The left has embraced fascism in its purest form

[surada]

Hey surada - we’re still waiting for you to admit you repeatedly lied. You got awfully quiet after I provided an actual quote from Adolf Hitler in 1927 that shows you lied about him “splitting” from socialists in 1926.

Were the Nazis Socialists?

What’s the difference between National Socialists and every other kind of socialist?

www.britannica.com

To say that Hitler understood the value of language would be an enormous understatement. Propaganda played a significant role in his rise to power. To that end, he paid lip service to the tenets suggested by a name like National Socialist German Workers’ Party, but his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda. After the failure of the Beer Hall Putsch, in November 1923, Hitler became convinced that he needed to utilize the teetering democratic structures of the Weimar government to attain his goals.

 

[irosie91]

Hitler didn't nationalize any German companies.

what are we calling "GERMAN COMPANIES"? ---he confiscated companies
owned by jews. Suradie is so consistent. Muslims didn't steal any land because all of the Levant was owned by a people she calls "arabs" ---Egyptians were "arabs" the people who owned Judea were really mostly arabs the children of Abraham were "arabs" as were most
of his wives. The Phoenicians were "arabs" ----the Assyrians were "arabs".
The people of Lebanon were and are all "arabs" Long ago I had to study
the history of neuro-electrodiagnosis. Somehow THE RUSSIANS
claimed all innovations. -----it was actually hilarious. Back then it was
MOTHER RUSSIA that did it all. Long before---when I was an undergraduate
there was a GREEK CENTRIC kid in English class who truly believe that all
human innovation was GREEK INSPIRED including "monotheism" ---well
she was eastern ortho-----so that was their party-line. I prefer the MAYAN claim to CALCULUS

 

[surada]

what are we calling "GERMAN COMPANIES"? ---he confiscated companies
owned by jews. Suradie is so consistent. Muslims didn't steal any land because all of the Levant was owned by a people she calls "arabs" ---Egyptians were "arabs" the people who owned Judea were really mostly arabs the children of Abraham were "arabs" as were most
of his wives. The Phoenicians were "arabs" ----the Assyrians were "arabs".
The people of Lebanon were and are all "arabs" Long ago I had to study
the history of neuro-electrodiagnosis. Somehow THE RUSSIANS
claimed all innovations. -----it was actually hilarious. Back then it was
MOTHER RUSSIA that did it all. Long before---when I was an undergraduate
there was a GREEK CENTRIC kid in English class who truly believe that all
human innovation was GREEK INSPIRED including "monotheism" ---well
she was eastern ortho-----so that was their party-line. I prefer the MAYAN claim to CALCULUS

Hitler gave German companies slave labor made up of Communists, Jews, Socialists and Democrats.
Yes, except for the European Jews the Middle East is Arab.

 

[surada]

Yes, Mr. DeSantis, Palestinians are Indigenous, Descended from the Canaanites, and Palestinian Identity is not New

Ann Arbor (Informed Comment) - Here is Part 2 of my argument with Florida Governor Ron DeSantis concerning his uninformed and bigoted comments about Palestinians. Part I is here Who are the Palestinians? Nowadays, they are the Arabic-speaking inhabitants of the area stretching from the Jordan...

www.juancole.com

A genetic study of Arabic-speakers by Abdelhafidh Hajjej et al., “The genetic heterogeneity of Arab populations as inferred from HLA genes,” found that they fell into four clusters. One of these grouped “Levantine Arabs (Palestinians, Jordanians, Lebanese, and Syrians), along with Iraqi and Egyptians, who are related to Eastern Mediterraneans.”

So all the Levantine Arabs, including Palestinians, have a common genetic inheritance, and it is disproportionately (93% in the case of Lebanese) in continuity with the Canaanites.

What we now call Palestinians are for the most part descendants of groups who have been in the Near East for four thousand years, at least.

A branch of the Canaanites became Jews, while others became Nabataeans and Phoenicians.

