100% Renewable Energy Goal For Hawaii: Governor Signs Bill

[eagle1462010]

Hawaiian Electric Industries - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Shows the Islands electricity producers and how much they produce.....numbers of customers..........

Hawaii's cost per kwh is the highest in the United States.......Over 200% higher than second place already.......fossil fuels generate 84% of their power................

That's a tall order unless you don't care how much electricity costs....................or the goal of the leftist...........raise prices so high that you make residential alternate energy seem cheap.......................

If they succeed...........then a lot of people in Hawaii will just have to go for no power at all just like what is occurring in Europe.............

I don't live their............so I don't FRACKING CARES..............They pay 350% more per kwh than I do.............ENJOY!

 

[flacaltenn]

Seems like Hawaiians may have short memories.. From 1991.

Puna Geothermal Blowout | Blowout Shuts Geothermal Unit in Hawaii - Los Angeles Times

HONOLULU — Hawaii state officials ordered a geothermal company to halt all drilling Friday after a well blowout spewed toxic gas and routed 75 people from their homes on the island of Hawaii.

Opponents of geothermal drilling near the nation's last remaining tropical rain forest claimed the accident shows Hawaii's volcanic resource may be unmanageable.

The major potential of geothermal in Hawaii comes with a lot of enviro concerns. It's NOT green, NOR renewable.. It's actually a dirty mining operation..

Hydro (not really green either) would alter landscape and also create major land use concerns..

Sooooooo ----- How far ya think they're gonna get? What will happen (as it has in other Leftist paradises that have made these leaps) --- is that instead of burning oil and a little bit of coal -- they will convert those plants to burning GARBAGE and REFUSE --- and write a report justifying how that is MUCH better than burning oil or coal. And call it a success..

Because whatever they do with wind and solar -- they STILL NEED those big boilers as the reliable generation backbone..

 

[Old Rocks]

Perhaps you have not noticed that Hawaii is an island with no sources of fossil fuel. So all they use for transportation and electrical production is imported via ship. And they do not have enough land area to create a large river with large hydroelectric capacity. However, they do have lots of wind, waves, sunlight, and a very big volcanic reserve of heat.

What Hawaii is doing is the only sensible thing they can. And it will reduce the price of electricity, not raise it.

 

[Old Rocks]

Seems like Hawaiians may have short memories.. From 1991.

Puna Geothermal Blowout | Blowout Shuts Geothermal Unit in Hawaii - Los Angeles Times

HONOLULU — Hawaii state officials ordered a geothermal company to halt all drilling Friday after a well blowout spewed toxic gas and routed 75 people from their homes on the island of Hawaii.

Opponents of geothermal drilling near the nation's last remaining tropical rain forest claimed the accident shows Hawaii's volcanic resource may be unmanageable.

The major potential of geothermal in Hawaii comes with a lot of enviro concerns. It's NOT green, NOR renewable.. It's actually a dirty mining operation..

Hydro (not really green either) would alter landscape and also create major land use concerns..

Sooooooo ----- How far ya think they're gonna get? What will happen (as it has in other Leftist paradises that have made these leaps) --- is that instead of burning oil and a little bit of coal -- they will convert those plants to burning GARBAGE and REFUSE --- and write a report justifying how that is MUCH better than burning oil or coal. And call it a success..

Because whatever they do with wind and solar -- they STILL NEED those big boilers as the reliable generation backbone..

And what they do will prove you completely wrong.

 

[flacaltenn]

For all of ecofrauds pushing geothermal as clean and green ALTERNATIVE --- Take a look at the headlines folks in Hawaii see when they have to live NEXT to one of these dirty mining operations..

Including a lawsuit to relocate 25 homes the hell out of the toxic blowout zone..

Puna Geothermal Venture Big Island Now

Don't get me wrong. I LOVE ME some Geothermal mining.. But it should NEVER be treated differently than any other mining process and should be subject to the same EIReports and Enforcements.

 

[Old Rocks]

And who is claiming it should not be?

 

[flacaltenn]

Perhaps you have not noticed that Hawaii is an island with no sources of fossil fuel. So all they use for transportation and electrical production is imported via ship. And they do not have enough land area to create a large river with large hydroelectric capacity. However, they do have lots of wind, waves, sunlight, and a very big volcanic reserve of heat.

What Hawaii is doing is the only sensible thing they can. And it will reduce the price of electricity, not raise it.

U could easily create hydro drops in MANY places by damming mountain canyons and using up a lot a land. Unfortunately, a lot of that pristine space is already under protection. But being protected didn't stop the eco-frauds from dropping a toxic geothermal plant right at the edge of a rain forest preserve.

Hawaii is NOT Arizona.. Solar is not gonna be that reliable.
Not much in the way of tidal basins either.

Hold onto your wallets.. The adults are obviously not in charge in that state.

 

[flacaltenn]

And who is claiming it should not be?

Why every phoney list of Clean Green Alternatives contains Geothermal Generation..
("Things that don't Exist" for $400 please Alex)

Al Gore said that bunny rabbits and dandelion puffs come out of a geothermal well.

Not Clean. Not Green. But MIGHT be an alternative. It's really the hypocrisy and ignorance that alarms me O-Rocks. Because here's a f-ng FRACKING operation that is somehow BLESSED by the Green movement.

How does that phoney image persist? Eh?

 

[Old Rocks]

So far, Humans have harnessed the strength of the sun, water, and wind to generate clean electricity. Now, it may be time to take advantage of the earth’s capacity to provide renewable power. An interdisciplinary panel from MIT estimated that the United States could potentially produce 100,000 megawatts of geothermal energy within the next 50 years. The report estimates that 200,000 exajoules of energy could be captured from EGS (enhanced geothermal systems) by 2050 in the US alone – that’s roughly 2,000 times the total consumption of the country in 2005.

