0th anniversary of VJ Day: Thank the atomic bomb for saving millions of lives

[Unkotare]

...You are against using nukes,.....

I didn't say that. A detonation over Tokyo Bay or a rural area might have made quite an impression.

 

[Unkotare]

..... you are against invading as well. ....

Not when necessary. There were many alternatives to that as well.

 

[Unkotare]

... Would you recommend a multi-year blockade that would result in the starvation deaths of a large percentage of the Japanese civilians ...

The people there were already starving. It would not likely have taken years more.

 

[Unkotare]

... as well as ALL the allied POWS in Japan ...

But you don't mind the American POWs killed by the atomic bombs?

 

[Unkotare]

...while the IJA continued to slaughter civilians in occupied China, Korea, South East Asia and the Dutch East Indies?

Oh, was the US military a mercenary force working for those countries?

 

[Ringo]

What's your alternative? You are against using nukes, you are against invading as well.

The U.S. could have waited three days for the Soviet Union to declare war on Japan. After that, the japanese realized that they had no more chances.
But maybe the U.S. thought that the Soviet Union, which had promised to open hostilities against Japan three months after the defeat of Germany, would not do so? So it would act like the US and England who promised to open the Second Front in 1942 and 1943 but failed to fulfill that promise?
I don't think so, the bomb was used just before the USSR entered the war to show those russians, that Uncle Sam had a new big stick. And that was the main reason for using the bomb.
Well, other than to test the results of using atomic weapons against the population, after all, lots of money was spent on Manhattan project
Again, the USSR going to war with Japan meant a quick defeat, but the U.S. didn't wait for that to happen.

 

[2aguy]

No one says that.

No.....but in a war civilians are going to get killed.....more when their side is filled with evil assholes like the socialists in Germany and the Imperial Japanese....

They murdered millions......and the only way to stop them was to kill enough of them to make them stop....

 

[2aguy]

So you ARE happy that German civilians were killed? You approve of what the Soviet army did in Germany at the end of the war? Is that the kind of person you are?

Again....you complain endlessly about the Japanese who died because of their government starting a war, but never chime in to defend the German people......people who always are said to be culpable for the actions of the socialists in control of their government....well, buddy, that goes the same for the Japanese people, whose government slaughtered millions of innocents and enslaved millions more....

 

[2aguy]

The U.S. could have waited three days for the Soviet Union to declare war on Japan. After that, the japanese realized that they had no more chances.
But maybe the U.S. thought that the Soviet Union, which had promised to open hostilities against Japan three months after the defeat of Germany, would not do so? So it would act like the US and England who promised to open the Second Front in 1942 and 1943 but failed to fulfill that promise?
I don't think so, the bomb was used just before the USSR entered the war to show those russians, that Uncle Sam had a new big stick. And that was the main reason for using the bomb.
Well, other than to test the results of using atomic weapons against the population, after all, lots of money was spent on Manhattan project
Again, the USSR going to war with Japan meant a quick defeat, but the U.S. didn't wait for that to happen.

No, we couldn't wait, the Soviets were taking control of too much territory without engaging the Japanese.....

The bomb was going to be used on the Germans, you dumb ass...but they actually surrendered......

Again, the USSR going to war with Japan meant a quick defeat, but the U.S. didn't wait for that to happen.

Are you this stupid in real life or just when you post?

We ended the war in 3 days ..........

 

[2aguy]

So you ARE happy that German civilians were killed? You approve of what the Soviet army did in Germany at the end of the war? Is that the kind of person you are?

So......110,000 Japanese were killed in the bombings...........and the war ended in 3 days.

Counting the dead at Hiroshima and Nagasaki

How many people really died because of the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings? It’s complicated. There are at least two credible answers.

thebulletin.org

German deaths from conventional bombing were around 500,000.......

And had we started dropping conventional bombs across the entirety of Japan to make them surrender their death toll would have likely been higher than 500,000......

 

[Ringo]

We ended the war in 3 days ..........

Back in sticks in 46... Back in Heaven in 47.
You are ignorant moron.

 

[ThirdTerm]

Historians made many arguments for the use of atomic bombs after the war. But Truman said that he had no choice but to give a greenlight because of the immense costs of the atomic project that amounted to $20 billion. The US spent $30 billion on bombs and grenades in the entire war. The price tag was $10 billion per atomic bomb. It was about saving money, not lives.

The Costs of the Manhattan Project | Brookings

The U.S. Nuclear Weapons Cost Study Project was completed in August 1998 and resulted in the book Atomic Audit: The Costs and Consequences of U.S. Nuclear Weapons Since 1940 edited by Stephen I. Schwartz. These project pages should be considered historical. – All figures in constant 1996 dollars...

www.brookings.edu

 

[Unkotare]

..... the only way to stop them was to kill enough of them to make them stop....

You want (need?) to believe incinerating hundreds of thousands of civilians was "the only way."

 

[RetiredGySgt]

That would have been a bad idea.

thats what you advocate when you say no bombs and no invasion.

 

[Unkotare]

Again....you complain endlessly about the Japanese who died .........

Merely pointing out that there IS a moral element to the topic at hand is "complaining endlessly"? What next? Are you going to claim that even questioning a dire moral decision, much as a great many military and political leaders of the day did, is "hating America" or some such stupidity? Some people seem to want an "Affirmation Forum" rather than a "History Forum."

 

[Unkotare]

thats what you advocate when you say no bombs and no invasion.

Liar.

 

[Unkotare]

...war, but never chime in to defend the German people......

How many atomic bombs did we drop on German civilians?

 

[Unkotare]

Historians made many arguments for the use of atomic bombs after the war. But Truman had no choice but to give a greenlight because the immense costs of the atomic project amounted to $20 billion. The US spent $30 billion on bombs and grenades in the entire war. The price tag is $10 billion per atomic bomb.

"Had no choice"
He had a choice, he did not have a spine.

 

[2aguy]

How many atomic bombs did we drop on German civilians?

We didnt have them....we were building them to drop on the Germans....we killed 500,000 Germans with bombs so why should the Japanese who actually started the jave been spared?

 

[2aguy]

How many atomic bombs did we drop on German civilians?

Hiroshima and nagasaki were military targets.......