Rome conquered this region beginning in the first century BCE and then extended its holdings into Nabataea (106 AD), Syria and Lebanon. From the 300s the Roman state increasingly backed Christianity, so that most Levantines adopted that religion, though large numbers of Jews held out. From the 630s the Near East began coming under Arab Muslim rule and over hundreds of years many people converted to Islam, including many Jews and Christians. So some of the ancestors of today’s Palestinians were themselves Jewish converts to Christianity or Islam.

“Palestine” as a term for a geographical unit and sometimes a regional identity appears in Arab Muslim sources. The “Jund Filastin” (Filastin is the Arabic transcription of Palestine) was a military district of Syria (Sham) in the Umayyad and Abbasid Empires. The chroniclers of later empires that ruled this area referred to it as “Filastin.” There were mints for coins there and the word occurs on some medieval coins.

The great Israeli historian Haim Gerber writes in his “Palestine” and Other Territorial Concepts in the 17th Century,” (IJMES 1998): “Little-used sources from the 17th and 18th centuries indicate some remarkable traces of awareness of territorial consciousness that deserve closer scrutiny. The main source in question is a two-volume fatwa (legal opinion) composed by the Palestinian Mufti Khayr al-Din al-Ramli (1585-1670), which on many occasions mentions the concepts Filastin, biladuna (our country), al-Sham (Syria), Misr (Egypt), and diyar (country), in senses that go far beyond “mere” objective.”

As for Jews, as far as geneticists can tell, around 800 CE a large male trading colony of Levantine Jews left the Abbasid Empire and crossed the Mediterranean to settle in Rome. That the Jewish diaspora derived from their expulsion by the Roman Empire after the Bar Kochba revolt is a myth. There were lots of Jews in Roman Palestine. Of those who went to Europe for trade, some members eventually moved into what is now Poland, Ukraine and Russia. They tended to take local wives, who converted to Judaism when they married. These became the Ashkenazi Jews. They typically have some Canaanite genetic heritage, though Ashkenazi women are genetically mostly gentiles, and mostly unrelated to one another. The trick here, though, is that geneticists can only trace genealogy through the male y chromosome or though the female mitochondrial DNA. All the other genes split and join with new ones in every generation, so that nothing can be traced. So an Ashkenazi, European Jewish man is descended from all those gentile great-great grandmothers of the past, but they left no permanent trace in the way that the male line of Jewish descent did. And Ashkenazi women have a lot of heritage from their Jewish male ancestors that can no longer be detected.

While genetic history is working itself into various forms of nationalism, I wish it wouldn’t. For one thing, human beings just aren’t that different from one another, even if they carry distinctive haplotypes. Haplotypes are “a set of DNA variants along a single chromosome that tend to be inherited together.” But humans are always evolving and intermarrying, and haplotypes come and go. Some really old human DNA has yielded haplotypes that don’t seem even to exist any more. We all have diverse ancestries, most of which can no longer be traced.

But the reverse is also true. Naive nationalists misuse genealogical history to exclude and demonize. Some Jewish nationalists or Zionists seem to really mind the scientific finding that today’s Palestinians and other Levantine Arabs show strong genetic continuity with the Canaanites. This dismay derives from the Canaanite city-states and small kingdoms having preceded Israel in history, such that they have a stronger claim on being indigenous. If Palestinians are the descendants of the Canaanites, do they have a superior claim on today’s Israel/Palestine?

Sure, if haplotypes were all that mattered. They aren’t. Human beings today have individual rights, incorporated into treaty law via UN instruments. Palestinians and Israelis both have a Canaanite heritage. That is irrelevant to their present-day human rights. Both should have the right to basic human freedoms, to citizenship in a state, to their own property and livelihoods and to self-fulfilment. Both should be able to live free of violence. These basic rights matter more than from whom they are descended or where their ancestors used to live.

 

[irosie91]

Were the Nazis Socialists?

What’s the difference between National Socialists and every other kind of socialist?

www.britannica.com

To say that Hitler understood the value of language would be an enormous understatement. Propaganda played a significant role in his rise to power. To that end, he paid lip service to the tenets suggested by a name like National Socialist German Workers’ Party, but his primary—indeed, sole—focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, anti-Semitic agenda. After the failure of the Beer Hall Putsch, in November 1923, Hitler became convinced that he needed to utilize the teetering democratic structures of the Weimar government to attain his goals.

