WT7: Silverstein vs the Official Gov't Report

You're kidding, right? You would have me (and all these "lurkers") believe that in your years of "researching" 9/11 you have never stumbled across any of the more popular 9/11 CT websites, all of which dedicate entire sections to disinformation in which they whine about those who willfully or for other reasons (like ignorance or stupidity) dump what you do on the Internet?
Here's another CT Website (TruthMove.org) which also laments your right to dilute or even destroy their message, unequivocally stating:
"... The opposition prefers dealing with topics that can be easily countered, or that simply make 9/11 skeptics look like kooks. Controlled demolition and no plane at the Pentagon are some of the most incredible theories in the movement."
TruthMove - Disinformation

OK, so PROVE that there was an airliner at the PENTAGON and indeed PROVE the allegation that the airliner was hijacked.......

Don't change the subject, Princess. You pretended there are no credible voices within the 9/11 CT Movement who consider the pap you spew here to be so un-credible as to be DISINFORMATION ... an attempt by peeps like you to discredit the entire Movement! When I prove there are whole sections of the most popular CT websites dedicated to trashing you, you quickly try to change the subject.

"whole sections of the most popular CT websites dedicated to trashing you,"
Unlike some people on these forums, I tend to NOT take it personally when people disagree. There WILL be disagreement on various facets of the story, and that is fine, everybody has their opinion, I'm just asking were is the physical proof of there ever having been an airliner crashed at any one of the 4 crash sites alleged to have been on 9/11/2001(?)

They don't just disagree with you, they reject your absurd scenarios, claiming you have discredited and perhaps killed their already lame 9/11 CT Movement.
Even your comrades see you as a flaming loon, Princess. Wake up and smell what you are shoveling.
 
They don't just disagree with you, they reject your absurd scenarios, claiming you have discredited and perhaps killed their already lame 9/11 CT Movement.
Even your comrades see you as a flaming loon, Princess. Wake up and smell what you are shoveling.

For the people who are supporting the 19 suicidal hijackers story, please do by all means wake up and smell the burnt Reichstag!

as for dissention in the ranks, note that any group that you can define, be they doctors, lawyers ( etc... ) have disagreements between members, so be it. what does it prove?

We are all HUMAN on this bus ...... and that is good!
 
Why would someone need to combine the time of separate and distinct Tower fires in order to misrepresent the burn time, making it far greater than it was?
Why would someone need to post a gif of an obviously fake plane hitting the Pentagon?

I don't suppose you could post a pic of what, other than a plane, hit the Pentagon?
While you are at it, perhaps you could post some pix of what hit the WTC on 9/11/2001?
Spammy has been foaming at the mouth that "no planes were hijacked on 9/11" and could use some help. Really.
:lmao:

So in other words, you feel the need to change the subject rather than address the issue about the burn time.

BTW: the mainstream media was the first to assert that airliners were allegedly hijacked and as yet has failed to supply proof that said airliners existed at all.


 
They don't just disagree with you, they reject your absurd scenarios, claiming you have discredited and perhaps killed their already lame 9/11 CT Movement.
Even your comrades see you as a flaming loon, Princess. Wake up and smell what you are shoveling.

For the people who are supporting the 19 suicidal hijackers story, please do by all means wake up and smell the burnt Reichstag!

as for dissention in the ranks, note that any group that you can define, be they doctors, lawyers ( etc... ) have disagreements between members, so be it. what does it prove?

We are all HUMAN on this bus ...... and that is good!

 
So we get audio recordings allegedly from the hijacked airliners,
however, audio recordings are VERY easy to fake, and in the absents of hard evidence, that is an accounting for the aircraft bits, so as to prove that any one of the 4 alleged hijacked airliners was real..... what do we have?
 
So we get audio recordings allegedly from the hijacked airliners,
however, audio recordings are VERY easy to fake, and in the absents of hard evidence, that is an accounting for the aircraft bits, so as to prove that any one of the 4 alleged hijacked airliners was real..... what do we have?

and it's easy to lie about or deny the facts when obsessed by CTs. You are not giving evidence to prove the planes were not hijacked, just wild speculation that goes against all facts and logic, even the claims by the hijackers on their videos or by bin ladens group.

You keep blowing hot air in small puffs that would barely move a balloon, let alone all the evidence, video, audio, eyewitnesses, experts and facts.
 
