Zone1 Young people now among the most antisemitic

[JoeB131]

Dresden, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were all legitimate military targets.

No, they weren't. Dresden was bombed when Germany was effectively defeated. Hiroshima was bombed when Japan was actively seeking terms of surrender. The city was spared from bombing just so the people in charge of the A-bomb program would have an unspoiled city to measure the effects.

My Lai was a war crime and the commander Lt. Calley was prosecuted for it.

By "prosecuted", you mean he had to spend three years under house arrest at Ft. Benning before Nixon pardoned him. The officers above him weren't punished (although it was a career ender for all of them) and the soldiers below Calley weren't prosecuted, either.

This proves that the difference between war heroes and war criminals is only the difference between winners and losers.

Although what he did was a normal practice for both the VC and NVA forces operating in South Vietnam.

Wow, dude, so you are admitting John Kerry was right? I mean, after all the shit people gave him in 2004, I think you all owe him a nice fruit basket or something.

Germany was well known for "terror" bombing raids going back to the destruction of Guernica in the Spanish Civil War after it was declared an "open city" and was not defended and Warsaw also after it was declared an "open city". So you need to get off your high horse and learn some history.

I have a degree in history. The thing is, I understand the difference between history and propaganda.

If you feel good, you aren't reading history, you are reading propaganda.

We really don't have much room to criticize Hamas given some of what we are responsible for.

 

[AZrailwhale]

No, they weren't. Dresden was bombed when Germany was effectively defeated. Hiroshima was bombed when Japan was actively seeking terms of surrender. The city was spared from bombing just so the people in charge of the A-bomb program would have an unspoiled city to measure the effects.





By "prosecuted", you mean he had to spend three years under house arrest at Ft. Benning before Nixon pardoned him. The officers above him weren't punished (although it was a career ender for all of them) and the soldiers below Calley weren't prosecuted, either.

This proves that the difference between war heroes and war criminals is only the difference between winners and losers.



Wow, dude, so you are admitting John Kerry was right? I mean, after all the shit people gave him in 2004, I think you all owe him a nice fruit basket or something.


I have a degree in history. The thing is, I understand the difference between history and propaganda.

If you feel good, you aren't reading history, you are reading propaganda.

We really don't have much room to criticize Hamas given some of what we are responsible for.

As usual you can’t read. I said the VIET CONG and PEOPLE’S ARMY of VIETNAM (also known as the North Vietnamese Army) routinely committed war crimes like Calley’s unit did. It was not a normal practice of US troops. I served then and most of my fellows served in Vietnam and none of them witnessed atrocities being committed by a U.S. or Allied troops.

As for Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden, neither Japan or Nazi Germany were prepared to surrender. Both were defeated by any rational measure, but both were still resisting. The Japanese were planning to resist to the last woman and child.

All three cities were legitimate military targets and were actively defended unlike Warsaw, Guernica and any number of Chinese cities like Nanking. But as usual you won’t even consider that you are wrong because anything that doesn’t meet your preconceptions even registers with you.

 

[JoeB131]

As usual you can’t read. I said the VIET CONG and PEOPLE’S ARMY of VIETNAM (also known as the North Vietnamese Army) routinely committed war crimes like Calley’s unit did. It was not a normal practice of US troops. I served then and most of my fellows served in Vietnam and none of them witnessed atrocities being committed by a U.S. or Allied troops.

Well, I was having so much fun mocking you. (You probably shouldn't have used abbreviations the first time.)

I'm sure a lot of atrocities happened by our forces, Calley just got caught.

The Vietnam War Crimes You Never Heard Of

On October 19, 2003, the Ohio-based newspaper the Toledo Blade launched a four-day series of investigative reports exposing a string of atrocities by an elite, volunteer, 45-man "Tiger Force" unit of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division over the course of seven months in 1967. The Blade...

www.historynewsnetwork.org

Take for instance, BOB Kerrey, who was considered a leading candidate in 2001 to challenge Bush, until it was found out that he had taken out a village full of innocent civilians, and then claimed they were all Viet Cong.

