Zero Tolerance--Teen Suspended for Designated Driving

[thereisnospoon]

Another outrageous example of law and order liberalism.
The creation of crime and criminals.
Is it any wonder why there is a growing disgust with public schools?

 

[wavingrl]

This kind of mindless aversion to common sense is all too common in public schools in MA.

no, it is an EPIDEMIC in the public schools all across the country.

The Alabama student who was pushed to suicide is much more tragic than the story of this girl, but those are the effects of THE SAME policies - and that has to end.

BTW - THIS is the issue which can unite people of all colors alike - nobody is shielded form this strangling grip on the lives of the kids.

I generally am not the sort to join a protest--but if one organized over this issue, count me in.

I taught for a couple of decades and would not be able to support such policies. 'Education is a political football'--a bit of fyi that I picked up many years ago. Disgraceful---contemptible and after that only expletives come to mind. 'Nanny state' --oh, yes--how much clearer does it need to be?

If Mark O'Mara is the only attorney that has a different POV--then morally, he should quit his job with CNN and pursue this issue ad infinitum.

 

[wavingrl]

Until somebody actually SUES a school or a school board or a district over this nazi gestapo policy of "zero tolerance" on anything - this is going to escalate.

They felt the blood and are getting bolder. a rabid vile animal called totalitarianism which enables the schools do NOTHING they are supposed to just persecute has to be killed, otherwise it is going to kill and kill more.

It is getting out of control.

and as Kondor said--to whom can we appeal --the individual state, the federal government--clearly the architects of such policies.

Time to Rise Up!

 

[JOSweetHeart]

To me, if that school is going to get away with punishing that girl for doing something good, I would want to finish my education somewhere else if I was that girl.

God bless you and her and her family and her friend always!!!

Holly

 

[Moonglow]

These harsh rules were adopted during the last 25 years. When I was in college you could have beer in the dorm room fridge. You could smoke. Don't tell it's a progressive policy that changed this since schools became more conservative during this period.

 

[Politico]

Ahhh thread titles gotta love em'. You don't get arrested for designated driving. Someone wanna tell me what actually happened so I don't have to waste time clicking on links?

 

[wavingrl]

Ahhh thread titles gotta love em'. You don't get arrested for designated driving. Someone wanna tell me what actually happened so I don't have to waste time clicking on links?

I thought the title was succinct--made my point quite nicely.

No, I really don't feel like doing any more for you. The first post just about covers the main ideas.

I won't even bother to take the soapbox on how meaningless most remarks are in any thread--when people don't bother to click the link or read --just respond 'insanely'. That bothers me.

Several have made some good points in this thread---proving that critical thinkers exist --heartwarming, really.

 

[wavingrl]

These harsh rules were adopted during the last 25 years. When I was in college you could have beer in the dorm room fridge. You could smoke. Don't tell it's a progressive policy that changed this since schools became more conservative during this period.

The term 'Progressive'---contrary to what it might seem. 'Socialism' or whatever profound ideology that might be used to cloud the fact that the State controls the masses. 'Progressive'. Not quite what Thoreau et al had in mind --individuals. This is an abomination of all that the nation is founded upon, jmo.

oh--New England-how you have fallen---
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~hyper/WALDEN/Essays/civil.html

but, truly--I am not the person with whom to discuss philosophy or politics.

The nation is headed in a dangerous direction, my pathetic opinion.

For most of my life I taught school--never as it is now being taught.

I suppose I was idealistic--learned about things like this---
http://www3.nd.edu/~rbarger/www7/mann.html

the ideals were sound--how they have since been interpreted--pure 's'.

 

[Moonglow]

Who raised the drinking age?
Who wants all forms of tobacco use in public banned?
Who complained the most when Ms. Nasty had a clothing mal-function?
Wasn't liberals.

 

[wavingrl]

Who raised the drinking age?
Who wants all forms of tobacco use in public banned?
Who complained the most when Ms. Nasty had a clothing mal-function?
Wasn't liberals.

I can't be certain. A combined effort, perhaps?

sucks--just sucks and blows --whomever contributed.

Explain this--take the Liberals of LA--anything goes, let's say--Freedom--what Jefferson intended---I don't believe that, myself--but whatever...

so the limits are pushed further and further---the effects on the least able to protect themselves becomes apparent--so who is being 'protective of the children'---The State

and that is as far as I can go--I just can't discuss politics on a deeper level. Try Vox--he/she seems up to the task. Kondor might give it a go.

'I'm just a teacher' and an old former teacher at that. We didn't do 's' like this when I was teaching--plenty of outrage over much less than this. A feisty bunch--my coworkers and I.

