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    I've been spending some time today reviewing the lists compiled in both Britain and the U.S. regarding who are considered to be the greatest citizens of each country.

    Looking at the top 10 of each, the differences are, to me, quite striking and give rise to some questions /observations which I thought I'd share.

    • There is only one British Prime Minister, but there are 6 U.S. Presidents. Are politicians held in greater esteem in the US than in Britain?
    • With the possible exceptions of Diana and maybe John Lennon, I suspect the British list could be very similar in 2025. What about the American one?
    • There are no living people on the British list, and 3 on the American one. Is this purely a reflection of the fact that Britain is an older country, or is there more to it?
    • Without wanting to descend into party politics (every thread seems to end up as a pissing contest - it might be nice if one didn't) which people outside the top 10 do you believe should be in the top 10, and vice versa (click the links to see the remainder of the top 100 for each). For my part, with the exception of Diana, I can live with the British top 10.
    • Lastly, what people from other countries do you think might be included in a global Top 50? Nelson Mandela? Mother Theresa? Louis Pasteur? Vincent Van Gogh? Sigmund Freud? Or going further back...Alexander the Great? Pythagoras?

    GREAT BRITONS............................................................GREAT AMERICANS
    1.....Sir Winston Churchill (1874 - 1965)..............................1.....Ronald Reagan (1911 - 2004)
    2.....Isambard Kingdom Brunel (1806 - 1859).......................2.....Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865)
    3.....Diana, Princess of Wales ((1961 - 1997)........................3.....Martin Luther King Jr. (1929 - 1968)
    4.....Charles Darwin (1809 - 1882)......................................4.....George Washington (1732 - 1799)
    5.....William Shakespeare (1564 - 1616)..............................5.....Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790)
    6.....Sir Isaac Newton (1643 - 1727)...................................6.....George W Bush (b. 1946)
    7.....Queen Elizabeth 1 (1533 - 1603)..................................7.....Bill Clinton (b. 1946)
    8.....John Lennon (1940 - 1980)..........................................8.....Elvis Presley (1935 - 1977)
    9.....Vice Admiral Horatio Nelson (1758 - 1805)....................9.....Oprah Winfrey (b. 1954)
    10...Oliver Cromwell (1599 - 1658)....................................10....Franklin D Roosevelt (1882 - 1945)

    The Greatest American - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    100 Greatest Britons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
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    I don't think that any of the 3 living persons will be on the list in 2025, and I don't know what Elvis Presley is doing on the list, either.
     
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    What a couple crap-ass lists.
    I'm not familiar enough with England to offer up some more important people, but c'mon, Princess Diana and John Lennon? Ones a whore and the other is just a musician.

    And for the the US, Elvis, Oprah, Bill Clinton, George Bush. WTF is that? How about Thomas Paine, Thomas Jefferson and James Madison?
     
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    Diana is way too high on the britain list. Darwin and Shakespeare should both be higher. John Lennon will be on that list in 2025 if his music continues to endure like it has.

    The American list is complete bullshit.

    Reagan at #1?! :cuckoo:

    Abraham Lincoln at #2? The man who never actually freed the slaves.

    MLK Jr. at #3 I like.

    George Washington at #4 is alright I suppose, but I wouldn't give him that high of a spot in any other list.

    Benjamin Franklin would be more of a #7.

    The Fact Dubya is on this list makes the American one entirely invalid. If Dubya is one of the "greatest citizens" this country has ever had along with Reagan then I'll eat my hat. The only real polits on both lists is Churchill, Washington, and FDR. FDR at #10 is fine, though I could see him at #9 too.

    I would of put JFK at #10 most likely.

    I have a feeling that Patton should be on that list.

    And Oprah is on the list too along with Willy? :cuckoo:

    Elvis is on there too? :cuckoo:

    These wacky lists make me want to make my own.
     
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    I would agree about Diana (though I think whore is rather unnecessary) and to a degree about John Lennon. I would have liked to have seen Michael Faraday in the Top 10. And the one living Briton I think might deserve a place someday is Stephen Hawking.
     
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    Why would anyone say Lincoln was a great American? He shouldn't even be in the running.
     
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    I should have said slut, she didn't charge for sleeping around.:D
     
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    Yes, I must agree that I have several issues with the US list, but since both were compiled by public vote I find it strange that the American one leans so much more heavily towards party politics, in particular modern party politics.

    Then again, as I never saw the TV show, I can't really comment further.

    Though I will say that off the top of my head I can think of a number of eminent American scientists who have contributed a huge amount to our advancement as a species whose omission from the Top 10 does the US a disservice. Pity.
     
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    23% of the "millions" who voted would disagree with you.
     
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    Well, he did set forth the great movement to institute massive federal control to usurp states rights.
     
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