Bob Kerrey’s War Record Fuels Debate in Vietnam on His Role at New University (Published 2016)

Some question whether Mr. Kerrey, a former senator who has admitted that he and commandos he led in 1969 killed women and children, should lead Fulbright University Vietnam.

www.nytimes.com

This shouldn't really be a surprise. Sure, a lot of good men served in Vietnam. I served with some who were still in when I joined up.

But there were also "MacNamara's Morons", people that were sent to Vietnam to build up forces quickly. It was also still a common practice at the time to send people who would have otherwise gone to prison and force them to join the military. (This was still going on as late as 1981, with some of the guys I went to boot camp with.)

This is also why you had an unprecedented number of "Fraggings" late in the war.

As for Hiroshima, Nagasaki and Dresden, neither Japan or Nazi Germany were prepared to surrender. Both were defeated by any rational measure, but both were still resisting. The Japanese were planning to resist to the last woman and child.

Actually, the Japanese were putting out feelers to surrender to the Swiss and the Soviets (who were neutral until August 1945.) Their only condition was to leave the Emperor in place. After the Bombs were dropped, and the USSR entered the war, we were suddenly perfectly fine with giving Hirohito a pass on his war crimes.

As for Dresden... By February 1945, the Germans were exhausted as a force, all their European allies had surrendered or been defeated, they were running out of everything. There was simply no good reason to bomb Dresden other than revenge.

All three cities were legitimate military targets and were actively defended unlike Warsaw, Guernica and any number of Chinese cities like Nanking. But as usual you won’t even consider that you are wrong because anything that doesn’t meet your preconceptions even registers with you.

"They did it first" is what a five-year-old does when he's caught being naughty. It's not an excuse for war crimes or terror bombings. Such things should ONLY be done if they are done for a specific military purpose.

Which brings us back to Hamas. Why did Hamas attack? Because too many Arab regimes were getting too cozy with Israel, and they felt they were being forgotten.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Well, I was having so much fun mocking you. (You probably shouldn't have used abbreviations the first time.)

I'm sure a lot of atrocities happened by our forces, Calley just got caught.

The Vietnam War Crimes You Never Heard Of

On October 19, 2003, the Ohio-based newspaper the Toledo Blade launched a four-day series of investigative reports exposing a string of atrocities by an elite, volunteer, 45-man "Tiger Force" unit of the U.S. Army's 101st Airborne Division over the course of seven months in 1967. The Blade...

www.historynewsnetwork.org

Take for instance, BOB Kerrey, who was considered a leading candidate in 2001 to challenge Bush, until it was found out that he had taken out a village full of innocent civilians, and then claimed they were all Viet Cong.

Bob Kerrey’s War Record Fuels Debate in Vietnam on His Role at New University (Published 2016)

Some question whether Mr. Kerrey, a former senator who has admitted that he and commandos he led in 1969 killed women and children, should lead Fulbright University Vietnam.

www.nytimes.com

This shouldn't really be a surprise. Sure, a lot of good men served in Vietnam. I served with some who were still in when I joined up.

But there were also "MacNamara's Morons", people that were sent to Vietnam to build up forces quickly. It was also still a common practice at the time to send people who would have otherwise gone to prison and force them to join the military. (This was still going on as late as 1981, with some of the guys I went to boot camp with.)

This is also why you had an unprecedented number of "Fraggings" late in the war.



Actually, the Japanese were putting out feelers to surrender to the Swiss and the Soviets (who were neutral until August 1945.) Their only condition was to leave the Emperor in place. After the Bombs were dropped, and the USSR entered the war, we were suddenly perfectly fine with giving Hirohito a pass on his war crimes.

As for Dresden... By February 1945, the Germans were exhausted as a force, all their European allies had surrendered or been defeated, they were running out of everything. There was simply no good reason to bomb Dresden other than revenge.




"They did it first" is what a five-year-old does when he's caught being naughty. It's not an excuse for war crimes or terror bombings. Such things should ONLY be done if they are done for a specific military purpose.

Which brings us back to Hamas. Why did Hamas attack? Because too many Arab regimes were getting too cozy with Israel, and they felt they were being forgotten.