Currently, the United States and Iceland have large plants in the planning stages, and demonstration structures are popping up in France and Germany. Most of the hurdles facing the development of EGS consist of creating or retrofitting infrastructure, cost of production, and manufacturing pumps capable of handling high volumes water. At present, geothermal energy costs somewhere between ten cents to a dollar per kilowatt hour, depending on the terrain and operating system of where it is produced. While this is higher than the 6 cents per kilowatt hour for coal, the price gap may start to lessen if cap-and-trade policies go into effect. Considering the impact of fossil fuels on the environment and the costs associated with health and climate change, EGS may eventually become a lot cheaper.

Read more: MIT Study Shows Geothermal Could Produce 100,000 Megawatts of Energy in the US Within 50 Years | Inhabitat - Sustainable Design Innovation, Eco Architecture, Green Building

Somehow I think the scientists at MIT are more credible than a flap yap poster on the internet.

 

[Old Rocks]

In Depth
Neal Hot Springs is located in Eastern Oregon near the town of Vale, the county seat of Malheur County. An annual average 22 net megawatt power plant, consisting of three separate, 7.33 net megawatt modules, has been constructed and is undergoing commissioning. The facility achieved commercial operation under the terms of the power purchase agreement on November 16, 2012. Turbine upgrades made during April and May reduced plant and unit availability during the quarter with 38 days lost by individual modules attributable to this work. Overall plant availability was 72.2%. Additionally, two months of the quarter (April and May) have reduced power price under the terms of the PPA, and unusually high temperatures adversely impacted power generation. Generation from the facility during the second quarter of 2013 totaled 30,015 megawatt-hours. On June 27, 2013, the Company accepted substantial completion by the EPC contractor of all three of the Neal Hot Springs units.

US Geothermal Inc Projects

The first of many in Oregon

 

[martybegan]

Hawaiians got lotsa money. They won't mind what this "green" electricity is going to cost them.

Will they?

Actually they get to "cheat" when it comes to renewables because of the available geo-thermal.

But don't worry, it will take a decade to get the EIS packages through because of all the holes you have to dig.

 

[Old Rocks]

Project started in 2009, producing electricity in 2013.

 

[flacaltenn]

So far, Humans have harnessed the strength of the sun, water, and wind to generate clean electricity. Now, it may be time to take advantage of the earth’s capacity to provide renewable power. An interdisciplinary panel from MIT estimated that the United States could potentially produce 100,000 megawatts of geothermal energy within the next 50 years. The report estimates that 200,000 exajoules of energy could be captured from EGS (enhanced geothermal systems) by 2050 in the US alone – that’s roughly 2,000 times the total consumption of the country in 2005.

Currently, the United States and Iceland have large plants in the planning stages, and demonstration structures are popping up in France and Germany. Most of the hurdles facing the development of EGS consist of creating or retrofitting infrastructure, cost of production, and manufacturing pumps capable of handling high volumes water. At present, geothermal energy costs somewhere between ten cents to a dollar per kilowatt hour, depending on the terrain and operating system of where it is produced. While this is higher than the 6 cents per kilowatt hour for coal, the price gap may start to lessen if cap-and-trade policies go into effect. Considering the impact of fossil fuels on the environment and the costs associated with health and climate change, EGS may eventually become a lot cheaper.

Read more: MIT Study Shows Geothermal Could Produce 100,000 Megawatts of Energy in the US Within 50 Years | Inhabitat - Sustainable Design Innovation, Eco Architecture, Green Building

Somehow I think the scientists at MIT are more credible than a flap yap poster on the internet.

Flap Yap on the Internet eh? Know what that would be exactly GoldiRocks? It's a guy that reads a blog article - that references an MIT study and probably never even bothered to FIND the study or read even the Executive Summary..

Study up sucker --- http://geothermal.inel.gov/publications/future_of_geothermal_energy.pdf

You claim to be a geo-student-scientist, so you should know that surveys and capacity estimates of ANYTHING under the ground should be taken with a big block of salt..

That said --- HURRAY for GeoThermal.. Just TELL FOLKS THE TRUTH about what it is (Fracking) and it's huge risks.

BTW --- Lots of iffy statements in that report. Even in the 1st 20 pages. Like the citation for the "success" of a French installation that yielded "within a factor of 2 or 3 the original estimated capacity".. OOOOPSie..
Could all these outrageous claims and near failures of inflated claims be the reason why there's no goldrush to GeoThermal??? Less drama, more actual realism.. That would be a much better plan..

A couple pages into the report -- you'll find the MAP of estimated US capacity -- and you don't have to be geologist to realize that the Eastern 2/3 of this country ain't gonna see JackCrap out of this technology. At least -- not unless they start mining operations under National Forests and your local WalMart..


So O-Rocks ---- THIS is where you read a bit of the ACTUAL study you flap-yapped on me and TRY TO nail me on ANY ERRORS I've made.

That's how this Enviro Discussion stuff is supposed to go..

 

[flacaltenn]

BTW O-Rocks -- You dodged my question about why folks believe that GeoThermal is CLEAN GREEN alternative? How is it that they don't know it's a mining operation uses (often) a LOT of water and suffering blow-outs and rotting piping from all the corrosion. And is not technically renewable -- unless you constantly drill new holes or extend old ones?

Could it be that flap Yaps like you ALLOW all that over-selling?
i'm all for it.. But as an environmentalist, I want folks to KNOW what they are funding before the riots occur after they discover they've been purposely misled...