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Pretend it is a train coming at us. The Train is so far away we can't hear it. Should I worry or simply keep walking down the street? These nuts act as if Climate (lasts from 30 years to many more) is roaring our way trying to destroy us. So tell them no thanks.Were already just 1.2C or so above the pre-industrial average and things are already getting bananas.
Think about being on the tracks, a train is approaching from the distance and you find that you can only move a few millimeters a year.Pretend it is a train coming at us. The Train is so far away we can't hear it. Should I worry or simply keep walking down the street? These nuts act as if Climate (lasts from 30 years to many more) is roaring our way trying to destroy us. So tell them no thanks.
Thanks a lot for helping me make my case. Let's try that and see if it works.Think about being on the tracks, a train is approaching from the distance and you find that you can only move a few millimeters a year.
We are in our current situation because far too many people listened to advice like yours.Thanks a lot for helping me make my case. Let's try that and see if it works.
Pretend it is a train coming at us. The Train is so far away we can't hear it. Should I worry or simply keep walking down the street? These nuts act as if Climate (lasts from 30 years to many more) is roaring our way trying to destroy us. So tell them no thanks.
Can you cause the Sun to rise 15 minutes sooner?The tracks is the Earth and you cannot get off it.
I had no idea I was so powerful. Do you wish you were as powerful?We are in our current situation because far too many people listened to advice like yours.
I didn't say "your advice". I said "advice like yours".I had no idea I was so powerful. Do you wish you were as powerful?
Crick, this is not a tip to you, but trying to be kind.... Try being humble.I didn't say "your advice". I said "advice like yours".
My advice is to listen to the scientists who speak the truth and are not out to cause you a lot of distress.We are in our current situation because far too many people listened to advice like yours.
I do listen to scientists but I should hope NOT to scientists who decide what to tell me and what not based on how distressed they think I might become. The thing we're all after here is the truth and not all truths are painless.My advice is to listen to the scientists who speak the truth and are not out to cause you a lot of distress.
As the OP noted, nobody argues that an extra 7 billion people on Earth do not have some effect on local environments. Cities are MUCH larger than they were at the beginning of the Industrial Revolution, there are infinitely more square miles of buildings, parking lots, pavement, concrete surfaces, etc. replacing bare ground, grass, trees, other vegetation that once kept things cooler on a hot summer day.
In 2021, when the environmental advocacy group Center for Climate Integrity set out to examine air conditioning, its researchers collected information on more than 150 schools and school districts across the country. They found that in places where temperatures historically hit 80 degrees Fahrenheit at least 32 days during the academic year, the vast majority of schools already had air conditioning.
Using this as their threshold for when AC is needed, they modeled what it would cost to keep schools cool in the near future under a moderate warming scenario. Their answer: more than 13,700 public schools in the United States. that did not need air conditioning in 1970 need it today. Some have already installed it, some are working on it now and some can only dream of having enough money. The estimated cost of this huge investment exceeds $40 billion.
Paul Chinowsky, a professor emeritus of engineering at the University of Colorado at Boulder who led the analysis, said it showed two distinct trends in America: Northern school districts experiencing hotter school year temperatures that are overheating classrooms and forcing closures, especially in old buildings without enough electrical capacity to run air conditioners. And Southern districts with aging cooling systems outmatched by abnormally hot weather.
www.theguardian.com
But all the wind farms, all the solar panels, all the EVs, all the energy saving appliances, all the efforts to promote and require green energy all over the world has not reduced CO2 in the atmosphere by a single particle nor is there any evidence it has changed the temperature/weather in any place, much less the whole planet. And we are on track to add another 3 billion people to the planet by the year 2100.
In 2021, when the environmental advocacy group Center for Climate Integrity set out to examine air conditioning, its researchers collected information on more than 150 schools and school districts across the country. They found that in places where temperatures historically hit 80 degrees Fahrenheit at least 32 days during the academic year, the vast majority of schools already had air conditioning.
Using this as their threshold for when AC is needed, they modeled what it would cost to keep schools cool in the near future under a moderate warming scenario. Their answer: more than 13,700 public schools in the United States. that did not need air conditioning in 1970 need it today. Some have already installed it, some are working on it now and some can only dream of having enough money. The estimated cost of this huge investment exceeds $40 billion.
Paul Chinowsky, a professor emeritus of engineering at the University of Colorado at Boulder who led the analysis, said it showed two distinct trends in America: Northern school districts experiencing hotter school year temperatures that are overheating classrooms and forcing closures, especially in old buildings without enough electrical capacity to run air conditioners. And Southern districts with aging cooling systems outmatched by abnormally hot weather.