Hitler gave German companies slave labor made up of Communists, Jews, Socialists and Democrats.
Yes, except for the European Jews the Middle East is Arab.

right----I did the neuroscience of "every aspect of neuroscience is RUSSIAN" and experienced the----"ALL THINGS ARE GREEK" ---but fortunately I did it
with alert people and we all laughed our way thru. ----of course----the real
fact is that the SUN DOES NOT SET ON THE UNION JACK and "king" Charles is a direct descendant of DAVID (son of jesse) Only european jews?---what about SEPHARDIC and MIZRAHI jews. ssssshhhh they are arabs?
be very quiet about that-----my yemenite dhimmi might vomit.

 

[surada]

How fascism works

A Yale philosopher on fascism, truth, and Donald Trump.

www.vox.com

In the past, fascist politics would focus on the dominant cultural group.

The goal is to make them feel like victims, to make them feel like they’ve lost something and that the thing they’ve lost has been taken from them by a specific enemy, usually some minority out-group or some opposing nation.

This is why fascism flourishes in moments of great anxiety, because you can connect that anxiety with fake loss.

The story is typically that a once-great society has been destroyed by liberalism or feminism or cultural Marxism or whatever, and you make the dominant group feel angry and resentful about the loss of their status and power. Almost every manifestation of fascism mirrors this general narrative.

 

[irosie91]

right----I did the neuroscience of "every aspect of neuroscience is RUSSIAN" and experienced the----"ALL THINGS ARE GREEK" ---but fortunately I did it
with alert people and we all laughed our way thru. ----of course----the real
fact is that the SUN DOES NOT SET ON THE UNION JACK and "king" Charles is a direct descendant of DAVID (son of jesse) Only european jews?---what about SEPHARDIC and MIZRAHI jews. ssssshhhh they are arabs?
be very quiet about that-----my yemenite dhimmi might vomit.

the bottom line-----T'HELL with culture and ethos------play a game of
ALLELE uhm I have had close friends from Southeast Asia----muslims---who by the SURADIE criteria----have far less right to march around the turd
in the sand of mecca-----since I have more LEVANTINE DNA than do they. I LIKE that cohort designation "arabic speaking people"-----for those who do not know-----most muslims do not speak arabic. Lots of christians and jews
do speak arabic. The people who speak arabic are those who were overwhelmed during the GLORIOUS AGE OF ISLAMIC CONQUEST. Even
the zoroastrians and jews who fled to INDIA----from Iraq. still do some arabic as well as Indian languages like Urdu. Maronites and Copts and Chaldeans----arabic--the KURDS are another branch of the vanquished who have a language but end up speaking arabic ----AND the DRUSE. The Mexicans---
were Aztecs----but now they speak Spanish. I speak English. Maimonides
wrote to some extent in Arabic which a pakistani surgeon I knew assured me meant that he was "really a muslim"

 

[irosie91]

How fascism works

A Yale philosopher on fascism, truth, and Donald Trump.

www.vox.com

In the past, fascist politics would focus on the dominant cultural group.

The goal is to make them feel like victims, to make them feel like they’ve lost something and that the thing they’ve lost has been taken from them by a specific enemy, usually some minority out-group or some opposing nation.

This is why fascism flourishes in moments of great anxiety, because you can connect that anxiety with fake loss.

The story is typically that a once-great society has been destroyed by liberalism or feminism or cultural Marxism or whatever, and you make the dominant group feel angry and resentful about the loss of their status and power. Almost every manifestation of fascism mirrors this general narrative.

very reasonable analysis---which explains the ethos of the religion espoused and INVENTED by Constantine. Iran and Turkey are into their version of fascism. -------as to the rest of the world---there are expressions thereof in South American and LOTS in the Far East

 

[surada]

very reasonable analysis---which explains the ethos of the religion espoused and INVENTED by Constantine. Iran and Turkey are into their version of fascism. -------as to the rest of the world---there are expressions thereof in South American and LOTS in the Far East

No it happened because from the very beginning, Israel has had the aim of taking ALL the land and ethnically cleansing the Palestinians. The very first leader stated this many times. Expel them, kill them....but Israel cant have them. They have always planned to expand and cleanse the area of any non Jews.

