Again... there is no such thing as "same sex marriage" just as there is no such thing as "mailbox marriage" or "heterosexual marriage" ...there is just one marriage, the union of a man and woman. You're wrong, a marriage between two people of the same sex is not the same as a marriage between a man and a woman. They are fundamentally different. Placing a modifier on the front of a term does not change the term, it qualifies it. A marriage between two men or between two women is not a heterosexual marriage it is a homosexual marriage. They already exist. You can deny their existence all you like, you can bury your head in the sand. Won't change the fact that they do in fact exist. For example, an illegal marriage would include a marriage between a man and a little girl of say 10. They could get married illegally if they want, but it would not be seen as a legal marriage by any reasonable person.
I'm NOT wrong, there is no such thing as marriage between two people of the same sex, that isn't what marriage is. Same sex partners can have a relationship, just like someone can have a relationship with an inanimate object, that's not "marriage." You continue to want to call it that, and act as if we've established this as a fact, but it's not a fact and hasn't been established.
Now, if you'd like to dismiss the argument about "marriages" and enter a discussion about civil domestic contracts, I am all for that idea. I used to be a proponent of ripping and replacing federal marriage laws with civil union language but I've come to realize that there are two separate and distinct issues at hand. These Jim Crow like laws against gays need to be stricken from the books. Additionally we need to stop abusing the civil rights of singles, and people who wish to enter into plural marriages. But these are separate issues.
I have no problem with the concept of removing government from the "marriage" business entirely and replacing that with civil union contracts. In fact, I think that is the most reasonable solution to the problem for all parties. So you're ok with blacks riding on the bus so long as they get in the back that about sum up your point? Hey we're all on the same bus why do the blacks (gays) get to complain still?
Why don't you just shut the **** up with your incendiary rhetoric? NO LAW exists in America that specifically targets gay people for discrimination. There are absolutely NO LAWS against gays. No civil right is being abused, we ALL have the same rights and criteria to enter into the same marriages as everyone else. Again, you want to pretend that we've established marriage as something that is not marriage, then claim discrimination. Same argument can apply to pedophiles, polygamists and people who **** animals.
It is appalling to me that you attempt to parallel THIS argument with that of Civil Rights for black Americans. It is extremely offensive and shows a complete lack of integrity. You are literally USING their struggle for basic human rights as some kind of fucked-in-the-head rally cry for legitimization of homosexual perversion disguised as marriage.
But you see.... the dirty little secret here is, you don't really WANT the issues resolved, then you won't be able to bash and trash conservatives anymore.
I'm much more of a conservative than you are, conservative does not mean anti-gay or anti-black or anti-any other minority group. Your religious views on morals of gays are religious views not conservative views. Just because there was a movement of religious zelots such as yourself to the republican party in the 80s, does not make your gay bashing views conservative views.
This isn't about you fighting for the rights of gays as much as it's about denigrating conservatives and traditional religious values.
I'm christian, I follow Jesus teachings. My view of some of the old religious laws like types of cloven animals and homosexual acts as being a sin against god is that they need to be revisited, just as Jesus told the people to put down their stones, I don't see laws restricting liberty of gays as anything less than legal stones being tossed about by the sanctimonious religious right.
My politics are constitutional conservative, aka. modern libertarian conservative. I'm 35years married. I'm not gay, never have been gay. I have 3 children.
This is not about whether you are conservative or Christian, or to what degree. The issue is raised by national gay/lesbian advocacy groups and has been adopted by the liberal left Christian-hating scum who have completely ruined this country. Twenty years out, this same scum will be arguing for the rights of pedophiles to molest our children. If you are not a part of this scum, you are being used as a useful idiot.
Our liberties ARE restricted by laws... ALL LAWS! That's the sole intent and purpose of laws, to restrict liberties. Sometimes it is done to protect individuals from themselves, sometimes it is to protect individuals from others, and sometimes it is to protect community values of society. There is not one single law on the books anywhere in America that targets gay people for discrimination. If that were the case, you'd have my support in having those laws removed.
As I stated, I am an advocate of civil unions, removing government from the "marriage" business altogether because it shouldn't be their business either way. Whether you are for gay marriage or for protecting traditional marriage, the GOVERNMENT should not be involved. My viewpoint actually comes from a gay couple I am close personal friends with, who do NOT support "gay marriage" or changing the definition of marriage by government. Again... comprehensive civil unions reform would completely resolve this issue for gay couples AND for those who want to preserve the sanctity of traditional marriage. It's not a "separate but equal" compromise, the same law would apply to everyone equally without regard for sexuality. In fact, it REMOVES the aspect of sexuality entirely. Why can't we do this? Because of activist fucktards like YOU who had rather have the issue itself as opposed to resolving it.