Absolutely correct as usual. What about the rest of the world. Doing this as proposed by the alarmists might kill off millions in Africa or in South America since they lack funds to pay for changes.But all the wind farms, all the solar panels, all the EVs, all the energy saving appliances, all the efforts to promote and require green energy all over the world has not reduced CO2 in the atmosphere by a single particle nor is there any evidence it has changed the temperature/weather in any place, much less the whole planet. And we are on track to add another 3 billion people to the planet by the year 2100.
If the local community wants air conditioning in their schools they will make sure it is installed. $50 billion divided by 74 million U.S. school children = roughly $67 per child. Not a crippling figure.
The mega trillions required to convert the world to all green energy by 2100 is neither attainable nor sustainable nor necessary and we will impoverish billions by trying to attain it.
Absolutely correct as usual. What about the rest of the world. Doing this as proposed by the alarmists might kill off millions in Africa or in South America since they lack funds to pay for changes.
It HAS reduced the rate at which we are putting it into the atmosphere. You have been shown the data on that.But all the wind farms, all the solar panels, all the EVs, all the energy saving appliances, all the efforts to promote and require green energy all over the world has not reduced CO2 in the atmosphere by a single particle
CO2 is a well-mixed gas. It's effects in either direction will not be localized. There is an ENORMOUS amount of evidence that it has changed the temperature of the planet UPWARDS. AS the rate at which our emissions were increasing has come down, so has the rate at which temperature has been increasing. But, they are both still increasing. We need to do more.nor is there any evidence it has changed the temperature/weather in any place, much less the whole planet.
What's the matter? Don't you appreciate a challenge. And don't forget we are planning on giving every human on the planet a lifestyle equivalent to a middle-class American.And we are on track to add another 3 billion people to the planet by the year 2100.
Where did you get $50 billion and what is it supposed to pay for?If the local community wants air conditioning in their schools they will make sure it is installed. $50 billion divided by 74 million U.S. school children = roughly $67 per child. Not a crippling figure.
Resolving global warming by addressing its causes will cost significantly less than ignoring it and dealing piecemeal with the issues it creates. If you don't want to impoverish billions, you should be advocating that we deal with this problem as quickly as possible.The mega trillions required to convert the world to all green energy by 2100 is neither attainable nor sustainable nor necessary and we will impoverish billions by trying to attain it.
It HAS reduced the rate at which we are putting it into the atmosphere. You have been shown the data on that.
CO2 is a well-mixed gas. It's effects in either direction will not be localized. There is an ENORMOUS amount of evidence that it has changed the temperature of the planet UPWARDS. AS the rate at which our emissions were increasing has come down, so has the rate at which temperature has been increasing. But, they are both still increasing. We need to do more.
You give the appearance of a person who means well, but factually you scare the hell out of good decent Americans with your doom and gloom predictions of hell on Earth.Resolving global warming by addressing its causes will cost significantly less than ignoring it and dealing piecemeal with the issues it creates. If you don't want to impoverish billions, you should be advocating that we deal with this problem as quickly as possible
I bet the guy who stops you from stepping in front of a bus scares you. Or your wife warning you that someone's pulling out in front of you. Do you think they shouldn't have said what they said to you because it scared you? I'm trying to convince people that something bad is happening and it requires that we take some action; that we make some different choices.You give the appearance of a person who means well, but factually you scare the hell out of good decent Americans with your doom and gloom predictions of hell on Earth.
Yes, they do. I get my ideas from the work of thousands of scientists from all over the world. There are a few scientists that reject AGW, but they are less than 1% of the total number of scientists. Science treats the greenhouse effect as an established fact. The greenhouse gases in the Earth's atmopshere are responsible for 59 Fahrenheit degrees of waming. You don't think a 50% increase in the second most effective GHG might have a discernible effect?And thousands of scientists do not agree with your claims of doom.
Gas? Gasoline? It's called CO2 Robert.We can think of the amount of gas like pennies on a table.
In 1850 there were only 280 Pennies. They've increased by 50%. So, whatever effect they produce will have increased as well. There are lots of compounds that will kill you with a tiny fraction of the current level of CO2. There's more than enough there for all the plants and phytoplankton on the entire planet to thrive. Robert, you don't seem to bring a lot of science knowledge to the table here. Trying to show me that 420 ppm is a small fraction serves no point other than to demonstrate your technical shortcomings. I'm a degreed engineer. I know what ppm stands for. I also know physics, chemistry and thermodynamics. You, apparently, do not.The table has a million pennies, the Pennies are 420. So few pennies for you to fuss about compared to a million pennies.
