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Why were bronze swords riveted?

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I noticed that the handles on many bronze swords were riveted, and were not monolithic with blades. What is the point of such technology?

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Perhaps decoration, perhaps it's what they knew back then. Obviously we have moved very far along with technology.
 
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Obviously we have moved very far along with technology.
By the way, we have not advanced in the technology of manufacturing edged weapons. The old steel was better, the technology of bulat steel was lost, and it cannot be recreated. Probably most of the technology from that time can be reproduced now, but it is too expensive.
 

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By the way, we have not advanced in the technology of manufacturing edged weapons. The old steel was better, the technology of bulat steel was lost, and it cannot be recreated. Probably most of the technology from that time can be reproduced now, but it is too expensive.


Technology means more than just advancing. Technology in the way of riveting is what I meant, we found better casting methods
 

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Probably so the blades could be replaced when they wore out. Blades are easy to make, handles aren't.
 

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By the way, we have not advanced in the technology of manufacturing edged weapons. The old steel was better, the technology of bulat steel was lost, and it cannot be recreated. Probably most of the technology from that time can be reproduced now, but it is too expensive.
That's not riveted, it's cast as one piece and "bedazzled".

Bulat/wootz/Damascus steel isn't lost. The pattern and exceptionally high Rockwell numbers of that type of steal was a product of the impurities in their ore. When they changed ore sources they couldn't produce it because they weren't metallurgists they were blacksmiths. It is easily reproduced today.

Even after they "lost" the damascene pattern they still produced some of the finest blades of their time because of their advanced smelting and forging techniques.
 
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Bulat/wootz/Damascus steel isn't lost. The pattern and exceptionally high Rockwell numbers of that type of steal was a product of the impurities in their ore. When they changed ore sources they couldn't produce it because they weren't metallurgists they were blacksmiths. It is easily reproduced today.
Then blacksmithing was not separated from metallurgy, where different layers were forged at different temperatures and with different compositions, from plates. This is part of the difficulty in replicating it now.

"bedazzled"
what?
 

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There is also something similar in the katana, there the handle is also separated, but there it is pressed.

It dawned on me what it was. This is to prevent the vibration from drowning the hand upon impact, most likely.
 
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I think we still do something like that.
no, the blade is more difficult to make, both then and now. it has sometimes been done for years. The blade consists of different segments of metal, on the edge it is hard and hardened, and in the center it is more raw, so that there is flexibility.
 

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blacksmithing was not separated from metallurgy, where different layers were forged at different temperatures and with different compositions, from plates. This is part of the difficulty in replicating it now
Thats how we replicate it, but that's not how it came about. The forging techniques of the day brought the impurities to the surface of the blank and the subsequent folding created the visible layers. It was incidental not intentional to begin with.

Bedazzled = decorated in modern English.
 

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This doesn't explain the reason for the rivets, but does explain something about the manner those swords were used..

 

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There is also something similar in the katana, there the handle is also separated, but there it is pressed.

It dawned on me what it was. This is to prevent the vibration from drowning the hand upon impact, most likely.
The blade on the katana is forged, not cast like the bronze sword in the OP. The handle is simply a wrap to make the sword easier to grasp and a vary minimal guard (tsuba). The blade tang (nakago) goes all the way through to the butt cap or kashira.

Japanese terms are not guaranteed to be spelled correctly, sorry.
 

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This doesn't explain the reason for the rivets, but does explain something about the manner those swords were used..

I was not aware those were actually riveted.
 
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This doesn't explain the reason for the rivets, but does explain something about the manner those swords were used..

He's wrong. This is a reliable connection, as railway bridges do, they do not use welding there precisely because it can burst.

It depends on what kind of rivets.
 
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Japanese terms are not guaranteed to be spelled correctly, sorry.
In general, a katana is a saber and not a sword, and the Japanese were not there in the days of the samurai, it was most likely the Ainu. So nevermind
 

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