You are not giving evidence to prove the planes were not hijacked,

May I point out that the first to assert a given argument should be the first to prove it,
and in the case of 4 airliner hijackings, the mainstream media has made the assertion, but never backed it up with any real evidence. in the matter of evidence, it would be no more than was done for any other airline disaster, that is to take all the parts recovered and lay them out in a hanger and account for the aircraft. WHY was this never done, or in fact, if it was done and kept secret, WHY the secrecy? What are they trying to hide?
MANY unanswered questions linger about the events of 9/11/2001, note that there are NO documentary photos of ground zero right after the "collapse" ... there are an abundance of disconnected snap-shots, but no documentary pix ..... WHY?
If anyone points to an obviously cut bit of steel, the stock explanation given is that the pix was taken after the clean-up operation had started and so obviously the cutting was done in the process of cleaning up the site, therefore no controlled demolition. In fact if proper protocol had been followed, a photographer employed by WE THE PEOPLE would have been on site first thing after the collapse event of WTC1 & 2 and shot LOTS of pictures complete with copious notes as to when & where each pix was shot.
As taxpayers, are we not MAD AS HELL
yet? If you are not outraged, you are not paying attention.
 
9 11 Attacks - Facts Summary - HISTORY.com
Video Shows Bin Laden 9 11 Hijackers - CBS News


Finances


  • FBI summary on the hijackers finances
  • A spreadsheet of expenditure on the hijacker's bank accounts
  • "CitiGroup PowerPoint on Hijackers" contains a useful presentation on hijackers finances, showing the amount spent in several accounts and overall
  • "Account Summaries" contains brief details of the hijacker's bank accounts

Travel

  • A single page table listing the hijackers, their country and date of birth, and where and when they got their US visas
  • A timeline of hijacker travel to the US

Timelines

  • FBI Hijackers Timeline as referenced in the 9/11 Commission report, and obtained by this site under the FOIA.
  • FBI Hijackers Timeline, poor OCR version (sort-of searchable although with MANY errors)
  • A chronology of hijacker events in South Florida
  • Timeline of hijacker activities for the days running up to the attacks
  • When and how did the hijackers buy tickets for the 9/11 flights?

Others

  • Various FBI interviews relating to the hijackers (possible sightings and so on)
  • FBI interviews with or about airport checkpoint screeners, their procedures, and possible contact with the hijackers. There's also information on further airport videos showing the hijackers
  • Purchases of knives by the hijackers, and details of knives found at the Flight 93 crash scene
  • A Flight Standards Service briefing on the training of the hijacker pilots, including some innocent pilots with similar names who were victims of mistaken identity
  • Extensive details on hijacker IDs and includes documents recovered from the crash sites
  • This 9/11 Commission folder contains detailed information on the hijackers, like passenger name records and FBI reports, as well as lists of items recovered from everything from hotels to the crash scenes
  • FBI summary of the PENTTBOM case
  • September 17 list of plot suspects
  • A Finnish list of FBI terrorist suspects circa October 2001
  • Brief summaries for all suspects on a single page
  • Discussion of data mining, including details of how the hijackers were linked
  • Jeff Jonas presents a quick guide to how the hijackers were linked
  • The Zacarias Moussaoui indictment is interesting as a quick summary of the case against the hijackers
  • Newsweek article discussing the background to how the hijackers remains were identified through DNA
  • Armed Forces DNA Identification Laboratory paper, including a brief discussion on what can be learned from the Flight 77 and Flight 93 hijackers DNA samples (see pages 82-84)
  • FAA report on check of hijackers medical certification, Jan 22nd 2004
  • A summary of the 9/11 Commission investigation into the hijackers activities in Las Vegas
  • Various FBI interviews relating to the hijackers (possible sightings and so on)

Links and Related

Where can I find law enforcement, 9/11 Commission and mainstream media information about the hijackers?


  • The first FBI list of suspects (without photos) appeared on September 14th
  • The second list, with photographs, was released on September 27th
  • The Zacarias Moussaoui trial exhibits provided significant new information on the 9/11 attacks
  • This New York Times page is an index to many stories on Atta, the other hijackers and 9/11 in general
  • The Global Security page makes it easy to view the movements, activities and associations of each of the hijackers. Primarily based on the 9/11 Commission Report
 
So we are supposed to believe:

Mohamed Atta and Abdul Aziz al-Omari drove from Boston to Portland, Maine on September 10, they stay overnight and the next morning, they took a 6 am commuter flight back to Boston in time to board AA Flight 11.

They do this at the risk of their flight being late and missing AA Flight 11, as well as the additional risk of having to check in a second time.
On top of that, Atta does this with the following incriminating evidence in his bags:

a hand-held electronic flight computer
a simulator procedures manual for Boeing 757 and 767 aircraft
a slide-rule flight calculator
a copy of the Qur'an and a handwritten testament written in Arabic.
According to later testimonies by former FBI agents, the luggage also contained the identities of all 19 suspects involved in the four hijackings, information on their plans, backgrounds, motives, al Qaeda connections
a folding knife and pepper spray.
According to FBI Special Agent Fitzgerald, Abdul Aziz al-Omari's passport was also found in one the bags

Weren't his bags obliterated in the crash, you might ask??
NO, his bags didn't get loaded on to AA11! The only bags to not be loaded on to AA Flight11!!