"The present map of Palestine was drawn by the British mandate. The Jewish people have another map which our youth and adults should strive to fulfill: from the Nile to the Euphrates." ~ David Ben-Gurion

"We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinians] never do return. The old will die and the young will forget," ~ David Ben-Gurion

"The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan: one does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today, but the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concern of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them." ~ David Ben-Gurion

"A partial Jewish State is not the end, but only the beginning. ... I am certain that we will not be prevented from settling in the other parts of the country, either by mutual agreements with our Arab neighbors or by some other means. . . [If the Arabs refuse] we shall have to speak to them in a different language. But we shall only have another language if we have a state." ~ David Ben-Gurion

"The Arabs of the land of Israel [ Palestinians] have only one functionleft to them -- to run away." ~ David Ben-Gurion

"A Christian state should be established [in Lebanon], with its southern border on the Litani river. We will make an alliance with it. When we smash the Arab Legion's strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria and Cairo." ~ David Ben-Gurion

"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." ~ David Ben-Gurion

"It's not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion." ~ David Ben-Gurion

 

[billyerock123]

Hey surada - we’re still waiting for you to admit you repeatedly lied. You got awfully quiet after I provided an actual quote from Adolf Hitler in 1927 that shows you lied about him “splitting” from socialists in 1926.

and yet people like you insist that liberals are fascist but can't seem to point out any liberal that claims they are fascist .... why's that...

 

[Mac1958]

and yet people like you insist that liberals are fascist but can't seem to point out any liberal that claims they are fascist .... why's that...

Because they have been conditioned to use words that they don't fully understand, but which sound scary to themselves and each other.

So they'll toss out such a word, and then clumsily scramble to defend/justify it if challenged. And that's as deep as it gets. As usual.

 

[irosie91]

No it happened because from the very beginning, Israel has had the aim of taking ALL the land and ethnically cleansing the Palestinians. The very first leader stated this many times. Expel them, kill them....but Israel cant have them. They have always planned to expand and cleanse the area of any non Jews.

"The present map of Palestine was drawn by the British mandate. The Jewish people have another map which our youth and adults should strive to fulfill: from the Nile to the Euphrates." ~ David Ben-Gurion

"We must do everything to ensure they [the Palestinians] never do return. The old will die and the young will forget," ~ David Ben-Gurion

"The acceptance of partition does not commit us to renounce Transjordan: one does not demand from anybody to give up his vision. We shall accept a state in the boundaries fixed today, but the boundaries of Zionist aspirations are the concern of the Jewish people and no external factor will be able to limit them." ~ David Ben-Gurion

"A partial Jewish State is not the end, but only the beginning. ... I am certain that we will not be prevented from settling in the other parts of the country, either by mutual agreements with our Arab neighbors or by some other means. . . [If the Arabs refuse] we shall have to speak to them in a different language. But we shall only have another language if we have a state." ~ David Ben-Gurion

"The Arabs of the land of Israel [ Palestinians] have only one functionleft to them -- to run away." ~ David Ben-Gurion

"A Christian state should be established [in Lebanon], with its southern border on the Litani river. We will make an alliance with it. When we smash the Arab Legion's strength and bomb Amman, we will eliminate Transjordan too, and then Syria will fall. If Egypt still dares to fight on, we shall bomb Port Said, Alexandria and Cairo." ~ David Ben-Gurion

"We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai." ~ David Ben-Gurion

"It's not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion." ~ David Ben-Gurion

OH----Ben Gurion wrote that? I never saw it. I was very well acquainted with a person who had been very close to Ben Gurion----his concepts were
absolutely and completely unrelated to the islamo nazi propaganda you have
parroted. In fact, his concepts were a bit too far out LIBERAL for me. You do
have a FLAIR for bullshit. The man died at a very advanced age about 2 years ago-----sorry he missed your comedy. I especially enjoyed your comment about Transjordan---since the man I knew had a very high regard for the father of Abdullah---King Hussein

 

[Vrenn]

NazismSocialism

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists
The Nazis hated socialists. It was the governments that rebuilt Europe that embraced social welfare programs.