The Japanese ‘feelers” were about a return to status quo ante December Sixth 1941. No war crime trials, any disarmament to be under Japanese control. Totally unacceptable, even the Japanese Ambassador who was order to present them told his government that those terms were unacceptable and both the Swedes and Soviets refused to even accept them for forwarding to the Allies. This is all verified by internal JAPANESE correspondence then confirmed by Allied intercepts. Oh and the people making the “feelers” you are alleging were not even part of the government and had no authorization to approach anyone. What I posted was the only terms acceptable to the Japanese government.

 

[el midgetron]

I have a degree in history. The thing is, I understand the difference between history and propaganda.

When someone tries to win an argument with authority, it’s probably because their argument lacks substance. If your argument lacks substance, you are no authority.

If you feel good, you aren't reading history, you are reading propaganda.

Joe, just pretend the “propaganda” is just explicit sexual content. Let me guess, now you want that shit in every school?

No, according to you, the real “propaganda” is anything virtuous about Western Culture. In WW2 America slam-dunked on the Nazis, and that is what is making you Jew
-haters not “feel good” about history.

We really don't have much room to criticize Hamas given some of what we are responsible for.

Speak for yourself. I wont justify one evil with another. This is why you amoral liberal fruitcakes always end up being the thing you hate.

If you can‘t criticize HAMAS for attacking a music festival, raping and murdering kids at a concert, then you are a piece of garbage. You are Nazi material. You are already justifying the murder of innocent civilians.

 

[JoeB131]

The Japanese ‘feelers” were about a return to status quo ante December Sixth 1941. No war crime trials, any disarmament to be under Japanese control. Totally unacceptable, even the Japanese Ambassador who was order to present them told his government that those terms were unacceptable and both the Swedes and Soviets refused to even accept them for forwarding to the Allies. This is all verified by internal JAPANESE correspondence then confirmed by Allied intercepts. Oh and the people making the “feelers” you are alleging were not even part of the government and had no authorization to approach anyone. What I posted was the only terms acceptable to the Japanese government.

So, the point was that they knew they were beaten and were seeking terms. Making the Atomic Bombings an act of "terrorism" to intimidate them into accepting terms they considered unacceptable.

Let's keep in mind that dismantling the Japanese Empire caused us a whole host of troubles later on down the road (the fall of China to the Communists, the Korean War, and why we are still there 80 years later.

So, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. To the people of Hiroshima, the crew of the Enola Gay were terrorists.

Thanks for making my point. I knew you could do it, Corky!!!

 

[JoeB131]

When someone tries to win an argument with authority, it’s probably because their argument lacks substance. If your argument lacks substance, you are no authority.

Yet, I'm dancing circles around you.

Joe, just pretend the “propaganda” is just explicit sexual content. Let me guess, now you want that shit in every school?

Actually, what I want is for the schools to educate kids about sex and give them proper context. Unlike the Catholic School I grew up in, where kids ended up with a lot of unplanned pregnancies because they had no idea what they were doing. Of course, little Timmy in my neighborhood had no problem getting porn. Every pre-pub boy had his own stash of porno magazines. I imagine it's even easier today with the internet.

No, according to you, the real “propaganda” is anything virtuous about Western Culture. In WW2 America slam-dunked on the Nazis, and that is what is making you Jew
-haters not “feel good” about history.

We also bombed innocent civilians, let the British starve 3 million Bengalis to death, let Stalin occupy Eastern Europe, and a whole bunch of other things. The Nazis wouldn't have happened if the British and US hadn't let the French be so vindictive after WWI.

Speak for yourself. I wont justify one evil with another. This is why you amoral liberal fruitcakes always end up being the thing you hate.

Naw, you just come up with your own evils, like justifying when the cops shoot black children.

If you can‘t criticize HAMAS for attacking a music festival, raping and murdering kids at a concert, then you are a piece of garbage. You are Nazi material. You are already justifying the murder of innocent civilians.

If you can't condemn the IDF for bombing hospitals and schools, that makes you the Nazi Material. Seems you are only upset when "innocent" civilians are killed is when they are white people.

 

[Hector12]

So, the point was that they knew they were beaten and were seeking terms. Making the Atomic Bombings an act of "terrorism" to intimidate them into accepting terms they considered unacceptable.

