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Emotional pleas? I’m presenting facts. Can you refute the facts I’ve presented?Emotional pleas aren't going to work on me and your logic is shit.
What do facts about child labor in the Congo have to do with your fantasies about me and what I believe in?Emotional pleas? I’m presenting facts. Can you refute the facts I’ve presented?
Or maybe you are too busy enjoying various products made by slaves.
Your whole world view is based on your moral superiority to slaveholders. And now it is dawning on you that you are no better. It must be difficult for your world view to come crashing down. I’ll give you a minute.
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Are you slow? Unpaid slave labor is used to produce goods which you buy. You benefit from slave labor.What do facts about child labor in the Congo have to do with your fantasies about me and what I believe in?
Maybe you haven't, but America has.I am not trying to get away with anything since I have never harmed you and owe you nothing because of your black skin
So does America owe those who suffered through Jim Crow?Germans owe descendants of holocaust victims nothing
Do I have to draw a picture for you? I presented facts showing you that many products you buy (electronics, food, clothing, etc.) are produced in part by slave labor.
Now go ahead and connect those facts to a rational point instead of an emotional one.
Out of desire or because that just happens to be how the world and the economy work?Are you slow? Unpaid slave labor is used to produce goods which you buy. You benefit from slave labor.
What you didn't produce was me complimenting the system for operating this way.Do I have to draw a picture for you? I presented facts showing you that many products you buy (electronics, food, clothing, etc.) are produced in part by slave labor.
Out of desire or because that just happens to be how the world and the economy work?
So if an Alabama slave owner circa 1840 didn’t compliment the system he would be exonerated from all guilt?What you didn't produce was me complimenting the system for operating this way.
No fantasyYou were trying to pass off your fragile fantasies as rational conclusions. They were not. Are you done flailing about in dress up trying to embarass me?
If we have regrettably concluded that bit of fun that is actually a shame. I can't speak for anyone else but I was certainly enjoying the show.
Anyway why do you keep attempting (at least that is what I think you're doing) a rational argument but then irrationally making it about me? As I've said to you before and in the last post, I'm a child of immigrants. I wasn't a victim of American injustice. It's not me who you owe, as an American tax payer, for the injustices perpetrated by the nation you call home.
An Alabama slave owner circa 1840 is directly engaging in slavery and ready to start an entirely new nation to defend the practice. Similarly the Founders, credited for creating our society and our rules and its laws and foundations, are, more than anyone else, responsible for the American slave state that they themselves created. I'm a descendant of slaves in the Caribbean and an immigrant to this country. I don't support unfettered capitalism or the exploitation of the third world, of which my family is from, but simply not using a phone isn't going to end that exploitation. What will is overwhelming the American population with immigrants who's children can use their political power to end that exploitation.So if an Alabama slave owner circa 1840 didn’t compliment the system he would be exonerated from all guilt?
Still fantasy my guy. It always will be.No fantasy
Without slavery africans would have had no way to reach America
Slavery was a disaster for this country on many levels. I would not quarrel with the idea that that original sin made our country's success an uphill battle from the start.
Yea. When you exploit people you can prosper off their exploitation. Those are the morals you stand by. The morals of slavers, pimps and thieves.Democracy isn't failing. Our democracy is what made us what we are. It made us a powerful first world country that sits at the front of the table of world super powers.
What is failing is our leaders. They fail us, not what were founded on. If American democracy fails it's because our leaders failed us. Democracy doesn't change in it's form, what changes is the people who determine how to use it and uphold it.
American democracy, morals, values, pride and standards got us where we are and as long as we have leaders that stand by those we won't ever fail. But when our leaders stop stand by those then we go to shit.
It's like if oreo leaders said "you know the oreo that made us billions and billions of dollars and made this company what it is that hundreds of millions of people love? Well I think we should stop making them the way we do and change the recipe" they would be laying off people and closing facilities down left and right within a year. The company would begin to fail because they stopped doing what made them so successful.
You seem to be looking at the past through the modern lens though. It's easy to look back 100s of years ago and say that it was wrong.
Almost everything in the world hundreds or even thousands of years ago was built with slaves. That was the way a less advanced society built things was by throwing misery and suffering at it till it was done. At that exact time it wasn't immoral by their standards, it was the only way to get big things done. Now we don't need slavery anymore because we advanced our society and technology past it. One day in the future they will think you and I are both barbarians because of something we do normally they have advanced beyond.
Slavery, Christianity, ambition, strong wills, the constitution and so on all built our country. They were all responsible for taking this land from nothing to being a world super power in record time.
That's not a rational argument and probably why your culture is going to shit. Shit ideas from shit people.America has not harmed you
In fact if you are lucky enough to have American citizenship you are blessed beyond all other chinese-black-indians who dont
If you are black and descended from slaves you owe the white masters a debt of gratitudeMaybe you haven't, but America has.
noSo does America owe those who suffered through Jim Crow?
Its a fact because you say so?That's not a rational argument and probably why your culture is going to shit. Shit ideas from shit people.
The Alabama slave holder may not be directly involved in slavery. Maybe he is like you and gets someone else to do the whipping. Does this exonerate him?An Alabama slave owner circa 1840 is directly engaging in slavery and ready to start an entirely new nation to defend the practice. Similarly the Founders, credited for creating our society and our rules and its laws and foundations, are, more than anyone else, responsible for the American slave state that they themselves created. I'm a descendant of slaves in the Caribbean and an immigrant to this country. I don't support unfettered capitalism or the exploitation of the third world, of which my family is from, but simply not using a phone isn't going to end that exploitation. What will is overwhelming the American population with immigrants who's children can use their political power to end that exploitation.
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