fallacy of your argument.

They are soldiers not policeman. That was a summary, though I doubt you could take it from there.

Well, sad to say, your 6 years were wasted if you didn't learn anything about the UCMJ. Tell us again how anyone NOT following orders, NOT following the law is under orders from their CinC?

Their disobedience puts them outside the pale of "following orders" and they are disciplined accordingly.

BTW, my main groundpounder job my first 3 years in was Squadron Legal Officer.....you?

The term ground pounder fits you perfectly.

Just sayin

I should have said "Black Shoe", but I figured non-Navy wouldn't understand.

But I'm sure you aren't too happy associating with a Legal Officer? Too many bad memories?

 

[g5000]

As far as I'm concerned, the killer put the lives of every American in Afghanistan in heightened risk, including some friends of mine. And judging by the rhetoric now coming out of both the Left and Right in America, and the expected reaction from Afghanis, he may also have set back our relations with that country more than a hundred years.

Muslims still talk about Christian butcheries which took place during the Crusades three quarters of a millenia ago.

We should put the killer's head on a pike outside the base.

So it's only okay for Muslims to commit atrocities??? Is that it???

How the fuck did you get THAT out of my post?

Stop listening to the voices in your head. That's how people end up going on insane rampages.

 

[HUGGY]

As far as I'm concerned, the killer put the lives of every American in Afghanistan in heightened risk, including some friends of mine. And judging by the rhetoric now coming out of both the Left and Right in America, and the expected reaction from Afghanis, he may also have set back our relations with that country more than a hundred years.

Muslims still talk about Christian butcheries which took place during the Crusades three quarters of a millenia ago.

We should put the killer's head on a pike outside the base.

Ah, yes.....some o' that good ol' "conservative" mental-health care, for someone who was recycled (too-many-times) in full-blown combat-zones!!!

Use 'em UP, and throw 'em OUT.....so Mitt's boys aren't put-at-risk!!!!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qHUSQwZ6gWo]Mitt Romney on 60 Minutes with Mike Wallace - Five Brothers - YouTube[/ame]​

When has obama ever taken a risk that would affect him?

If the mission to get Ossama had failed it would have had the same effect as the Carter botched rescue attempt of the hostages. He wouldn't stand a chance of re-election. It was a gutsy call.

 

[Robert_Stephens]

It is for the left. You may be an exception but we have thread after thread on this board where the left has claimed some action was warranted because BOOOSH did it first. Or defense for Obama cause BOOOSH did it too.

It's stupid when either side does it.

I'm waiting for you to call out the OP like you're calling out "the left".

You mean like you call out Rdean, Truthmatters or their buddies? Like that?

Here let me be the bigger man, Obama had nothing to do with the death of ANY afghans no matter who kills them unless he personally ordered it.

Now remind me the next time you call out one of the left like Rdean or truthmatters.....

Hey Sarge, not flaming you or anything, but no matter what is retorted to who, the question remains for Boosh, Muslim Boy and any other supporter of same, what the fuck ARE WE doing in Afghanistan and why?

Adventurism, coupled to $15 Trillion in debt, is a death warrant for any culture and in this case, unprecedented in history. And no one is doing one fucking thing about it........

Glad I have a home in the Yucatan....

Tragic,

Robert

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Ah, yes.....some o' that good ol' "conservative" mental-health care, for someone who was recycled (too-many-times) in full-blown combat-zones!!!

Use 'em UP, and throw 'em OUT.....so Mitt's boys aren't put-at-risk!!!!
Mitt Romney on 60 Minutes with Mike Wallace - Five Brothers - YouTube​

When has obama ever taken a risk that would affect him?

If the mission to get Ossama had failed it would have had the same effect as the Carter botched rescue attempt of the hostages. He wouldn't stand a chance of re-election. It was a gutsy call.

What does that have to do with shitman post and my comment to shitmans post?

 

[theliq]

Afghans killing Americans = good, understandable and justifiable.

Americans killing Afghans = horrible, punish him.

What are the odds that this wigged out Sergeant was on drugs?

That comment Katz opens a whole PANDORA'S BOX Mmmmmm

 

[HUGGY]

When has obama ever taken a risk that would affect him?

If the mission to get Ossama had failed it would have had the same effect as the Carter botched rescue attempt of the hostages. He wouldn't stand a chance of re-election. It was a gutsy call.

