Why was Moscow empire so USELESS in World War One???

[Litwin]

Because they fought a 20th-century war with Napoleonic weapons and tactics. No matter how skilled or brave you are, you are fighting with both hands tied behind your back. History doesn't repeat but it does occasionally rhyme. Sort of like putin´s empire today...

Moscow horde´s war record :-1856 defeated by Britain and France1905 defeated by Japan1917 defeated by Germany1920 defeated by Poland, Finland, Estonia and all Baltic states 1939 defeated by Finland1969 defeated by China1989 defeated by Afghanistan 1989 defeated in the Cold War. 1996 defeated by Chechnya 2022 defeated by UkraineWW2 won USA/Britain , meanwhile Stalin's officers were shot or sent to the Gulags. Millions went to the Gulags, including Solzhenitsyn Moscow's only victories come from invading smaller countries :-a) Hungary 1956b) Czechoslovakia 1968c) Moldova 1992d) Georgia 2008

 

[whitehall]

The Czar preferred to stay out of the territorial squabbling in Europe. So did Princeton professor and US president Wilson who promised he would never send America's sons to fight in a foreign war until he did.

 

[Mushroom]

Because they fought a 20th-century war with Napoleonic weapons and tactics.

This is both true, and not true.

The fact is however, at the start of the war all of the nations were using such tactics. That is not unique to Russia, because the UK, France, Austria-Hungary, Germany, they were all doing the exact same thing. However, when all sides saw the effect of machine guns on those formations, all sides quickly dropped them and reverted to trench warfare.

But they were hardly using "Napoleonic weapons". Not even close.

To start with, their main service rifle was the Mosin-Nagant 1891. Which quite obviously adopted in 1891, almost 8 decades after the Napoleonic Wars.

They were also one of the first nations to use armored cars in combat. The "First Auto-Mobile Machine Gun Company" had been formed back in 1912, and used the domestically produced Russo-Balt Type C armored car. And the unit first saw combat in late 1914.

And absolutely nobody laughed at their artillery, that was an area that Russia always prided itself in being a world leader. Most notably their M1877 mortars that came in 8 inch, 9 inch, and 11 inch calibers. Their 42 line guns were also legendary for their reliability as well as speed of production. Japan and Finland would continue to use that gun until WWII.

You really do just love to make crap up, don't you?

 

[Mushroom]

So did Princeton professor and US president Wilson who promised he would never send America's sons to fight in a foreign war until he did.

Not that he had much of a choice, once it was revealed that Germany was trying to coax another nation into invading the US. That is an act of war in itself.

 

[Litwin]

This is both true, and not true.

The fact is however, at the start of the war all of the nations were using such tactics. That is not unique to Russia, because the UK, France, Austria-Hungary, Germany, they were all doing the exact same thing. However, when all sides saw the effect of machine guns on those formations, all sides quickly dropped them and reverted to trench warfare.

But they were hardly using "Napoleonic weapons". Not even close.

To start with, their main service rifle was the Mosin-Nagant 1891. Which quite obviously adopted in 1891, almost 8 decades after the Napoleonic Wars.

They were also one of the first nations to use armored cars in combat. The "First Auto-Mobile Machine Gun Company" had been formed back in 1912, and used the domestically produced Russo-Balt Type C armored car. And the unit first saw combat in late 1914.

And absolutely nobody laughed at their artillery, that was an area that Russia always prided itself in being a world leader. Most notably their M1877 mortars that came in 8 inch, 9 inch, and 11 inch calibers. Their 42 line guns were also legendary for their reliability as well as speed of production. Japan and Finland would continue to use that gun until WWII.

You really do just love to make crap up, don't you?

why Germans have beaten Muscovite barbaric hordes of pogromists so badly in ww2 ?

 

[whitehall]

Not that he had much of a choice, once it was revealed that Germany was trying to coax another nation into invading the US. That is an act of war in itself.

It was Imperialist Germany and not Nazi Germany in WW1 and surely they had no designs on the U.S. at the time.

 

[Bezukhov]

This guy was no help

 

[Mushroom]

why Germans have beaten Muscovite barbaric hordes of pogromists so badly in ww2 ?

Funny, I seem to remember that Germany lost WWII and the Soviets were one of the winners.

What history is it exactly where Germany won WWII?

 

[Mushroom]

It was Imperialist Germany and not Nazi Germany in WW1 and surely they had no designs on the U.S. at the time.

I know exactly what it is. Here, let me repeat myself again.

Not that he had much of a choice, once it was revealed that Germany was trying to coax another nation into invading the US. That is an act of war in itself.

What, have you never heard of the Zimmermann Telegram?

On February 1 we intend to begin submarine warfare without restriction. In spite of this it is our intention to endeavour to keep the United States neutral. If this attempt is not successful, we propose an alliance on the following basis with Mexico:

That we shall make war together and together make peace; we shall give general financial support, and it is understood that Mexico is to reconquer her lost territory of New Mexico, Texas and Arizona. The details are left to you for settlement.