Enough to send equipment (including experiemental) and troops so that Fascism would overthrow a more popular Socialist government in Italy. And Mussolini for Italy (also fascist) did the same. Meanwhile, on the opposite side of that war (Spanish Civil War), the USSR was also sending equipment and troops to back up the Socialist Spanish Popular Government. I reality it was a war the opposing sides were the Catholic Church for the socialists and the Corporate Leaders for the Fascists.

 

[surada]

and yet people like you insist that liberals are fascist but can't seem to point out any liberal that claims they are fascist .... why's that...

Mussolini split from the Socialists around 1919. Fascism was embraced by hard right Italian conservatives.

 

[surada]

Isn't if fascinating how everyone who "protests" (ie riot) for left-wing causes has a long criminal history? It's almost like the left-wing ideology attracts dirt-bags. It's also almost like Kyle Rittenhouse was completely justified in acting in self-defense.

Mysterious 'Jump Kick Man' who took aim at Kyle Rittenhouse's head last year identified as Maurice Freeland — a 39-year-old with a lengthy criminal history | Blaze Media

The previously unknown individual who jump-kicked at the head of then-17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse on the night of the Kenosha shootings last year has been identified as Maurice Freeland — a 39-year-old with an extensive criminal history, Fox News reported. Rittenhouse's defense attorneys...

www.theblaze.com

Rittenhouse was breaking curfew and carrying a rifle.

 

[surada]

As I've explained to you several times already, you cannot have small, limited government fascism. That claim is so bizarre, so outrageous, and so hilarious, that nobody could believe it. Not even you.

Fascism is a form of totalitarianism. All of that shit is exclusively left-wing. Here is a simply (and accurate) chart to help you understand:

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Benito Mussolini - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

After being ousted by the Italian Socialist Party for his support of Italian intervention, Mussolini made a radical transformation, ending his support for class conflict and joining in support of revolutionary nationalism transcending class lines.[41]

On 5 December 1914, Mussolini denounced orthodox socialism for failing to recognise that the war had made national identity and loyalty more significant than class distinction.[41] He fully demonstrated his transformation in a speech that acknowledged the nation as an entity, a notion he had rejected prior to the war, saying:

 

[Stann]

Hitler didn't nationalize any German companies.

Correct in the early 30's the Social Democrats nationalized many private concerns. By the mid 30's The Nazis gave them back to the private sector.

 

[westwall]

Hitler didn't nationalize any German companies.

He didn't need to. The Fascists placed Party members into the working offices of the companies and they effectively ran the company.

The owner was told what to make, where to get the raw materials, and how much they could charge for their end product.

So, while the State didn't own the company, they still had absolute control over it.

So the end result is the same.

 

[Stann]

NazismSocialism

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2020/02/05/right-needs-stop-falsely-claiming-that-nazis-were-socialists/

The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists
The Nazis hated socialists. It was the governments that rebuilt Europe that embraced social welfare programs.

The Nazis were far-right fascist who hated a lot of different groups; Jews, gypsies ,gays , the disabled , freedom fighters ( like my second cousins in Poland ) and political enemies like the Social Democrats. The array of triangles used in.the Holocaust camps to identify prisoners attests to that fact. No better proof of who were their enemies.

 

[Kondor3]

The right needs to stop falsely claiming that the Nazis were socialists

Oh, I dunno... socialists are Collectivists too, with the more extreme eventually sliding into Communism.

And, if the Nazis were anything at all, they were most certainly Collectivists... of that much there can be no doubt.

The Nazis hated socialists.

One hates what one wrongs... one wrongs another (sometimes) when they begin as uncomfortably close political "kindred".

It was the governments that rebuilt Europe that embraced social welfare programs.

Fueled by staggeringly huge sums of money ( Marshall Plan ) from a capitalist giant - the United States.

While crouching under the American Shield for decades and doing ( comparatively ) little to defend themselves.

It's a lot easier to spend other peoples' money ( socialism ) when you don't have to bear the main expenses of defense.

However... as circumstances change and you need to spend more on defense, hard choices arise regarding socialism.