United States Strategic Bombing Survey
Summary Report​

(Pacific War)​

Washington, D.C.
1 July 1946​

Based on a detailed investigation of all the facts, and supported by the testimony of the surviving Japanese leaders involved, it is the Survey's opinion that certainly prior to 31 December 1945, and in all probability prior to 1 November 1945, Japan would have surrendered even if the atomic bombs had not been dropped, even if Russia had not entered the war, and even if no invasion had been planned or contemplated.

United States Strategic Bombing Survey: Summary Report (Pacific War)

 

[Blaster]

I can’t figure it out. A Jewish friend of mine is VERY pro-Israel, appalled by the antisemitism, and still plans to vote for Biden.

It's in their DNA.

 

[Hector12]

I can’t figure it out. A Jewish friend of mine is VERY pro-Israel, appalled by the antisemitism, and still plans to vote for Biden.

I am a Christian who "is VERY pro-Israel, appalled by the antisemitism, and [I still plan] to vote for Biden."

President Biden has authorized weapon shipments to Israel. He will be speaking tonight to condemn antisemitism.

For reasons I have expressed previously, I do not think Trump is an acceptable alternative.

I am also in favor of helping Ukraine. Trump is not.

 

[Lisa558]

It's in their DNA.

Then why isn’t it in my DNA? Or those of my family? Or most of my friends?

We are all Jewish and don’t vote for the party who hates Jews. Why have we woken up, and so many haven’t?

 

[Blaster]

Then why isn’t it in my DNA? Or those of my family? Or most of my friends?

We are all Jewish and don’t vote for the party who hates Jews. Why have we woken up, and so many haven’t?

There are more liberal Jews than conservative Jews.

 

[Lisa558]

There are more liberal Jews than conservative Jews.

….and they prioritize their liberalism over their Judaism. Most observant Jews are conservative.

 

[Hector12]

There are more liberal Jews than conservative Jews.

Most Jews know that in 1947, when Israel was formed, most Democrats supported Israel, while most Republicans thought U.S. access to Arab petroleum was more important.

Also, until fairly recently antisemitism was found mainly on the right. It still exists on what is called "the alt right."

Although Jared Taylor is not an antisemite, he knows that many, perhaps most of those who patronize his website are. That is half of the reason I was banned from that websitem although I am not Jewish. The other reason was my admiration of Orientals.

Those of the alt right do not like to be told that they do not belong to the Master Race. I remind them that the Ashkenazim belong to the Master Race.

 

[Hector12]

….and they prioritize their liberalism over their Judaism. Most observant Jews are conservative.

I am confident that most Jews think That Trump is intolerably Goyish, with his personality, character, and the fecal smells emanating from his soiled diapers and his flatulence.

 

[JoeB131]

Most Jews know that in 1947, when Israel was formed, most Democrats supported Israel, while most Republicans thought U.S. access to Arab petroleum was more important.

Also, until fairly recently antisemitism was found mainly on the right. It still exists on what is called "the alt right."

Actually, George Marshall felt recognizing the Zionist Entity was a mistake. History has proven him right.

Although Jared Taylor is not an antisemite, he knows that many, perhaps most of those who patronize his website are. That is half of the reason I was banned from that websitem although I am not Jewish. The other reason was my admiration of Orientals.

Or maybe you annoy other racists as much as you annoy everyone else!

Those of the alt right do not like to be told that they do not belong to the Master Race. I remind them that the Ashkenazim belong to the Master Race.

This is the kind of arrogance that makes people resent Jews. They should probably knock that shit off.

 

[Hector12]

Actually, George Marshall felt recognizing the Zionist Entity was a mistake. History has proven him right.

Our support for Israel was never in our national interests. It has always been the moral thing to do.

 

[Hector12]

Or maybe you annoy other racists as much as you annoy everyone else!

If I "annoy everyone else," why do I have a higher ratio of up votes to comments than you do?

 

[Hector12]

This is the kind of arrogance that makes people resent Jews. They should probably knock that shit off.

I have never in my life heard or read a Jew claiming that the Ashkenazim are the Master Race. That is my claim.

 

[JoeB131]

Our support for Israel was never in our national interests. It has always been the moral thing to do.

Actually, more of a guilt trip because we felt bad about the Holocaust.

Clearly, it was not moral to dispossess people of their land because you feel bad.

It would be like if I gave your house to a deserving black family because I felt really bad about slavery.