And why would he bring such things - a knife, pepper spray or flight manuals that he would not have access to on the plane?
Why bring a will that will only be destroyed? Why all the detailed incriminating evidence?

Also, the airport surveillance video released of the two is from Portland not Boston Logan..
 
All I ask for, is physical evidence or photographic documentation of physical evidence that clearly indicates the condition of the rubble pile at "ground zero" after the "collapse" of WTC7 ( and before the clean-up operation had begun ) also documented physical evidence of there having been an airliner crashed at any one of the 4 alleged crash sites. Is this too much to ask?
 
All I ask for, is physical evidence or photographic documentation of physical evidence that clearly indicates the condition of the rubble pile at "ground zero" after the "collapse" of WTC7 ( and before the clean-up operation had begun ) also documented physical evidence of there having been an airliner crashed at any one of the 4 alleged crash sites. Is this too much to ask?


Footage that kills the conspiracy theories Rare footage shows WTC 7 consumed by fire Daily Mail Online

Footage that kills the conspiracy theories Rare footage shows WTC 7 consumed by fire Daily Mail Online

World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9 11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest - Popular Mechanics

NIST Manuscript Publication Search

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All I ask for, is physical evidence or photographic documentation of physical evidence that clearly indicates the condition of the rubble pile at "ground zero" after the "collapse" of WTC7 ( and before the clean-up operation had begun ) also documented physical evidence of there having been an airliner crashed at any one of the 4 alleged crash sites. Is this too much to ask?


Footage that kills the conspiracy theories Rare footage shows WTC 7 consumed by fire Daily Mail Online

Footage that kills the conspiracy theories Rare footage shows WTC 7 consumed by fire Daily Mail Online

World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9 11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest - Popular Mechanics

NIST Manuscript Publication Search

0821.jpg

and for the pix, do you have the date/time of when it was taken, and was it a "news" pix or one taken by an agent of we the people to document the event?
 
All I ask for, is physical evidence or photographic documentation of physical evidence that clearly indicates the condition of the rubble pile at "ground zero" after the "collapse" of WTC7 ( and before the clean-up operation had begun ) also documented physical evidence of there having been an airliner crashed at any one of the 4 alleged crash sites. Is this too much to ask?


Footage that kills the conspiracy theories Rare footage shows WTC 7 consumed by fire Daily Mail Online

Footage that kills the conspiracy theories Rare footage shows WTC 7 consumed by fire Daily Mail Online

World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9 11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest - Popular Mechanics

NIST Manuscript Publication Search

0821.jpg

and for the pix, do you have the date/time of when it was taken, and was it a "news" pix or one taken by an agent of we the people to document the event?


Learn to run your own search.

didwtc7fallintoa tidypile initsownfootpr - wtc7lies
 
You are not giving evidence to prove the planes were not hijacked,

May I point out that the first to assert a given argument should be the first to prove it,
and in the case of 4 airliner hijackings, the mainstream media has made the assertion, but never backed it up with any real evidence.

You consider anything which contradicts your CT as contrived so there is no point in responding to your demands for proof.
Nevertheless your attempts at disinformation should be countered with the truth.
The planes were not reported hijacked but rather off-course as no communication with those planes was possible. The only usable black-box came from Flight 93 cockpit VR which clearly described the on-board events as a hijacking. Read' em and weep:

Talk Flight 93 Cockpit Transcript - Wikisource the free online library
 
All I ask for, is physical evidence or photographic documentation of physical evidence that clearly indicates the condition of the rubble pile at "ground zero" after the "collapse" of WTC7 ( and before the clean-up operation had begun ) also documented physical evidence of there having been an airliner crashed at any one of the 4 alleged crash sites. Is this too much to ask?


Footage that kills the conspiracy theories Rare footage shows WTC 7 consumed by fire Daily Mail Online

Footage that kills the conspiracy theories Rare footage shows WTC 7 consumed by fire Daily Mail Online

World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9 11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest - Popular Mechanics

NIST Manuscript Publication Search

0821.jpg

and for the pix, do you have the date/time of when it was taken, and was it a "news" pix or one taken by an agent of we the people to document the event?

As already stated you consider anything which contradicts your CT as contrived so there is no point in responding to your demands for proof yet many here have tried to reason with you ... to no avail.
 
All I ask for, is physical evidence or photographic documentation of physical evidence that clearly indicates the condition of the rubble pile at "ground zero" after the "collapse" of WTC7 ( and before the clean-up operation had begun ) also documented physical evidence of there having been an airliner crashed at any one of the 4 alleged crash sites. Is this too much to ask?


