14 Wacky "Facts" Kids Will Learn in Louisiana's Voucher Schools

[squeeze berry]

squeez, please give us the whole story. Give us a link. Any administrator immediately would have had the police on the boy for possessing child pornography and had the parents in court for slander and damaging his good name.

'Sexting' Hysteria Falsely Brands Educator as Child Pornographer | Threat Level | Wired.com

not quite as I described, but close enough

The mom made the porn possession accusation because the administrator would not drop the suspension for the other incident. Nevermind the image was from the kid's phone to begin with.

PS that is why I belong to a union, which is actually an association. For legal protection if there is ever a false accusation.

Parents in the county love to make accusations.

 

[squeeze berry]

Minnesota is California? When did that happen?

{Districts are also hamstrung by the dismissal process, forced to complete 10 complex steps that can last years. Once a district moves to terminate, appeals may be filed to a review panel and the courts.

Commissions on Professional Competence are often difficult to convene and can hinder the termination process altogether. They are comprised of an administrative law judge, and 2 educators, 1 appointed by the district and 1 appointed by the accused. It is often tough even to find panelists to serve. Even when there is merit, these panels can overturn findings of wrongdoing and termination orders. Violations of notification requirements and technicalities can also lead to a case being dismissed.5}

California Fact Check

It is virtually impossible to fire a teacher in California.

I thought you just said it wasn't possible to fire a teacher in California. Why would they convene a commission to determine whether or not to fire a teacher when firing them isn't allowed?

As in New York, the teacher is dismissed from their teaching position. They are paid their salary and benefits and do not lose their pension if vested.
Google "rubber room". In New York City this is where "fired" or otherwise disciplined teachers go so that they can continue to paid their salary and assure their benefits.
In other words, bad teachers can not teach but the taxpayers are still paying them. What a deal!!!!

NYC is not the whole country and the rubber room is defunt over two years. Never lasted that long.
One instance of this and the"teachers can't be fired " myth is borrn.SMH


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/education/29rubber.html?_r=1

 

[JakeStarkey]

Thanks. We always advised as a Board that the Supe and the administrators and staff and teachers immediately consult counsel and counter-sue parental suits.

We as a district counter-sued a parent's suit.

The guy went almost crazy but did drop the suit.

I thought you just said it wasn't possible to fire a teacher in California. Why would they convene a commission to determine whether or not to fire a teacher when firing them isn't allowed?

As in New York, the teacher is dismissed from their teaching position. They are paid their salary and benefits and do not lose their pension if vested.
Google "rubber room". In New York City this is where "fired" or otherwise disciplined teachers go so that they can continue to paid their salary and assure their benefits.
In other words, bad teachers can not teach but the taxpayers are still paying them. What a deal!!!!

NYC is not the whole country and the rubber room is defunt over two years. Never lasted that long.
One instance of this and the"teachers can't be fired " myth is borrn.SMH


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/education/29rubber.html?_r=1

 

[AVG-JOE]

lets see......

private education......vs..... public education.


ill take private over public any day of the week.

Same here!!

It's fortunate for me that The People were willing to invest in educating the masses when I was growing up. My family would not have been able to afford a private education for myself and my siblings.

I'm lucky and I know it. I'm a grown-up now, I pay taxes and I'm thankful for the opportunities my measly public education opened for me.

 

[Uncensored2008]

NYC is not the whole country and the rubber room is defunt over two years. Never lasted that long.
One instance of this and the"teachers can't be fired " myth is borrn.SMH


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/education/29rubber.html?_r=1

I specified "California."

Some areas of the country have different rules; such as South Riding, Virginia - per your anecdote.

 

[thereisnospoon]

I thought you just said it wasn't possible to fire a teacher in California. Why would they convene a commission to determine whether or not to fire a teacher when firing them isn't allowed?

As in New York, the teacher is dismissed from their teaching position. They are paid their salary and benefits and do not lose their pension if vested.
Google "rubber room". In New York City this is where "fired" or otherwise disciplined teachers go so that they can continue to paid their salary and assure their benefits.
In other words, bad teachers can not teach but the taxpayers are still paying them. What a deal!!!!