What does that have to do with shitman post and my comment to shitmans post?

You could pretend you are not terminally stupid and possibly convince other of it by just not posting.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

If the mission to get Ossama had failed it would have had the same effect as the Carter botched rescue attempt of the hostages. He wouldn't stand a chance of re-election. It was a gutsy call.

What does that have to do with shitman post and my comment to shitmans post?

You could pretend you are not terminally stupid and possibly convince other of it by just not posting.

I know you are retarded with just the basic skills to type a few words
Shitman said Romney's son have never been at risk so I must ask
Why didn't obama serve in the military?

 

[Bfgrn]

You know, I very rarely include personal attacks in my posts on this board.

But you deserve it. You're a dumbass.

Want to see a dozen or so links where Bush was blamed for Abu Ghraib, loser?

Bush deserved criticism for Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, torture and starting a preemptive, preventative war of ideology. They were POLICY decisions. And to make things much worse, Bush and Cheney knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent - but covered the fact up for political reasons.

'They simply refused to release them out of fear of political repercussions' - Retired Army Col. Lawrence B. Wilkerson, who served as chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, testified.

Read more: Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent, former White House aide tells court | Mail Online

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

No mother would ever willingly sacrifice her sons for territorial gain, for economic advantage, for ideology.
Ronald Reagan

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You know, I very rarely include personal attacks in my posts on this board.

But you deserve it. You're a dumbass.

Want to see a dozen or so links where Bush was blamed for Abu Ghraib, loser?

Bush deserved criticism for Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, torture and starting a preemptive, preventative war of ideology. They were POLICY decisions. And to make things much worse, Bush and Cheney knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent - but covered the fact up for political reasons.

'They simply refused to release them out of fear of political repercussions' - Retired Army Col. Lawrence B. Wilkerson, who served as chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, testified.

Read more: Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent, former White House aide tells court | Mail Online

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

No mother would ever willingly sacrifice her sons for territorial gain, for economic advantage, for ideology.
Ronald Reagan

Bush deserved criticism for Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, torture and starting a preemptive, preventative war of ideology.

Then you agree obama get's the credit for these killings.

 

[Bfgrn]

Want to see a dozen or so links where Bush was blamed for Abu Ghraib, loser?

Bush deserved criticism for Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, torture and starting a preemptive, preventative war of ideology. They were POLICY decisions. And to make things much worse, Bush and Cheney knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent - but covered the fact up for political reasons.

'They simply refused to release them out of fear of political repercussions' - Retired Army Col. Lawrence B. Wilkerson, who served as chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, testified.

Read more: Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent, former White House aide tells court | Mail Online

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

No mother would ever willingly sacrifice her sons for territorial gain, for economic advantage, for ideology.
Ronald Reagan

Bush deserved criticism for Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, torture and starting a preemptive, preventative war of ideology.

Then you agree obama get's the credit for these killings.

No, this was not a POLICY decision.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Bush deserved criticism for Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, torture and starting a preemptive, preventative war of ideology. They were POLICY decisions. And to make things much worse, Bush and Cheney knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent - but covered the fact up for political reasons.

'They simply refused to release them out of fear of political repercussions' - Retired Army Col. Lawrence B. Wilkerson, who served as chief of staff to Secretary of State Colin Powell, testified.

Read more: Bush, Cheney and Rumsfield knew Guantánamo prisoners were innocent, former White House aide tells court | Mail Online

Preventive war was an invention of Hitler. Frankly, I would not even listen to anyone seriously that came and talked about such a thing.
Dwight D. Eisenhower

No mother would ever willingly sacrifice her sons for territorial gain, for economic advantage, for ideology.
Ronald Reagan

Bush deserved criticism for Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, torture and starting a preemptive, preventative war of ideology.

Then you agree obama get's the credit for these killings.

No, this was not a POLICY decision.

Who sent those troops there?

 

[Mac1958]

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Hey, wait a minute. I thought the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan were the "right thing to do". Why is it all of a sudden that the hardcore right is whining about what happens there? I thought the chance to blow the shit out of countries we don't like is a "good" thing. The more explosions, bullets and blood the better, even if the blood is ours.

Plus, there were more needless deaths here. I thought that was a righteous thing.

What's going on here, is the hardcore right suddenly wussing out?

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