Footage that kills the conspiracy theories Rare footage shows WTC 7 consumed by fire Daily Mail Online

Footage that kills the conspiracy theories Rare footage shows WTC 7 consumed by fire Daily Mail Online

World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9 11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest - Popular Mechanics

NIST Manuscript Publication Search

0821.jpg

and for the pix, do you have the date/time of when it was taken, and was it a "news" pix or one taken by an agent of we the people to document the event?


Learn to run your own search.

didwtc7fallintoa tidypile initsownfootpr - wtc7lies


Remembering 9 11 With Indelible Pictures

Days of Terror A September 11 Photo Gallery

Days of Terror A September 11 Photo Gallery

9 11 Attacks Pictures Galleries - HISTORY.com

http://www.news.com.au/world/pictures-of-911-that-show-you-why-you-sho...

Unforgettable 9 11 images - Photo 1 - Pictures - CBS News

These Photos Of 9 11 First Responders Will Break Your Heart But Make You Damn Proud

9 11 Iconic images Reuters.com

http://www.ibtimes.com/911-attacks-photos-15-iconic-images-sept-11-200...

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/photos/photos-nypd-world-trade-center-9...

http://news.yahoo.com/photos/9-11-the-25-most-powerful-photos-13156113...

11 Before And After Pictures Of 9 11 That Show How New York Recovered From Its Darkest Day

9 11 attacks timeline in pictures - Chicago Tribune

http://www.911memorial.org/images-videos/galleries

9 11 Photos - Crystalinks

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Why would someone need to combine the time of separate and distinct Tower fires in order to misrepresent the burn time, making it far greater than it was?
Why would someone need to post a gif of an obviously fake plane hitting the Pentagon?

I don't suppose you could post a pic of what, other than a plane, hit the Pentagon?
While you are at it, perhaps you could post some pix of what hit the WTC on 9/11/2001?
Spammy has been foaming at the mouth that "no planes were hijacked on 9/11" and could use some help. Really.
:lmao:

So in other words, you feel the need to change the subject rather than address the issue about the burn time.

BTW: the mainstream media was the first to assert that airliners were allegedly hijacked and as yet has failed to supply proof that said airliners existed at all.

You are being childish ... again.
You seem to forget it wasn't only the media that saw the planes that day and there are even dozens of spectators who also captured the scene in pix and film. Furthermore the MS media did not "assert that airliners were allegedly hijacked" but rather reported events, some witnessed by millions, as they unfolded.
So the obvious question is: why, if your scenarios are what actually happened on 9/11, must you lie in support of them?
The following comes from a well-known 9/11 CT website which, BTW, specifically contradicts your "research." In fact, they claim your agenda "is to discredit the larger body of 9/11 research through guilt by association with sensational and unscientific approach."

Disinformation Targeting the Skeptics

"...It may consist of ideas with no basis in evidence packaged as shocking new findings that supposedly prove the involvement of insiders... An example is the idea that Twin Towers were not hit by Flights 11 or 175 but rather by completely different objects, such as military planes with missile-firing pods."

9-11 Research Misinformation
:clap::clap::clap::clap:
 
Why would someone need to combine the time of separate and distinct Tower fires in order to misrepresent the burn time, making it far greater than it was?
Why would someone need to post a gif of an obviously fake plane hitting the Pentagon?

I don't suppose you could post a pic of what, other than a plane, hit the Pentagon?
While you are at it, perhaps you could post some pix of what hit the WTC on 9/11/2001?
Spammy has been foaming at the mouth that "no planes were hijacked on 9/11" and could use some help. Really.
:lmao:

So in other words, you feel the need to change the subject rather than address the issue about the burn time.

BTW: the mainstream media was the first to assert that airliners were allegedly hijacked and as yet has failed to supply proof that said airliners existed at all.

You are being childish ... again.
You seem to forget it wasn't only the media that saw the planes that day and there are even dozens of spectators who also captured the scene in pix and film. Furthermore the MS media did not "assert that airliners were allegedly hijacked" but rather reported events, some witnessed by millions, as they unfolded.
So the obvious question is: why, if your scenarios are what actually happened on 9/11, must you lie in support of them?
The following comes from a well-known 9/11 CT website which, BTW, specifically contradicts your "research." In fact, they claim your agenda "is to discredit the larger body of 9/11 research through guilt by association with sensational and unscientific approach."

Disinformation Targeting the Skeptics

"...It may consist of ideas with no basis in evidence packaged as shocking new findings that supposedly prove the involvement of insiders... An example is the idea that Twin Towers were not hit by Flights 11 or 175 but rather by completely different objects, such as military planes with missile-firing pods."

9-11 Research Misinformation
:clap::clap::clap::clap:

and again a non-rebuttal to the discussion,
will you choose to communicate in words or?
 

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