NYC is not the whole country and the rubber room is defunt over two years. Never lasted that long.
One instance of this and the"teachers can't be fired " myth is borrn.SMH


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/education/29rubber.html?_r=1

New Jersey teachers once tenured cannot be fired save for a few very serious infractions and then a lengthy process must be endured before the teacher is discharged. Discharged with benefits and pension intact.
I am guessing NJ is not the only state where such rules can be found.
In any event, how you could take my post and turn it into a point on which to argue is a mystery.
Have you EVER carried on a conversation without arguing or bickering? Jesus Christ.

 

[Uncensored2008]

New Jersey teachers once tenured cannot be fired save for a few very serious infractions and then a lengthy process must be endured before the teacher is discharged. Discharged with benefits and pension intact.
I am guessing NJ is not the only state where such rules can be found.
In any event, how you could take my post and turn it into a point on which to argue is a mystery.
Have you EVER carried on a conversation without arguing or bickering? Jesus Christ.

So the "Dark Blue" states, where public employee unions run everything, make it virtually impossible to fire teachers - or any public master in any job.

In California, the public masters know that the public is THEIR servant, and will serve them without question.

 

[squeeze berry]

As in New York, the teacher is dismissed from their teaching position. They are paid their salary and benefits and do not lose their pension if vested.
Google "rubber room". In New York City this is where "fired" or otherwise disciplined teachers go so that they can continue to paid their salary and assure their benefits.
In other words, bad teachers can not teach but the taxpayers are still paying them. What a deal!!!!

NYC is not the whole country and the rubber room is defunt over two years. Never lasted that long.
One instance of this and the"teachers can't be fired " myth is borrn.SMH


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/education/29rubber.html?_r=1

New Jersey teachers once tenured cannot be fired save for a few very serious infractions and then a lengthy process must be endured before the teacher is discharged. Discharged with benefits and pension intact.
I am guessing NJ is not the only state where such rules can be found.
In any event, how you could take my post and turn it into a point on which to argue is a mystery.
Have you EVER carried on a conversation without arguing or bickering? Jesus Christ.

the problem is that you are not as informed as you believe

 

[thereisnospoon]

NYC is not the whole country and the rubber room is defunt over two years. Never lasted that long.
One instance of this and the"teachers can't be fired " myth is borrn.SMH


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/education/29rubber.html?_r=1

New Jersey teachers once tenured cannot be fired save for a few very serious infractions and then a lengthy process must be endured before the teacher is discharged. Discharged with benefits and pension intact.
I am guessing NJ is not the only state where such rules can be found.
In any event, how you could take my post and turn it into a point on which to argue is a mystery.
Have you EVER carried on a conversation without arguing or bickering? Jesus Christ.

the problem is that you are not as informed as you believe

Oh? If one of your students offered an answer to a question or as a response to an observation such as the one you just gave me you would...?

 

[thereisnospoon]

NYC is not the whole country and the rubber room is defunt over two years. Never lasted that long.
One instance of this and the"teachers can't be fired " myth is borrn.SMH


http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/29/education/29rubber.html?_r=1

New Jersey teachers once tenured cannot be fired save for a few very serious infractions and then a lengthy process must be endured before the teacher is discharged. Discharged with benefits and pension intact.
I am guessing NJ is not the only state where such rules can be found.
In any event, how you could take my post and turn it into a point on which to argue is a mystery.
Have you EVER carried on a conversation without arguing or bickering? Jesus Christ.

the problem is that you are not as informed as you believe

Should teachers get tenure?
Dues and Don’ts | Teachers Union Facts
http://www.njea.org/news/2012/08/06/a win-win for students teachers and the public....\
Know your role.

 

[squeeze berry]

New Jersey teachers once tenured cannot be fired save for a few very serious infractions and then a lengthy process must be endured before the teacher is discharged. Discharged with benefits and pension intact.
I am guessing NJ is not the only state where such rules can be found.
In any event, how you could take my post and turn it into a point on which to argue is a mystery.
Have you EVER carried on a conversation without arguing or bickering? Jesus Christ.

the problem is that you are not as informed as you believe

Should teachers get tenure?
Dues and Don’ts | Teachers Union Facts
http://www.njea.org/news/2012/08/06/a win-win for students teachers and the public....\
Know your role.

anyone can link to articles.

 

[thereisnospoon]

the problem is that you are not as informed as you believe

Should teachers get tenure?
Dues and Don’ts | Teachers Union Facts
http://www.njea.org/news/2012/08/06/a win-win for students teachers and the public....\
Know your role.

anyone can link to articles.