 

[Moonglow]

The girl broke school policy and was suspended.
I've been there , being suspended from college for having a girl in my dorm room after midnight.
I didn't like the rules so I moved out of the dorms.
If you don't like the rules then join into the program and change them or protests. But don't blame one political party since the rules made were done over a period of years that involved many changes in political parties in power. the zero tolerance rules were in response to binge drinking and the death of minors abusing alcohol. It goes hand in hand with the zero tolerance rules associated with the War on Drugs. Which every political party and philosophy of the political sphere has endorsed and supported.

 

[wavingrl]

The girl broke school policy and was suspended.
I've been there , being suspended from college for having a girl in my dorm room after midnight.
I didn't like the rules so I moved out of the dorms.
If you don't like the rules then join into the program and change them or protests. But don't blame one political party since the rules made were done over a period of years that involved many changes in political parties in power. the zero tolerance rules were in response to binge drinking and the death of minors abusing alcohol. It goes hand in hand with the zero tolerance rules associated with the War on Drugs. Which every political party and philosophy of the political sphere has endorsed and supported.

this is pure 's'--no defense.

 

[Politico]

Ahh Moonglow just as I thought. So it had nothing to do with designated driving. In fact she never actually drove anyone anywhere.

 

[Steven_R]

The girl broke school policy and was suspended.

She wasn't on school grounds, wasn't at a school function, and this offence didn't happen during school hours. I fail to see how school policies apply in this case. In loco parentis only goes so far.

 

[wavingrl]

Ahh Moonglow just as I thought. So it had nothing to do with designated driving. In fact she never actually drove anyone anywhere.

yup--I chose key words, arbitrarily. Shame on me.

FUBAR. not the title--maybe u can figure out what I mean. or maybe you can't.

hugs--u will need them.

 

[Annie]

If I were the girl's parents I would hug her for a long time and made sure she knew she did a great thing.

If I was the parent of th girl that called her, the one who 'couldn't drive' I'd also hug my daughter for choosing the right choice. Doesn't mean she wouldn't be punished, Id just be grateful she was still around to be punished.

 

[Annie]

The girl broke school policy and was suspended.
I've been there , being suspended from college for having a girl in my dorm room after midnight.
I didn't like the rules so I moved out of the dorms.
If you don't like the rules then join into the program and change them or protests. But don't blame one political party since the rules made were done over a period of years that involved many changes in political parties in power. the zero tolerance rules were in response to binge drinking and the death of minors abusing alcohol. It goes hand in hand with the zero tolerance rules associated with the War on Drugs. Which every political party and philosophy of the political sphere has endorsed and supported.

Zero tolerance sounds great until dealing with the wrongs of the laws.

 

[NoNukes]

Her parents raised her right, but liberals hate families so she gets punished by an incredibly ignorant and hateful policy.

Now wait for some liberal to ask how I know this is one of their ideas.....

Did it say in the article that the school officials were liberals?

 

[wavingrl]

Her parents raised her right, but liberals hate families so she gets punished by an incredibly ignorant and hateful policy.

Now wait for some liberal to ask how I know this is one of their ideas.....

Did it say in the article that the school officials were liberals?

There are times when deductive reasoning is useful.

No, I don't think the political beliefs of any administrator were mentioned. The school district is located in Andover, MA--what are the odds that the policies of this state would be other than 'blue'? Really?

Beyond that who is running the government? The government runs the schools. If inferences cannot be made --no hope of comprehension.

It has crossed my mind that this is a chronic problem in many posts. It also seems that many never read the linked article or even fully grasp other posters' comments.

jmo--Rather than saying 'liberals hate families'--I think the elephant in the room is that 'The State' is assuming the role of parent--grossly overstepping.

If there is some other explanation for this unbelievable response--I'd love to hear it. Certain that the BOE's attorney advises them not to clarify.

A student who was not consuming alcohol, verified by LE is punished for 'being at the wrong place'? She was at home, with her parents. By all that is holy--I can't get it into my head how a school policy needs to go that far.

On the other hand--there is Steubenville, OH--entire community seemed to band together to protect members of the football team that raped a girl and posted on youtube.

I am at a loss. Neither extreme is acceptable.

 

[Vox]

Who raised the drinking age?
Who wants all forms of tobacco use in public banned?
Who complained the most when Ms. Nasty had a clothing mal-function?
Wasn't liberals.

Except the schools in the last 20 years got very far to the left.

This policy is actually the result of 2 very American specifics - that you never blame yourself if something happens and only look whom to sue - so greediness and irresponsibility would be the first reason and the second one is a laziness of those who are supposed to actually work on discipline, life education and so on. One can add political correctness to the insanity extreme(you can not scold a stupid for being stupid as he might get offended and sue) - all those good intentions which paved the road to hell.

TORT reform across the board - this is what is needed to restore common sense in all areas of public life.