You are instructed to inform the President of Mexico of the above in the greatest confidence as soon as it is certain that there will be an outbreak of war with the United States, and suggest that the President of Mexico shall on his own initiative communicate with Japan suggesting the latter's adherence at once to this plan, and at the same time offer to mediate between Germany and Japan.

Please call to the attention of the President of Mexico that the employment of ruthless submarine warfare now promises to compel England to make peace in a few month. – Zimmerman.

This of course refers to the ultimatum of 18 April 1916, where the neutral US informed Germany that if it continued their unrestricted submarine warfare in the Atlantic that they would be force to join in the war on the side of the Allied Powers after the sinking of the passenger ferry SS Suffex. And in order to keep the US neutral, Germany offered the "Sussex Pledge", in that among other things it would not target passenger ships, only sink merchant vessels had been proven to have munitions on board, and that merchant ships would be given the chance to evacuate prior to being sunk.

But the telegram made it clear that not only were they about to break that pledge and resume unrestricted submarine warfare, they were trying to coax Mexico into attacking the US as a diversion to keep them out of Europe.

What, do you seriously mean to tell me that you really do not know why the US entered WWI?

 

[DudleySmith]

The Czar preferred to stay out of the territorial squabbling in Europe. So did Princeton professor and US president Wilson who promised he would never send America's sons to fight in a foreign war until he did.

And Thomas Jefferson was another 'isolationist' who found out from personal experience his fantasy didn't work in the real world, same as Wilson did. It won't work now, either.

 

[ThirdTerm]

Prince Alexei was born with hemophilia that was transmitted to the Romanovs via his grandmother, Princess Alice, who was the daughter of Queen Victoria. His parents tried treating with the methods of peasant faith healer Grigori Rasputin. They were so preoccupied with family matters that they could not handle foreign wars. Russian history could have been completely different without Alexei's hemophilia. Hemophilia is a rare disorder in which the blood doesn't clot in the typical way because it doesn't have enough blood-clotting proteins.

Hemophilia - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

 

[Litwin]

Germany lost WWII and the Soviets were one of the winners.

no, USA /Western Europe were the winners . COMMIE Moscow empire so called ussr was the worst loser ww2 .


do these stalin´s slaves look like the winners to you?

Soviet famine of 1946–1947 - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Litwin]

What history is it exactly where Germany won WWII?

we talk here about ww1, so stay on topic

 

[Litwin]

This guy was no help

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its a myth, buy any university book , short history of Muscovite empire.

 

[Litwin]

Prince Alexei was born with hemophilia that was transmitted to the Romanovs via his grandmother, Princess Alice, who was the daughter of Queen Victoria. His parents tried treating with the methods of peasant faith healer Grigori Rasputin. They were so preoccupied with family matters that they could not handle foreign wars. Russian history could have been completely different without Alexei's hemophilia. Hemophilia is a rare disorder in which the blood doesn't clot in the typical way because it doesn't have enough blood-clotting proteins.

Hemophilia - Symptoms and causes

www.mayoclinic.org

not really, ... modern technology and the international ethical environment led to the inevitable death of the Mongol-Muscovite style empire, while similar empires will no longer come back. "No more Mongol-Muscovy style empires"...

Chinese academic Deng Xize : "No more Mongol-Muscovy style empire: Thoughts on the war in Ukraine, ...such empires will no longer be tolerated."

Chinese academic Deng Xize : "No more Mongol-Muscovy style empire: Thoughts on the war in Ukraine, The global reaction to the war in Ukraine in fact shows that such empires will no longer be tolerated." The Mongol-Muscovy style empire could be defined as a dominating, rapacious empire upheld by...

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[whitehall]

France couldn't defend itself so the U.S. and England had to help. About 15 years later we had to do it all over again. Maybe we should have let the European tribes fight it out.

 

[Mushroom]

we talk here about ww1, so stay on topic

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT UP WWII, NOT ME!

I AM TALKING ABOUT WWI.

Tell me what in the hell the Zimmermann Telegram has to do with WWII?

 

[Litwin]

YOU ARE THE ONE THAT BROUGHT UP WWII, NOT ME!

No I didn´t , nevermind, back on topic . Romanov´s backward, pathetic ulus has fought only 3 big industrial wars against the western /weatherized opponents , and .... LOST THEM ALL (1856 defeated by Britain and France1905 defeated by Japan1917 defeated by Germany) , WHICH MEANS Romanov´s ulus SUCKED BIG TIME.




My favorite part was “they were afraid of being ambushed by Japanese torpedo boats… near Denmark.”
PS putin´s & neo - Romanov´s ulus SUCKS BIG TIME AS WELL

 

[Litwin]

France couldn't defend itself so the U.S. and England had to help. About 15 years later we had to do it all over again. Maybe we should have let the European tribes fight it out.

France won the WW1. ROMANOV´s ulus lost it.

My favorite part was “they were afraid of being ambushed by Japanese torpedo boats… near Denmark.”

 

[whitehall]

Why did the WW2 French navy have glass bottom ships? So they could see the WW1 French navy. Bad joke but since Ukrainian agents have no sense of humor it doesn't matter.