Yeah. It kind of sucks when the facts leave you without a rebuttal, doesn't it?
Hey genius, it appears my links to the facts trump your one liner bullshit.
Case closed. End of story.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Nonsense, spoon. Those facts are spun opinions. Teachers associations of workers have their place in the system. A slick business model for schools that place cost efficiency at the cost of learning is a greater loss because the students lose.

 

[regent]

Anyone know why states passed tenure laws?

 

[Uncensored2008]

Anyone know why states passed tenure laws?

Stupidity.

Tenure is a tradition in Universities that was designed to encourage academic freedom, allowing professors to explore topics that may not be popular with the public without fear that they would lose their positions.

Clearly, tenure is absurd when dealing with primary education.

 

[regent]

Anyone know why states passed tenure laws?

Stupidity.

Tenure is a tradition in Universities that was designed to encourage academic freedom, allowing professors to explore topics that may not be popular with the public without fear that they would lose their positions.

Clearly, tenure is absurd when dealing with primary education.

So is tenure similar to civil service, and was civil service an answer to academic freedom?

 

[Uncensored2008]

So is tenure similar to civil service, and was civil service an answer to academic freedom?

So, you're under the influence of psychoactive drugs at this very moment, then?

 

[Dr.Traveler]

Anyone know why states passed tenure laws?

Stupidity.

Tenure is a tradition in Universities that was designed to encourage academic freedom, allowing professors to explore topics that may not be popular with the public without fear that they would lose their positions.

Clearly, tenure is absurd when dealing with primary education.

So is tenure similar to civil service, and was civil service an answer to academic freedom?

Civil Service, as well as tenure, is meant to insulate government employees from political considerations. It's a benefit of the job. Like any benefit, if you want qualified young people to take up the profession, you'll either have to offer the benefit or offer monetary recompense to make up for it.

The biggest issue I see in education right now is why on Earth would anyone go into it at the primary education level? Between required lesson plans, paperwork, grading, and assigned extra curricular activities (which does happen now that teacher unions are weakened), the job is a 60-90 hour a week job. With weakened tenure, there's no real job security. You're vulnerable to lawsuits from parents. The starting pay is a joke. There is literally no community respect for the position and you're a constant bad guy for politicians looking to score points. Who on Earth wants to go into the job?

It's little wonder the burn out rate is so high for teachers.

 

[blimpo]

Stupidity.

Tenure is a tradition in Universities that was designed to encourage academic freedom, allowing professors to explore topics that may not be popular with the public without fear that they would lose their positions.

Clearly, tenure is absurd when dealing with primary education.

So is tenure similar to civil service, and was civil service an answer to academic freedom?

Civil Service, as well as tenure, is meant to insulate government employees from political considerations. It's a benefit of the job. Like any benefit, if you want qualified young people to take up the profession, you'll either have to offer the benefit or offer monetary recompense to make up for it.

The biggest issue I see in education right now is why on Earth would anyone go into it at the primary education level? Between required lesson plans, paperwork, grading, and assigned extra curricular activities (which does happen now that teacher unions are weakened), the job is a 60-90 hour a week job. With weakened tenure, there's no real job security. You're vulnerable to lawsuits from parents. The starting pay is a joke. There is literally no community respect for the position and you're a constant bad guy for politicians looking to score points. Who on Earth wants to go into the job?

It's little wonder the burn out rate is so high for teachers.

Those are the reasons, plus a couple more-

Assigning grades with tenure separates the teacher from pressure applied by parents or coaches within the system to keep someone elligilbe. That commonly occurs.

Enforcing rules and assigning discipline is no place to be without tenure. The wrong people in a small community can have you axed in a heartbeat.

Without tenure, when a kid says, "I'll have my mom come in and she'll have your job," it no longer is an empty threat. The fact that the kid is right erases any chance of a career in this field.
You are dealing with kids that have hormone spikes and mood swings every 5 minutes. They also don't have enough experience to handle anger.

Sound like your kind of job? I'm sure there'll be plenty of openings in the coming years..

 

[regent]

It seems the way to please the parents is to give out more A's, more compliments, make the parents feel good, after all they are they pay the teachers. Why do teachers seem to think the grades are theirs to give out like candy or they are giving money away? The grades are cost-free, and if a parent believes their child deserves a better grade why not? The end result would be a happier school, happier parents, happier adminsistration, happier community, happier kids and eventually happier teachers. Everybody happy, but the union thugs.